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Gwynogsrabbit
I have tried to find some kind of protest being organized in Washington - we need the kind of protest that isn't just a rally, but the kind that is LOUD and scares the pants off of Congress, so that they know they answer to us - stop this economic takeover AND get us into a stable common-sense economic system.

If it isn't being organized, we can start it, or join in wehen we do find it.

It needs to be at the steps of Congress.
5by5
It should march past Congress and the Hart Senate Office Building and end up at the White House.

Surround that little biatch. 3-4 million people at least screaming at the top of their lungs so loud the ground literally shakes.

Then have another protest at the FED.
Gwynogsrabbit
Yeah - we need to do something that does NOT say, "This is what we really want" It needs to say "You assholes better get your shit together right now and take back our country or all hell is breaking loose. This is your warning".
5by5
I think we should dispense with prior tactics and break out with the torches and pitchforks.

Literally.



Not proposing we hurt anyone with them, I just want to see that image.

No silly puppets, or stupid anarchists, or banners, or funny signs.

Just torches and pitchforks. People marching calmly with torches and pitchforks chanting over and over "I do NOT consent!!!"

I want it to look like a scene out of Frankenstein.
Dan-From-LA
Wouldn't it make more sense to take all that money that people would spend on traveling to a protest and contribute to the Obama campaign instead????
Gwynogsrabbit
QUOTE (Dan-From-LA @ Sep 22 2008, 03:43 PM) *
Wouldn't it make more sense to take all that money that people would spend on traveling to a protest and contribute to the Obama campaign instead????

No, what kind of money would that amount to for the campaign, in terms of dire need and what it could be used for, compared to an in-your-face direct action?
5by5
Or maybe just Young Frankenstein. biggrin.gif
DonShafer
QUOTE (Dan-From-LA @ Sep 22 2008, 02:43 PM) *
Wouldn't it make more sense to take all that money that people would spend on traveling to a protest and contribute to the Obama campaign instead????

Well that would be the logical solution, but the angry mob scene would be awesome.
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5by5
QUOTE (DonShafer @ Sep 22 2008, 12:54 PM) *
Well that would be the logical solution, but the angry mob scene would be awesome.
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My point exactly!!!!
Gwynogsrabbit
QUOTE (5by5 @ Sep 22 2008, 03:39 PM) *
I want it to look like a scene out of Frankenstein.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rofl.gif
"Oh dear, nothing left - what shall we throw in now?"


tom
Too bad GW's early Christmas present to Wall Street (if approved) won't affect Main Street until after the election.

Then again, the 3 or 4 million broke(n) spirits at the protest then will look more like zombies... bumps the "awesome" factor... tongue.gif
5by5
To paraphrase Inspector Kemp:

"Herr Bush iss indeed VALLOWING EEN EES GANDFADDA'S VOOTSHTAPS. A riot is an ungly thing... . undt, I tink, zhat it iz chust about time ve had vun."

Long Live Frau Blücher..!!! [Horses whinny.]
Grinder
Is it just me, or is W actually kind of enjoying this? He doesn't seem to be paniced at all, from what I can tell. Perhaps he knows it'll all be over for him in a couple of months, but if something doesn't happen, and quick, the rest of the walls are going to fall down.

...And Nero fiddled while Rome burned...
Gwynogsrabbit
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"Herr Bush iss indeed VALLOWING EEN EES GANDFADDA'S VOOTSHTAPS. A riot is an ungly thing... . undt, I tink, zhat it iz chust about time ve had vun."


5X5 thumbsup.gif

I have no idea how to organize a national protest. Do an of you? BUT - we can start here and then hook up with others. Randi has a huge audience, most of whom do not come to this board.

Randi, please ask your listeners to come here to organize, then we can find out about other organizing efforts so we can all converge at the same time.
Gwynogsrabbit
We can email Congress, but since they SET THIS SYSTEM UP, do you think some nice polite emails are going to get the message through their big heads???

I seem to rermember last year, someone who spends all their time in somewhere like Geneva was criticizing us for never forcing our legislators to do our will - we just kept sending them notes asking to please do this or that, and at the time I thought this person had a lot of nerve telling us to not work within the system that had worked so far - but that time is over, it has failed, and asking the people who ruined us to unruin us may nudge them, but they need some strong motivation, which doesn't come through an email.

I mean, I'll go ahead and do it, write, but if we get to the election intact it will be a huge shock. They need to know their VOTERS aren't just EMAIL -WRITERS.
Gwynogsrabbit
I'll put this article here and in the "call your congress critter" thread (not actual name, I think it's call your senator) (although to me critters are precious and wonderful and not traitor-varmits) It's going in both because she suggests first calling the varmits, then if that doesn't work, a revolution.

From: Welcome to the Final Stages of the Coup by Larisa Alexandrovna

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As I see it now, we have but two options and I have long alluded to hoping against hope that one of these options would not be the only one left to a peaceful people. The first and frankly most preferable option is for Congress to immediately begin impeachment proceedings against the members of this latest Business Plot.

No time needs to be wasted on hearings as we already now have in writing, formally as presented to Congress, the intentions of this administration to nullify Congressional powers permanently, to alter Judicial powers permanently, and to openly steal public funds using as blackmail the total collapse of the US economy if these powers are not handed over. You do see how this is blackmail, do you not? You do see how this is a manufactured crisis precisely designed to be used as blackmail, do you not?

The other option, the one I have long prayed we would never need to even consider, is a total revolution. But, If Congress won't act in its own self-defense, in the defense of democracy, in defense of us - the people who have elected them to protect us from this very danger - then what is left for us to do? I don't want to see it come down to this, but I fear that it will. Put your party politics aside right now. We are in a crisis so dangerous that should these people succeed in their coup, your party affiliation will no longer matter, your American flag will be a nice collectible item of something that once was, and your version of God will be worshiped in secrecy because your freedoms will be owned by the few.

You are no longer Republicans, Democrats, or any shade of voter. You do not live in a swing state or a solid colored state. You are simply this: an American. That is the only side that matters. So call your members of Congress and demand, no, declare that unless they do their duty to the Constitution and to us, we will move to the streets - not because we want to, but because our founding fathers demanded this duty of each and every citizen in the face of such a domestic enemy. Demand - as is your right - that this bill be voted against and demand - as is your right - that the people plotting this treachery be held to account. We are either a nation of laws or we are no longer a democracy. Pick a side, because there won't be another time, another moment, another chance to be a patriot.
5by5
No matter what, one protest day has already been organized.

November 4th, 2008.


And anybody who votes for this bill can count on getting a pink slip that day.
5by5
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080923/ap_on_...ancial_meltdown

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke bluntly warned reluctant lawmakers Tuesday they risk a recession with higher unemployment and increased home foreclosures if they fail to pass the Bush administration's $700 billion plan to bail out the financial industry.



That's not a prediction, it's a threat.
adamquestor
QUOTE (5by5 @ Sep 23 2008, 12:32 PM) *
That's not a prediction, it's a threat.


Yup. Sure is. I caught it in that report titled "Bush Ladin Determined to Strike Inside United States."

Just hastens my now-famous prediction:

The former United States will consist of at least three separate countries by 2010.

Gwynogsrabbit
QUOTE (adamquestor @ Sep 23 2008, 01:36 PM) *
Yup. Sure is. I caught it in that report titled "Bush Ladin Determined to Strike Inside United States."

Just hastens my now-famous prediction:

The former United States will consist of at least three separate countries by 2010.

adam, I never thought you were right on that one - until now. I hope it isn't regionally-based because South Florida already wants to be a different state from the rest of Florida.

Maybe there could be a basic survey, based on three separate and defining principles of what the peoples in each area consider important, then separate everyone based on that. And not state by state - more like based on which regions still voted McCain Palin after this.
Gwynogsrabbit
Some of you probably also got this email from Democrats.com - there are going to be street protests around the conutry this afternoon - here is where you can find the one nearest you

National street protests

And for those of you in Broward County, Florida, the nearest one is at the U.S. Federal Building and Courthouse at the corner of East Broward Boulevard and 3rd Avenue. From 5:00 - 6:30 pm It's a real pretty part of Ft. Lauderdale, I love the buildings.

But the email made it sound like Congress is planning on going along with the White House version of the bill. I had the impression that Congress has no such plans! I guess it's taken a couple of days for them to plan the protests, and meanwhile things have been moving really fast, and things probably aren't as bad as it seemed a few days ago. So I don't know - I hope Congress is real in saying they are very much against the WH plan, but on the other hand, they seem very much FOR passing a bill that would re-regulate things and help the mortgage situation.

So anyway, just letting you know in case you wanted to go!
Yellowbird
http://www.legitgov.org/#breaking_news
Bush administration seeks 'dictatorial power unreviewable by the third branch of government, the courts' 20 Sep 2008 The Bush administration asked Congress for unchecked power to buy $700 billion in bad mortgage investments from U.S. financial companies in what would be an unprecedented government intrusion into the markets. The bill would bar courts from reviewing actions taken under its authority. [See: Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1 for deployment during 'civil unrest,' 'horrific scenarios' 08 Sep 2008.]



If a protest starts they will call out the U.S. Army who are being deployed to SHOOT TO KILL the protesters.

They sure know how to control the crowd don't they?

NamelessGenXer
QUOTE (Yellowbird @ Sep 25 2008, 02:35 PM) *
They sure know how to control the crowd don't they?


Don't forget there is GOP precedent for this...

RandiLover
Nerf pitchforks, cardboard signs held up by rubber posts, double A maglights with the focusing head removed, and there are no weapons. You can still have the hoard look without the weapons. Now do they keep us from peacefully demonstrating outside OUR White House?

This will wake up America to the removal of our Constitution.
SherriChardonnay
there are protest everywhere! I just saw on tv a huge protest on wallsteet!

i HOPE Obama does NOT approve this bill...call them at their crisis bluff!
TapDuncan
I heard they were dumping their garbage in on Wall Street, I saw a pic of a pile of tv's and shit.
lipsticklobotomy
"U.S. troops returning from duty in Iraq will be carrying out homeland patrols in America from October 1st in complete violation of Posse Comitatus for the purposes of helping with “civil unrest and crowd control” - which could include dealing with unruly Americans after a complete economic collapse.

The deployment of National Guard troops to aid law enforcement or for disaster relief purposes is legal under the authority of the governor of a state, but using active duty U.S. Army in law enforcement operations inside America absent the conditions described in the Insurrection Act is completely illegal.


This shocking admission was calmly reported on September 8th by the Army Times website, which reports that from the beginning of next month the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team “Will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.”

The article notes that the deployment “marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.”

The purpose of the unit’s patrols includes helping “with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.”

The unit will be on homeland patrol for at least 20 months before returning to Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, according to the report.

Training for homeland operations has already begun at Fort Stewart and at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs.

Ominously, the report states that, “The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.”

The unit would also be deployed to deal with hostile crowds of Americans in the aftermath of a massive economic depression, potential food riots and race riots, if one defines the term “crowd control” to match its reasonably applicable scenarios.

The open admission that U.S. troops will be involved in law enforcement operations as well as potentially using non-lethal weapons against American citizens is a complete violation of the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act, which substantially limit the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement unless under precise and extreme circumstances.

Section 1385 of the Posse Comitatus Act states, “Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”

Under the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, signed by President Bush on October 17, 2006, the law was changed to state, “The President may employ the armed forces to restore public order in any State of the United States the President determines hinders the execution of laws or deprives people of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.”

However, these changes were repealed in their entirety by HR 4986: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, reverting back to the original state of the Insurrection Act of 1807.

The original text of the Insurrection Act severely limits the power of the President to deploy troops within the United States.

For troops to be deployed, a condition has to exist that, “(1) So hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or (2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws. In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.”

Is the Bush administration and Northcom waiting for such a scenario to unfold, an event that completely overwhelms state authorities, before unleashing the might of the U.S. Army against the American people?

The deployment of National Guard troops to aid law enforcement or for disaster relief purposes is legal under the authority of the governor of a state, but using active duty U.S. Army in law enforcement operations inside America absent the conditions described in the Insurrection Act is completely illegal.

With the promise of an “October surprise” on behalf of Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda being bandied about by the media and the potential for civil unrest should a complete collapse of the U.S. economy unfold, the presence of U.S. troops inside America, returning fresh from kicking down doors, arresting “insurgents” and taking them to internment camps in Iraq, should put Americans on alert and provoke urgent questions about the legality of U.S. Army units engaging in law enforcement operations against American citizens."

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