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5by5
Shock and Awe, Baby..... Shock & Awe.....


Randi nails it again.
5by5
The system's "clogging up."

Get some Liquid Plumber and flush those Republicans out of your pipes!
5by5
This is the final attack of the FED banker class. This is the long predicted result of 200 years of planning to destroy this country's democracy.
adamquestor
I'm sorry, but I DO have to snicker a little bit. History show us what will happen based on the response seen in past banana republics.

I believe that any force used against the American People will result in a very quick end to the current regime in Washington.

The very day that any sort of "martial law" is invoked, and these "forces" actually use any kind of deadly force at all, 5 -10 of the largest American cities will go up in flames. The military will be forced, as in any other banana republic, to stage a coup in order to maintain order. It would be to our benefit to make sure that the military is on our side and willing to relinquish government back to the people once order is restored.
Gwynogsrabbit
We have hope that the military would be on our side, after they have made public their mass disapproval of Bush as commander in chief. But we couldn't be sure of it.
TapDuncan
These people have been wetting the bed for generations about destroying the country and rebuilding it the way they want it. Hence the Federalist Society, they were never happy with compromise, it was my way or the highway way back then, and they never gave up. Hell so much for our grand experiment. I guess we should stop trying to spread this virus now.
adamquestor
QUOTE (Gwynogsrabbit @ Sep 22 2008, 02:09 PM) *
We have hope that the military would be on our side, after they have made public their mass disapproval of Bush as commander in chief. But we couldn't be sure of it.


Yes - we have to have faith that the military is on our side. Face it, we live in a typical banana republic and it's only a matter of time until there is a military coup. In a few cases, historically, the military has been on the side of the people rather than the military-industrial complex.
5by5
I think the #1 Christmas gift this year should be a DVD copy of "The Money Masters", and "The Corporation":

http://www.themoneymasters.com/
http://www.thecorporation.com/

Actually, don't wait that long.

Make it a Halloween gift.

Trick or Treat...?
Dan-From-LA
"In chaos they can steal..."

Randi Rhodes
Gwynogsrabbit
Well if martial law IS declared, and the military in general refused to cooperate, then we'd know. They would probably act first.
adamquestor
QUOTE (Gwynogsrabbit @ Sep 22 2008, 02:32 PM) *
Well if martial law IS declared, and the military in general refused to cooperate, then we'd know. They would probably act first.



Yeah, that's kind of what I am thinking. The military HAS to know that they are going to be sent into a civil unrest inferno like no other. Better they stage a coup than face losing 100 American cities and the inevitable unconditional surrender to god-knows-what-kind-of-power manages to survive and dominate the American landscape after the unrest settles. The military has to know that they would proactively defuse a complete civil war meltdown if they act to overthrow the current regime. Time will tell.
TapDuncan
Boy I better stock up on ammo, I mean it. I will not go down quietly, no fucking way, after all the USMC spent a lot of money on training me for combat, I wouldn't want it to go to waste, wouldn't be prudent, pun intended.
applewood
Who are these people that think we should bend over and take this rescue!
Who is it that keeps RAPING the economy every time they get into office?
Who is it that keeps presenting UGLY policies that offend decent people?
Who is it that keeps CONNING the public?
Why it’s the
RAPE-UGLY-CONS
again.
But I could be pronouncing that wrong.
Nah!
Gwynogsrabbit
QUOTE (TapDuncan @ Sep 22 2008, 03:38 PM) *
Boy I better stock up on ammo, I mean it. I will not go down quietly, no fucking way, after all the USMC spent a lot of money on training me for combat, I wouldn't want it to go to waste, wouldn't be prudent, pun intended.

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The nice part is that the National Guard would have to be shooting their neighbors or families, and they probably wouldn't want to. Unless of course the martial-government switched around the different Guards. Or Blackwater. The people in Blackwater seem to have blood in their eye anyway. But with the actual national miliotary against the bastards, I don't know how they could carry on.
RandiLover
QUOTE (TapDuncan @ Sep 22 2008, 12:38 PM) *
Boy I better stock up on ammo, I mean it. I will not go down quietly, no fucking way, after all the USMC spent a lot of money on training me for combat, I wouldn't want it to go to waste, wouldn't be prudent, pun intended.



Tap, did you see the veteran flying his protest against McSame while he gave his acceptance speech? He was arrested, but the guys arresting him were vets also. They let him go, they understood, there are more of us than them. He gave his story in complete from beginning to end. It was awesome. The guy was upheld as a patriot.
Gwynogsrabbit
QUOTE (RandiLover @ Sep 22 2008, 03:45 PM) *
Tap, did you see the veteran flying his protest against McSame while he gave his acceptance speech? He was arrested, but the guys arresting him were vets also. They let him go, they understood, there are more of us than them. He gave his story in complete from beginning to end. It was awesome. The guy was upheld as a patriot.

biggrin.gif That is amazing!!!!!!! laugh.gif
TapDuncan
Randilover---Yeah that was great, they were like we get you man, now get out of here, but first let us make sure you get out in one piece. We have Bongwater here in Ill, not far from me, www.rockrivertimes.com/ blackwater will take you there. I'm not-a-scared, take a deep breath, relax, aim, stop squeeze. BRASS, works every time.
saveyourself
What are we going to bring our troops home to? No housing, no jobs, utter chaos, a bankrupt government. Would you defend that?
Blackwater and the other killers for hire would be in charge of the streets.

It all makes sense now. Why they have set their draconian laws into place. Wiretapping, spying, torture. That wasn't meant to catch terrorists. Those laws were laid down to prevent us from having the largest revolt in history. They knew the financial centers were going to crash, and they knew that the people would be pissed when they bailed them out.

King George wanted to make sure he took the crown jewels with him prior to exiting stage left. Now they can argue to privatize the entire government.

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Sasha85
QUOTE (Gwynogsrabbit @ Sep 22 2008, 09:09 AM) *
We have hope that the military would be on our side, after they have made public their mass disapproval of Bush as commander in chief. But we couldn't be sure of it.



I wonder if the military will be on our side should this happen. Remember, Bush and his cronies won't be out of there until Jan. You think Bush is going to have the military on our side after all that's happened. And God help us if McCain wins then we will not only have another 4 years of the same but 4 years of Martial Law?
applewood
Don't call them Fascist or Socialist. Thats an insult to Fascists and Socialists.
TapDuncan
Saveyourself--First welcome to the board of sanity. Secondly, you are spot on, this is what we will bring our troops home to. Got a wound, well, we'll decide if it is war related. You say it was, well, we'll decide. Need a place to live? Sorry, the VA is closed because it's broke. Want to go to school? Sorry, we lost your GI Bill paper work. All of this saves private cor-cor-corprations money, deny deny deny. We are so fucked, blame the repigs.
5by5
QUOTE (saveyourself @ Sep 22 2008, 12:55 PM) *
King George wanted to make sure he took the crown jewels with him prior to exiting stage left. Now they can argue to privatize the entire government. angry.gif

We already kicked one King George's ass. We can kick a second one's.....
Gwynogsrabbit
QUOTE (applewood @ Sep 22 2008, 03:59 PM) *
Don't call them Fascist or Socialist. Thats an insult to Fascists and Socialists.

Well it IS an insult to socialists, since they are just using fascist methods to enforce a socialist bailout. I guess a fascist government can use any political tool they want.
Yellowbird
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

The Northern Command (invented in 2002 by Dick Cheney) is fielding troops on a rotating permanent basis across our nation WITHIN OUR BORDERS as an occupying force beginning October 1st, 2008.

If we don't get our lawmakers to stop this we will be under permanent Martial Law.

I think they planned this as a back up plan to quell our unrest at the theft of our nation by these guys. They want this "bailout" to pass before THIS STORY HITS THE AIR.

GET IT OUT FAST WILL YOU ALL?


http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
Yellowbird
Another aspect of the Military Take Over: From Crooks and Liars: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/22/g...-credit-crunch/

“The defense industry is perhaps among the least impacted by the events of the last week,” said Jon Kutler, founder and CEO of Admiralty Partners, a Los Angeles-based aerospace and defense investment firm. “Defense companies are frankly a tremendous safe haven during the disruptions.”

… the robust cash flow of most defense companies means that even if one bank providing credit to defense companies disappears, others will be more than happy to step up.

“Most defense companies are flush with cash,” Kutler said. “Right now, they’re very healthy, so they don’t need debt unless they’re making an acquisition.”

Moreover, “the borrowing base for defense contractors is substantially better than for their commercial counterparts,” he said. “In today’s marketplace, while banks are not lending, they are substantially more likely to lend to a defense contractor than they are to many commercial companies.”

How about we tap them for a windfall tax to help pay for the bailout then? After all, they got this cash-rich from taxpayer’s money. It would be patriotic to give some back in the country’s hour of need.
Sasha85
Why isn't anyone mentioning the obvious. It isn't just the mortgages and housing bust that got us in all this mess. But also Bush's senseless war in Iarq which is costing the American taxpayers some 12 billion dollars a month.
saveyourself
From that army times article

QUOTE
In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.


Civil Unrest? Apparently they are preparing ahead of time. This is scary stuff.
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DonShafer
Can you imagine what it would be like now, if the Bush Misadministration would have succeeded in privatizing Social Security?
Tell me that we aren't already in a class war.
TapDuncan
Yellowbird, they will be in for one helluva fight around here, not to mention in Appaachia, think Deliverance on pissed off hill-billy steroids. They think they're gonna tell the people in the deep south what's what? Get a grip, they will make Ned Beatty look like Pee Wee Herman. Then we get the south back after a generation. Or two or three.
5by5
Don't forget the camps they've set up under the guise of preparing for an "immigration emergency"...

Randys
QUOTE (5by5 @ Sep 22 2008, 01:14 PM) *
Don't forget the camps they've set up under the guise of preparing for an "immigration emergency"...


you have a link about those camps?
Yellowbird
QUOTE (5by5 @ Sep 22 2008, 12:24 PM) *
I think the #1 Christmas gift this year should be a DVD copy of "The Money Masters", and "The Corporation":

http://www.themoneymasters.com/
http://www.thecorporation.com/

Actually, don't wait that long.

Make it a Halloween gift.

Trick or Treat...?


Add "Rogue Trader" to that list!!!!

Sen. Barrack Obama. "Given the breach of trust we have seen and the magnitude of the taxpayer money involved, there can be no blank check."
Randys
QUOTE (5by5 @ Sep 22 2008, 01:14 PM) *
Don't forget the camps they've set up under the guise of preparing for an "immigration emergency"...


you have a link about those camps?
applewood
QUOTE (Yellowbird @ Sep 22 2008, 04:08 PM) *
Another aspect of the Military Take Over: From Crooks and Liars: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/22/g...-credit-crunch/

�The defense industry is perhaps among the least impacted by the events of the last week,� said Jon Kutler, founder and CEO of Admiralty Partners, a Los Angeles-based aerospace and defense investment firm. �Defense companies are frankly a tremendous safe haven during the disruptions.�

� the robust cash flow of most defense companies means that even if one bank providing credit to defense companies disappears, others will be more than happy to step up.

�Most defense companies are flush with cash,� Kutler said. �Right now, they�re very healthy, so they don�t need debt unless they�re making an acquisition.�

Moreover, �the borrowing base for defense contractors is substantially better than for their commercial counterparts,� he said. �In today�s marketplace, while banks are not lending, they are substantially more likely to lend to a defense contractor than they are to many commercial companies.�

How about we tap them for a windfall tax to help pay for the bailout then? After all, they got this cash-rich from taxpayer�s money. It would be patriotic to give some back in the country�s hour of need.




Where are these companies going to go when Uncle Sam's pockets are empty and can't borrow anymore? When we can't give aid to 3rd world countries to turn around and buy there guns? An America that still has money to spend is what might motivate the military to save our/thier asses. We go down, they go down, we all go down together.
Food suppliers will be sitting pretty not defence contractors.
Yellowbird
QUOTE (Randys @ Sep 22 2008, 01:15 PM) *
you have a link about those camps?


How about a quick one minute look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw3jRhf7PbA

Then you can try Google for "Homeland Security Camps"

Everyone should know about this by now. It's as big on the web as the 911 "conspiracy".
Gwynogsrabbit
QUOTE (Randys @ Sep 22 2008, 04:16 PM) *
you have a link about those camps?

Here's one, Randys:

Civilian Inmate Labor Program

I might have this mixed up with the one for immigrants - I'll keep checking my bookmarks.
5by5
And don't forget this little tidbit:




Rex 84 Program (short for Readiness Exercise 1984)

Civil Disturbance Plan 55 Operation Garden Plot & Operation Cable Splicer are sub-programs of the larger black ops project.

Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer (gotta love the lame code names) is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. The largest camp is near Fairbanks Alaska, and can hold 2 million people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ


And then there's this.....

Executive Orders

10990
Allows the government to take control over all modes of transportation, highways, and seaports.

10995
Allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

10997
Allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.

10998
Allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

11000
Allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

11001
Allows the government to take over all health, education, and welfare functions.

11002
Designates the Postmaster General to operate national registration of all persons.

11003
Allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

11004
Allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

11005
Allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.

11051
Specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

11310
Grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

11049
Assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period

11921
Allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and flow of money in the U.S.A. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.


And more from Naomi Klein:

http://www.truthout.org/article/the-shock-doctrine
Yellowbird
QUOTE (saveyourself @ Sep 22 2008, 01:11 PM) *
From that army times article



Civil Unrest? Apparently they are preparing ahead of time. This is scary stuff.
huh.gif


My point exactly. Let's get this story out far and wide and fast okay?


Sen. Barrack Obama. "Given the breach of trust we have seen and the magnitude of the taxpayer money involved, there can be no blank check."
Starbuck
QUOTE (adamquestor @ Sep 22 2008, 03:17 PM) *
Yes - we have to have faith that the military is on our side. Face it, we live in a typical banana republic and it's only a matter of time until there is a military coup. In a few cases, historically, the military has been on the side of the people rather than the military-industrial complex.


I wish I could have faith the military would be on our side, but Bush has driven out professionals and replaced them with fundies, like the rest of the government.
5by5
QUOTE (Randys @ Sep 22 2008, 01:16 PM) *
you have a link about those camps?

Here's another one for ya.

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories...ters-in-the-us/

QUOTE
Halliburton’s subsidiary KBR (formerly Kellogg, Brown and Root) announced on January 24, 2006 that it had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps in the United States.
CowboySteve
QUOTE (adamquestor @ Sep 22 2008, 01:06 PM) *
....The very day that any sort of "martial law" is invoked, and these "forces" actually use any kind of deadly force at all, 5 -10 of the largest American cities will go up in flames. The military will be forced, as in any other banana republic, to stage a coup in order to maintain order. It would be to our benefit to make sure that the military is on our side and willing to relinquish government back to the people once order is restored.....


Martial Law is Military Law. The Soviet Union fell when the Soviet Army ceased to support the civilian bureaucracy. A "coup" would be a separate matter. Also, it would be nice to think that the US Armed Services support America, but I don't know.
Gwynogsrabbit
QUOTE (Sasha85 @ Sep 22 2008, 04:09 PM) *
Why isn't anyone mentioning the obvious. It isn't just the mortgages and housing bust that got us in all this mess. But also Bush's senseless war in Iarq which is costing the American taxpayers some 12 billion dollars a month.

This isn't about mortgages, housing, or the debt from the Iraq War. It's about "Trickle-Down Economics", Reagonomics to make it sound friendly, the entire system was set up for this to happen. Greed just blinded people, for the past quarter of a century.
5by5
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories...ters-in-the-us/

Randi: "You're paying for your own rape kit."
Gwynogsrabbit
Here's the immigrant camp plan

Endgame
5by5
Vincenzo Vinciguerra (Member of the NeoFascist Group "Ordine Nuovo" - "New Order" , a part of the Gladio Op):

"When you were on the Right, you were not supposed to attack the State or it's representatives. You were supposed to only attack civilians, women, children... innocent people outside the political arena. For one simple reason: To force the public to turn to the regime and ask for greater security... It's called the 'Strategy of Tension' insofar as they had to get people to accept that at any moment, a State Emergency could be declared. So the people would willingly trade part of their freedom for the security of being able to walk the streets, go on trains, or enter a bank. This was the political logic behind all bombings. They remain unpunished, because the State cannot condemn itself."
Gwynogsrabbit
QUOTE (5by5 @ Sep 22 2008, 04:48 PM) *
Vincenzo Vinciguerra (Member of the NeoFascist Group "Ordine Nuovo" - "New Order" , a part of the Gladio Op):

"When you were on the Right, you were not supposed to attack the State or it's representatives. You were supposed to only attack civilians, women, children... innocent people outside the political arena. For one simple reason: To force the public to turn to the regime and ask for greater security... It's called the 'Strategy of Tension' insofar as they had to get people to accept that at any moment, a State Emergency could be declared. So the people would willingly trade part of their freedom for the security of being able to walk the streets, go on trains, or enter a bank. This was the political logic behind all bombings. They remain unpunished, because the State cannot condemn itself."

Yikes, 5X5

How many times this past week have people said "yikes"???
Yellowbird
QUOTE (5by5 @ Sep 22 2008, 01:38 PM) *


You have GOT to love this part:

Parry notes that The Washington Post reported on February 15, 2006 that the National Counterterrorism Center’s (NCTC) central repository holds the names of 325,000 terrorist suspects, a fourfold increase since fall of 2003.

Asked whether the names in the repository were collected through the NSA’s domestic surveillance program, an NCTC official told the Post, “Our database includes names of known and suspected international terrorists provided by all intelligence community organizations, including NSA.”

Gwynogsrabbit
QUOTE (Yellowbird @ Sep 22 2008, 05:10 PM) *
You have GOT to love this part:

Parry notes that The Washington Post reported on February 15, 2006 that the National Counterterrorism Center�s (NCTC) central repository holds the names of 325,000 terrorist suspects, a fourfold increase since fall of 2003.

Asked whether the names in the repository were collected through the NSA�s domestic surveillance program, an NCTC official told the Post, �Our database includes names of known and suspected international terrorists provided by all intelligence community organizations, including NSA.�

So I guess they think 1 out of 7 of is a terrorist? Including the babies? dry.gif
5by5
Yeah, this is an old article. That number on that stupid list is actually known to be higher than 800,000 now.

PS. Gold went up $40 today.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080922/ap_on_..._re/wall_street
Yellowbird
For better or worse, I point you to Dodd's plan. One I have not read yet: Time being the essence I post it:

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM41_ayo08b28.html
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