Do you think that if the DEMS get control of the next four years , that blackwater and haliburton will continue to recieve American Tax Dollars?

At least initially. Halburton, e.g., has such a huge infrastructure in Iraq alone--no one could just pull them out immediately without phasing in military commissaries, etc.--and that will take time. As far as the longer term, we can only hope the Democrats will start reversing things.

sadly, with the current track record of this congress, i don't hold out major hope.

Both Blackwater and Halliburton are HUGE financial contributors, not to mention strong being business partners, to the GOP. We'll see how the flow of political contributions from thise two change after Obama wins the election. My feeling is that they will continue to pump large sums of money into the GOP to help fund efforts to get Repubs back into power in congress, because government-funded business for Halliburton and, in particular, Blackwater, will be significantly less over the next 4+ years.

It's up to the people of North Carolina (where Blackwater is incorporated) to use their state law to revoke that incorporation, seize Blackwater's assets, and divert their military equipment for government use, while auctioning off all their other assets (buildings, land, office equipment, etc.) and taking those profits to fund school, roads, etc.

As for Halliburton, I think they've already moved their incorporation to Dubai, so as far as I'm concerned, they aren't an American company anymore, and the Congress should simply cancel any contracts they have with them, transfer all their tasks to humanitarian NGO's and the Military, and politely tell Halliburton to go fuck itself.

You don't like what these companies are doing? THEN END THEM.

Companies are allowed inroporation only by permission of the People. If they violate human rights or international law, their incorporation within the United States can be ENDED.

KILL THE COMPANY.

Before they kill you.

I agree. While nothing would please me quite as much to see these war profiteers get their walking papers, I think that it is unrealistic to think that they can be removed in a fast fashion. They have their dirty stubby fingers in all kinds of areas which will take time to pinch off.

The Democratic Party needs to have a revolution like the GOP had when the neocons and cultural RWers took it over. A revolution that is anti-Free-Market, pro-Fair-Market. Something that would not be set up to use Shock and Awe as a business tool.

No, we don't need Haliburton or Blackwater. I'm an old soldier retired and can remember when our unit did everything to sustain us in the field or battlefield. Everything that these two blood sucking contractors are doing we the military unit can do for ourselves and save boku money. This no bid contract crap is just a way to siphon our tax dollars into the pockets of this administrations cronies. (you're doing a heck of a job Brownie) they don't care about our troops, if they did they would pay them the same that they are paying the contractors for doing the job that our troops should be doing. Instead they are providing shabby service, and the big wigs like Dickie Chaney are making the big bucks or should I say stealing the big bucks.

Unfortunately, 5by5, no one is going to listen to your Truth. What we really need to do is SCRAP every law currently on the books regarding corporations in the U.S.- suspend their activities as much as possible without actually causing harm to REAL LIVE BREATHING HUMAN BEINGS, and recreate a framework that is ideal for allowing the co-existence of corporations (they actually DO serve a good purpose when not destroying a functioning market) without any room whatsoever for the permeation, infiltration or presence of sociopaths on, near, or within their workings. A National Board of Ethics sounds like a good start - and yes, you CAN HAVE ethical behavior without primitive religiosity invading the environs.

Then again, I may be totally "over the rainbow" in this schema.

Kyoti

Wait a minute Kyotirose, what we need to do don't have anything to do with scrapping laws for corporations, we need to let our military do their job without any attached civilian body, doing what our troops can do for themselves. Just tell them to get the hell out of the way the military can handle it, they did for many years before Haliburton was ever heard of.

Absolutely Agree 150%
private armies ocupying soveriegn American land endangers us all

Nope.....the problem is US Corporations have MORE rights that the living, breathing citizens that make their existence possible. You will find, if you look hard enough, that Halliburton, Blackwater, Brown & Root, etc. have their own private armies of security forces sworn to uphold the corporation charter waaaaaaaaaaay before giving a nod to the national sovereignty where the headquarters may sit.

You want to restore this country to it's original destiny? DITCH the undead behemoths of unbridled greed - kill them - destroy them - dismantle them - an army cannot exist where their is no supply line of money, support or command. Put another way - you can't kill all the mice by putting peanut butter on the cat. Put a sterilizing agent in the peanut butter and your mouse problem will solve itself.

Kyoti

You may have a point but I still say get them out of our military now and then you can deal with dismantling them later.

We would need to use our National Guard and military to put blockades on every Halliburton site at the same time, and demand their surrender.

They want to play military? Fine. Shell them with artillery until they are carried out in handcuffs or body bags. We are the united states, and we have our own military. They are not legal, not wanted, and not authorized to be here. There is a difference between a a constitutionally legal militia and mercenaries.

Now that they are expanding into intelligence work, they are also guilty of espionage.

Funny thing is, I know that Halliburton employs US Citizens, but technically they've lost their rights as Citizens as per Bush's Military Commissions Act. Reap what you sew and all that.

We don't have to go so far as using violence on them (unless they resist the fair exercise of the law).

The fact of the matter is that ANY corporation is only allowed to EXIST as a temporarily incorporated entity with the permission of the people.

If they then violate international law, or commit human rights violations, or poison the environment, the people of whatever state they are incorporated in have the right to revoke that incorporation, seize their assets, and auction them off.

This was done in California when the National Lawyers Guild filed suit against Unocal for their use of slave labor to build their pipeline in Burma/Myanmar, and over its 82 toxic waste sites throughout the world. It was also used by the New York Attorney General to revoke the incorporation of two of these astroturf tobacco "research" firms set up by the tobacco industry to create doubt as to the scientific truth about the health consequences of smoking. And it was used again in California by California Attorney General Evelle Younger against a private water company which had distributed tainted water to customers. That company's assets were auctioned off to a public water district.

It doesn't get used NEARLY enough in my personal opinion.

If you've ever wondered why Republicans always seem to have their panties in such a bunch over "personal injury lawyers" like John Edwards, it's because the other name for that type of law practice is "tort law".

They aren't just whining about frivolous lawsuits. They could give a crap about how hot McDonald's coffee is. They have MUCH bigger goals. Namely they hope to gut the public's ability to take large scale corporations to court when those corporations commit the most obscene of crimes against actual PEOPLE.

It's because there is a principle of tort law that that companies can be held responsible for the actions of their business partners. So when the subsidiary of one of these big transnationals is literally trying to get away with murder, the parent company can be slammed for it.

So for instance, when Blackwater's subsidiary "Presidential Airways" participates in these torture flights for extraordinary rendition in violation of the Geneva Conventions, the parent company is then responsible. The same would apply to when their contractors murder civilians in Iraq. Blackwater Wordwide is therefore responsible, and it's incorporation can be revoked for those criminal activities.

Similarly, when a subsidiary of Cheney's Halliburton sells nuclear centrifuges to the Iranians in violation of current U.S. sanctions, the parent company can be held responsible and their incorporation within the U.S. revoked. Which is why Dick is so hot to get the company moved overseas to Dubai, where those immoral pricks could give a shit what slimy things Cheney does.

They'll do something... I think right now they're just being... how can this in a non-derogatory manner... "kittens"? They keep taking actions (or really not taking action) based on what they think the perception might be, and how it will effect their chances at the White House. Once they have the White House, no more excuses... they know their constituents are already unhappy.