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LibLaw
I dislike conservatives because they are the crux of our problems. They have kept this great country from achieving our potential and they deal in fear to attain power. They play on weakness and they extort our fears. They have held this country back and brought us to the brink of destruction and then they want to hide behind the flag and call our patriotism to question when it is their love of this country that should be criticized.


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Ask a conservative what the biggest problem in America is today, and you’ll get answers like overtaxation, a sexualized culture, lack of respect for authority, insufficient church-going or big government running amok. But if you then asked the conservative what the real source of the problem was—the beating heart pumping blood to each and all of these socio-politico-cultural wounds—you’d get the same answer: liberalism.

On the other hand, you could ask a liberal a hundred questions about the problems facing our country before you’d get to an answer that placed conservatism at the heart of the nation’s ills.

And conservatives learn these messages when still young. What does a “campus liberal” do? Well, it depends what his or her issue is: fighting sweatshop labor, or environmental degradation, or the Iraq war, or any of a dozen other problems about which liberals are concerned. What, on the other hand, does a “campus conservative” do? Fight liberals and liberalism.


http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/07/1...tism_stupid.php
5by5
I agree with #2 and #3.


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2. Conservatism is the ideology of the past—a past we don’t want to return to.
3. Conservatives are cowards, and they hope you are, too.

But #1 is incorrect.

Conservatism has succeeded beyond it's wildest dreams. This horrible wreckage America experiencing is precisely what Conservatism WANTED to achieve.

Conservatism is diametrically opposed to American Democracy, which at it's core is a Liberal philosophy.


This disaster area is merely the fruition of Conservative ideas.

THAT is the message we need to get across.

You want to see the end of America, and the obliteration all your rights & freedoms?

Vote Conservative.

But if you happen to love this country as I do, then you better get off your ass and start putting Liberals behind the wheel of this country, instead of drunken fratboy cheerleaders on a Bacardi & Blow bender.
gutterballz
at every critical point in our history, conservatives have been on the side of maintaining the status quo

from slavery, to woman's sufferage, to segragation, gay rights etc. they've always been on the side of continuing the "improper practice"
LibLaw
Conservatives view HOPE as one of those four letter (liberal) words.

The only thing they HOPE is that people don't wise up to what they are doing.
gutterballz
QUOTE (LibLaw @ Sep 21 2008, 03:49 PM) *
Conservatives view HOPE as one of those four letter (liberal) words.

The only thing they HOPE is that people don't wise up to what they are doing.


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LibLaw
I really love number 3

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3. Conservatives are cowards, and they hope you are, too. We’re afraid, they shout. We’re so afraid of terrorists, we have to become more like the things we hate. We’re so afraid, we have to let our government sanction torture. We’re so afraid, we have to let the government spy on us. We’re so afraid, we have to give the president dictatorial powers. We’re so afraid, we just want to rush to the arms of politicians who say they’ll protect us.

Progressives need to frame their rejection of the fear campaign as an act of courage: Al-Qaida does not scare us, and we will not dismantle our democratic system because we are afraid. The America we love does not cower in fear, as the conservatives want it to.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (LibLaw @ Sep 21 2008, 01:53 PM) *
I really love number 3

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Progressives need to frame their rejection of the fear campaign as an act of courage: Al-Qaida does not scare us, and we will not dismantle our democratic system because we are afraid. The America we love does not cower in fear, as the conservatives want it to.


Exactly!

This is why I am anti-CT and anti-fatalism. Quit being afraid of Karl Rove, quit being afraid of Sarah Palin, quit being afraid of stupid viral emails sent by ignorant friends and relatives.

We are NOT going back in the closet, we are NOT going back to 1952, we are NOT doing any of that. The people who came before us didn't get shot, maimed, lynched and killed for us to fall down on the job.

F'em.
pestone
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This is why I am anti-CT and anti-fatalism. Quit being afraid of Karl Rove, quit being afraid of Sarah Palin, quit being afraid of stupid viral emails sent by ignorant friends and relatives.

We are NOT going back in the closet, we are NOT going back to 1952, we are NOT doing any of that. The people who came before us didn't get shot, maimed, lynched and killed for us to fall down on the job.

F'em.

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Right to the heart of it, Carmen. Because "conservative" is an incorrect term for this current gang in power. "Reactionary" is much more appropriate. And their Way-Back Machine is set to 1852.
Seeker1
Conservativism was born out of fear and reaction to the Enlightenment by Tories like Edmund Burke.

Burke, the father of conservativism, rejected a society governed by reason and humanism, preferring to remain in the safety of traditional authorities like the hierarchical church, the patriarchal family, and the authoritarian government.

This is why I don't bother differentiating between neocons or paleocons. Both ideologies are born out of the same fears, the same resentments, and the same refusal to move forward.


5by5
QUOTE (pestone @ Sep 22 2008, 02:08 AM) *
Their Way-Back Machine is set to 1852.

Actually, it's more like 1152.

A time pre-science, where faith ruled the day over even common sense, power was absolute, women had less than zero rights, disease went unchecked, child labor was the norm, torture was commonplace, and ignorance was rampant.

The Dark Ages. That's what they want to go back to. Not merely pre-Enlightenment. Pre-Renaissance.
LibLaw
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Sep 22 2008, 03:25 AM) *
Exactly!

This is why I am anti-CT and anti-fatalism. Quit being afraid of Karl Rove, quit being afraid of Sarah Palin, quit being afraid of stupid viral emails sent by ignorant friends and relatives.

We are NOT going back in the closet, we are NOT going back to 1952, we are NOT doing any of that. The people who came before us didn't get shot, maimed, lynched and killed for us to fall down on the job.

F'em.

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Tyo
Are the Conservative masterminds and opinion-makers and strategists REALLY afraid of The Terror or are they simply trying to instill fear in the sheep as part of their program? I can't believe that Rove and Cheney and Limbaugh and Hannity and the rest of them see fear as anything other than a tool to control the masses.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Tyo @ Sep 22 2008, 08:50 AM) *
Are the Conservative masterminds and opinion-makers and strategists REALLY afraid of The Terror or are they simply trying to instill fear in the sheep as part of their program? I can't believe that Rove and Cheney and Limbaugh and Hannity and the rest of them see fear as anything other than a tool to control the masses.


They are afraid of us.

That is why I am not afraid of them.
GCurry
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Sep 22 2008, 08:51 AM) *
They are afraid of us.

That is why I am not afraid of them.

That's right. The smaller the numbers of the "elite" get, the more danger they are in. Now the statistic is that 1.5% control 98% of the wealth in this country. 70 to 1?

They have usurped to machinery of government to reset policy for them, for Wall Street. Most Americans are in a daze thinking it still really works for them. It did once, sort of.

Main Street needs organized leadership. We take a big risk thinking that the way to accomplish that is to recapture government and reorient policy setting. That might not be successful enough, or even at all. So far I see no signs, except promising words from Obama. Obvious lies from McCain.

If that doesn't work, that doesn't necessarily mean all is lost. It does mean that Main Street must organize economically, and take power, even if not via government.
LibLaw
I wrote this a long time ago in another identity but I believe it is still relevant. It was just off the top of my head and not the best writing but I think you'll get what I was trying to convey.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Acebass/1
Llydis
I know people who enjoy the idea of Unions, like the idea of freedom of religion among other liberal ideas who consider themselves conservatives and think "liberal" is a dirty word.

There is something out there polluting the discussion. If anyone can pinpoint the exact nature of this pollution, then that would be the key to actually fixing the debate. The problem is everyone has their own idea of what might be causing it, but it's mostly broad based theory.

I really do not have an idea of what it is.
LibLaw
QUOTE (Llydis @ Sep 22 2008, 12:47 PM) *
I know people who enjoy the idea of Unions, like the idea of freedom of religion among other liberal ideas who consider themselves conservatives and think "liberal" is a dirty word.

There is something out there polluting the discussion. If anyone can pinpoint the exact nature of this pollution, then that would be the key to actually fixing the debate. The problem is everyone has their own idea of what might be causing it, but it's mostly broad based theory.

I really do not have an idea of what it is.

It's called labeling. Conservatives do it so well. They devise a label for something they want to vilify and they assign certain criteria to it. It makes it simple and in that way they don't have to debate the problem they can just assign a label to it and thus marginalize it.
Take the term liberal, as soon as they attach that label to you then no matter what you say it's not important or relevant because, well, your a liberal. It blocks the idea of any reasonable discussion. The old divide and conquer theory.
Llydis
Yet, there's a certain framing around the word. Labeling is what goes out into the masses. But, the fram around the word is how the conservatives make the label.

I think the result of the frame is far more subconscious than the actual label. It's hard to tap into the subconscious discussion people have between them and the boxes they watch and the things they read on the Internet. Especially with how the right wing and the rich have subverted free speech.
TapDuncan
My take--Most people do not have a clue when it comes to defining Liberal and Conservative, and that was the plan all along. If the real definition of Conservative is to conserve, well now that's a Liberal thing, if to spread things out Liberally, like say a budget, well now that's a Conservative thing too. If being a Conservative is less laws, well they again spread them out Liberally, and blame it on Liberals.. We are the party of common sense. You don't bother me, I won't bother you. If you do something that bothers a lot of people, like say pollution, we will pass laws to prevent you from doing it. They don't like laws, so they blame us for our "Bleeding Hearts", but in reality we are simply trying to protect the masses, and they don't care about the masses, only themselves. ANd most people don't get that.
gutterballz
QUOTE (LibLaw @ Sep 22 2008, 12:05 PM) *
I wrote this a long time ago in another identity but I believe it is still relevant. It was just off the top of my head and not the best writing but I think you'll get what I was trying to convey.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Acebass/1


that was pretty good thumbsup.gif
RandiLover
QUOTE (5by5 @ Sep 22 2008, 05:53 AM) *
Actually, it's more like 1152.

A time pre-science, where faith ruled the day over even common sense, power was absolute, women had less than zero rights, disease went unchecked, child labor was the norm, torture was commonplace, and ignorance was rampant.

The Dark Ages. That's what they want to go back to. Not merely pre-Enlightenment. Pre-Renaissance.


Way to go 5 thumbsup.gif Let's get the religion out of politics. It was allowed into our society nothing more. This is a shell game of deception. The repugs can tell you what you want to hear, making a used car salesman blush. If the repugs were truly Christians, I would be an atheist. Say no to Dark Ages revisited. Cardinal Baloney allowed all of that nasty little boy stuff, but now proclaims through our government political power to gain parishioners through the illegals. Our laws are there for a purpose, and now our society unravels. Obama does have the answers, he has told them to us out loud. I have heard you Obama. Bring back the rule of law.
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