Ok, someone just mentioned Ayn Rand's Capitalism. I read Atlas Shrugged and she seemed to believe completely in hands off. Remember her brother, Jim Taggart, the guy who kept screwing up? They kept getting bailed out and propped up until the economy tanked after the Capitalist Heros started they're own Capitalist Country with no bailouts.
Unless i missed the point, I think Ayn Rand would think these Bush&Company idiots should sink on their own.
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QUOTE (cpvon @ Sep 23 2008, 12:31 PM) 
Ok, someone just mentioned Ayn Rand's Capitalism. I read Atlas Shrugged and she seemed to believe completely in hands off. Remember her brother, Jim Taggart, the guy who kept screwing up? They kept getting bailed out and propped up until the economy tanked after the Capitalist Heros started they're own Capitalist Country with no bailouts.
Unless i missed the point, I think Ayn Rand would think these Bush&Company idiots should sink on their own.
Unless i missed the point, I think Ayn Rand would think these Bush&Company idiots should sink on their own.
Though I strongly disagree with Ayn Rand's philosophy, in other, non-fiction works she stated her dislike of American "conservatives." She was more along the lines of a libertarian.
QUOTE (cpvon @ Sep 23 2008, 01:31 PM)
Ok, someone just mentioned Ayn Rand's Capitalism. I read Atlas Shrugged and she seemed to believe completely in hands off. Remember her brother, Jim Taggart, the guy who kept screwing up? They kept getting bailed out and propped up until the economy tanked after the Capitalist Heros started they're own Capitalist Country with no bailouts.
Unless i missed the point, I think Ayn Rand would think these Bush&Company idiots should sink on their own.
Unless i missed the point, I think Ayn Rand would think these Bush&Company idiots should sink on their own.
I THINK Ayn Rand would be out in the hills working on AK-47 accuracy, guerilla tactics and countermeasures against the Wall Street Punks.
She wasn't a nice lady, and she saw the identical sort of thugs and punks overrun Russia during the Revolution. And yes, scum like Jim Taggart.
Say what you wish about Rand - she was one of the most insightful writers about dystopias since Orwell.
And the Washington/Wall Street Cabal are exactly the sort of Enemies she was talking about.
Read her "Fountainhead" a couple years ago and have seen the film version a couple times.
The film bios on her are good and the Mike Wallace interview of her is also good.
Saw her interviewed originally in the 1970s on the old " Phil Donohue" show too in the 1970s.
I have to say she came from the individual point of view and the ability of the individual in society. I am not making excuses for her point of view, because the rise of the Soviet system is what made her what she became in our society.
She spoke so much for the right of the individual, she placed the common social good secondary in such a way that she could excuse what we in our time would label terrorism as an expression of that individualism.
The film bios on her are good and the Mike Wallace interview of her is also good.
Saw her interviewed originally in the 1970s on the old " Phil Donohue" show too in the 1970s.
I have to say she came from the individual point of view and the ability of the individual in society. I am not making excuses for her point of view, because the rise of the Soviet system is what made her what she became in our society.
She spoke so much for the right of the individual, she placed the common social good secondary in such a way that she could excuse what we in our time would label terrorism as an expression of that individualism.
One of Ayn Rand's proteges was a young Alan Greenspan (there's a story somewhere about a weird initiation he had into her "Collective" in her New York apartment). As Thom Hartmann points out, no nation has ever successfully functioned using a libertarian or objectivist philosophy.
I'm always perplexed at how conservative Christians love them some Ayn Rand. She's not very complimentary of religion in Atlas Shrugged and proclaims the power of man to redeem himself without the need for some pesky God.
On the other hand, there are probably very few who could read more than a couple chapters without going comatose...
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/1503...rm=Chickenlover
I'm always perplexed at how conservative Christians love them some Ayn Rand. She's not very complimentary of religion in Atlas Shrugged and proclaims the power of man to redeem himself without the need for some pesky God.
On the other hand, there are probably very few who could read more than a couple chapters without going comatose...
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/1503...rm=Chickenlover
QUOTE (CowboySteve @ Sep 23 2008, 07:21 PM)
I THINK Ayn Rand would be out in the hills working on AK-47 accuracy, guerilla tactics and countermeasures against the Wall Street Punks.
She wasn't a nice lady, and she saw the identical sort of thugs and punks overrun Russia during the Revolution. And yes, scum like Jim Taggart.
Say what you wish about Rand - she was one of the most insightful writers about dystopias since Orwell.
And the Washington/Wall Street Cabal are exactly the sort of Enemies she was talking about.
She wasn't a nice lady, and she saw the identical sort of thugs and punks overrun Russia during the Revolution. And yes, scum like Jim Taggart.
Say what you wish about Rand - she was one of the most insightful writers about dystopias since Orwell.
And the Washington/Wall Street Cabal are exactly the sort of Enemies she was talking about.
HELLO!!! What have I been saying here and on other boards for years??? The Republican Party: Ayn Rand's Disciples forming the Last Alliance of the Mystics of Faith(Religious Right) and the Mystics of Muscle(Neocons) with Liberal Rationalism and the Community of the Mind as the common enemy.
QUOTE (CowboySteve @ Sep 23 2008, 08:21 PM)
I THINK Ayn Rand would be out in the hills working on AK-47 accuracy, guerilla tactics and countermeasures against the Wall Street Punks.
She wasn't a nice lady, and she saw the identical sort of thugs and punks overrun Russia during the Revolution. And yes, scum like Jim Taggart.
Say what you wish about Rand - she was one of the most insightful writers about dystopias since Orwell.
And the Washington/Wall Street Cabal are exactly the sort of Enemies she was talking about.
She wasn't a nice lady, and she saw the identical sort of thugs and punks overrun Russia during the Revolution. And yes, scum like Jim Taggart.
Say what you wish about Rand - she was one of the most insightful writers about dystopias since Orwell.
And the Washington/Wall Street Cabal are exactly the sort of Enemies she was talking about.
Ayn Rand would just be on late night talk shows blaming everything on Kant.
"If you were born alone, you are dead now" - marsviii
Criticisms of Objectivism
http://world.std.com/~mhuben/critobj.html
Some articles suggesting this particular philosophy is highly flawed.
http://world.std.com/~mhuben/critobj.html
Some articles suggesting this particular philosophy is highly flawed.
QUOTE (marsviii @ Sep 25 2008, 07:05 AM)
Ayn Rand would just be on late night talk shows blaming everything on Kant.
"If you were born alone, you are dead now" - marsviii
"If you were born alone, you are dead now" - marsviii
Ghengis Khan
but
Immanuel Kant
Ayn Rand hated anything smacking of altruism and took it to such an extreme that it became a straw man. From her Objectivist Newsletter, August 1971:
"To understand the meaning and motives of egalitarianism, project it into the field of medicine. Suppose a doctor is called to help a man with a broken leg, and, instead of setting it, proceeds to break the legs of ten other men, explaining that this would make the patient feel better; when all these men become crippled for life, the doctor advocates the passage of a law compelling everyone to walk on crutches--in order to make the cripples feel better and equalize the 'unfairness' of nature."
[ad nauseum]
"To understand the meaning and motives of egalitarianism, project it into the field of medicine. Suppose a doctor is called to help a man with a broken leg, and, instead of setting it, proceeds to break the legs of ten other men, explaining that this would make the patient feel better; when all these men become crippled for life, the doctor advocates the passage of a law compelling everyone to walk on crutches--in order to make the cripples feel better and equalize the 'unfairness' of nature."
[ad nauseum]
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