You don't know what your talking about!

Pay attention!

The republican party has embarrassed socialism just this week.

They have proven to be hypocrites.

You need to pay attention.

McCain is a liar that doesn't know that he's lying when he's lying, because he's a very sick man run by the PTB of the Bush eight years of hell. Palin is an afterthought for me, because she makes me sick with her lies.

I would say wake the hell up to you, but you are quite disengenuous and you were smirking as you made this thread. Yes, I could see you.

We're calling you that now.

I'm not voting for McCain for his change mantra. I'm voting for him because he is the best fit on the policy issues that I'm most concerned about.

I started this thread to initiate a lively discussion contrasting the type of change both Obama and McCain are talking about. From the responses so far, it looks like a lively discussion has ensued.

But what is the difference between the two types of change being promoted?

It is a given that major change will take place when a different political party takes over the Whitehouse. Thus when Obama says he is the candidate of change, isn't he really stating the obvious?

To anyone who is listening to McCain, he is not necessarily talking about doing a 180 with all of Bush's policies. He is talking about bipartisan politics and compromise. This has been missing from Washington for a long time.

You see two countries divided along political lines. I see one Country united.

You see Democrats versus Republicans, with more Democrats in order to ram left wing politics down everyone's throat. I see Republicans and Democrats working together in a bipartisan fashion to do what is right for America.

I'm sure you never intended to do so, but your diatribe demonstrated the vast differences between the kind of Change Obama offers and the kind of change McCain offers.

Since I don't want to be full of shit, I guess I better hold my tongue.

I think QBC does get it. I think he's desperate to find an excuse to get people on board with McCain and also trying to convince himself.

right.
what do you think newt and bush have been doing for the past 10 years?

oh yeah, bankrupting the country, that's what.
you can't explain that, nor do you wish to take responsibility for it.
conservatives never can!
flat out refuse.
just maintain bubble, and make money any way possible.
we are in division thanks to people like you.

wait

was this thread about criticizing "Democratic politics"

I miss Democratic politics

could we give that a try again ?

So now that we are in the Obama change thread, maybe you would care to state speciific right wing policy positions that Obama is embracing. I believe you asked me to provide you with 3 left wing policy positions that McCain was embracing, so 3 would be be fair I believe.

I miss the 90s. Can we please go back in time?

You just haven't been paying attention. I think it might be the koolaid talking.

You don't believe Obama will say anything to win this election?

I very clearly stated why I started this thread, and referenced the thread toptier started. Toptier's thread was geared towards McCain. I attempted to bring up Obama in Toptier's thread, and was promptly reprimanded by Toptier for daring to do so. Since I really wanted to pursue this topic, it only made sense to start another thread.

Why would you see that as a problem? Could it be because you don't like me very much?

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
everyone should try it.
like preparation h
or
"off" skintastic
for the mind.

why yes thanks, i think we will!

1) He's supporting an increase in troops to Afghanistan. The position of the left wing of the Democratic Party is that our presence there (and the corrupt gov't of Karzai) is creating resentment among the Afghan People (creating support for the Taliban and Al Qaeda), and that the United States should withdraw and focus on getting Karzai to negotiate with the Taliban, and get Pakistan more involved in policing Waziristan and the frontier provinces. His plans for Afghanistan utilize a mix heavy diplomacy, military security, and substantial nonmilitary economic assistance. His plan recognizes that, while military solutions are not viable as stand-alone plans, there is little that can be reaped without making the citizenry feel safe and that their government is working for them.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...1823945,00.html

2) He compromised on FISA, which certainly bucked the left of his party, but I feel was the only smart move in what was an obvious political move to paint Obama into a corner. It doesn't hurt that anyone who's actually read the old FISA bill knows that this new one is substantially better where civil liberties are concerned.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-tv/roy-...m_b_111649.html

3) He's shown willingness to compromise on off-shore drilling in exchange for more investment in Wind and Solar energy.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/609/

Not sure where you are going with this. I've mentioned on several occasions that I listen to Randi whenever I get the chance.

However, just because I listen to Randi doesn't mean that I'm obligated to believe what she says. She has a vastly different view of the world than I do. For that reason, we will not agree on much of anything. I enjoy listening to Randi, because she is entertaining. She has a way of getting under my skin and I love yelling at her through my radio.

What would give you the impression that I'm here to get people on RRMB to vote for McCain? I honestly don't care who you or anyone else on this board votes for. In terms of my vote, take a look at my political leanings signature and you will see that I'm very comfortable with my position.

As I stated previously, you see a divided country that is polarized by political party. I don't. Your continued left wing rhetoric only further reenforces the point I was attempting to make.

Some people like to hear themselves type. I'll leave it at that...

What?

Your RW theocrats have done NOTHING to bring folks together.

Just like tonight when the shrub played the fear card again. Rethugs need to be eliminated!

Scorched earth!

Nothing left alive!

And burn the carcasses!

I think you will find that Obama's Afganistan policy position is more in line with the Democrats.

http://dpc.senate.gov/dpc-new.cfm?doc_name=fs-110-2-135



Two thirds of the of both the senate and house voted for the revised FISA Bill HR6304. I would hardly call this embracing a right wing policy position.



You've got to be kidding me. He is being dragged kicking and screaming, as are the Democrats in Congress. To do otherwise would be commiting political suicide.

Seeing as how your link doesn't mention Obama, you may find that people are flocking behind the plan he laid out, with hard lefties and hard righties being the holdouts.



And that's the difference between your party and mine. The Democratic Party is has been both the liberal party AND the conservative party for quite some time now, while the republican party has stood for very little more than tax cuts and social wedge issues.

Pick a position, and you're very likely to find a few democrats that agree with you.




Kicking and screaming? Who's kidding who?



That doesn't sound like kicking and screaming.

McCain has yet to back the above compromise, in case you're interested. Cutting a tax loop hole for oil companies and language regarding Wind and Solar development that make his Lexington Project look like the Fraud that it is probably don't sit well with him.

Oh, you know, Obama is all for eating babies. smh

Great... now they're stealing the "One America" line too. Give me a break. Your version of not seeing the divide differs in that you claim not to see divisions. Obama sees division within this One America and says we need to work across lines and make compromises.

In fact... your statement makes no sense whatsoever. "I don't see division... I see one America." Then the next statement you're claiming somebody is trying to shove their leftwing ideology down America's throat? I think there's a divide between your rhetoric and your actual beliefs.

Republicans are always for "unity" when they're about to lose an election.

Take your racist ass to another board...

What policy issues are you most concerned about that McCain will make a positive difference in. If I were you I'd be worried whether or not its McCain running for president or the people behind the scenes that are guiding his campaign. McCain just isn't the same McCain. And in my honest opinion... from your political leanings, I think Obama is in your best interest. I just don't see how you see it any different. I would like to know though.... please explain..

Being that he is for and against everything I guess he would have you covered. By the way, his straight talk express is experiencing some technical difficulties, so please excuse the delay to the truth.

I don't honestly believe you really wish anyone to enlighten you. There is so much material written on the Obama platform, strategy and vision for governance that this question and thread is redundant. The man has authored two books and outlined his policy in volumes of writings. He has campaigned for almost two years. He has been vetted.

This question and thread is six months dated.

It's five weeks to the election. By now people know how they are voting. My question for you, are you looking for answers or simply an argument?

I don't know you Peak, I have nothing personal against you, it's your politics I don't like and some of the ways that you post.

Yeah... Unity by name... and by no other characteristic.

It's hard to defend a failed policy. It's foolish to defend a failed mentality.
"Q" will have to roll over and play dead. He's just spinning like a whirlwind but it's a tempest in a teapot.
It's fun to watch.

Yes, indeed it is fun to watch.

Especially as he continues to try to re-frame the discussion in an attempt to derail it and keep from answering the initial question that was put to him.

I never asked him WHY he was voting for McCain. He was widely touting McCain's "change" policies and how he has more ownership of this rhetoric than Obama does IN THIS CAMPAIGN.

To which I asked him to address the SPECIFIC change that McCain is calling for in his campaign that he will enact when he's president that will "fix" what's broken in Washington.

The fact of the matter is, there IS no "change" in McCain from Bush.

He tested the "change" message in focus groups and it tested high, and he tried to co-opt it for his campaign, and yet he has NO meat to hang on it.

There is NO concrete change that he ever actually intends to pursue!

QBC disagreed. So I requested he share with us ANY specific change (actually I specified 3 -- should be an easy enough thing to do if it's legitimate) that McCain is promoting.


He.

Couldn't.

Do.

It.

And still can't.

So he needs to throw another distraction thread out there to keep everyone from seeing that "The Emperor Has No Clothes."

Now here's a President!


Thank you Liblaw

Peak-a-Boo. Master of the circular argument.

yer welcome...

says: Link


DESPERATION

It always happens in the movies. The mortally wounded 'hero' lies in a pool of his own blood, and his buddies gather round him as his life seeps away. And yet, just before his eyes go sightless and his breath ceases, our 'hero' manages to find the strength and energy to blurt out one last decree....think Sean Connery in 'The Untouchables'. WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO!?......fade to black.

Yesterday, John McCain had his Sean Connery moment.

Yesterday, all that we've seen in John McCain, his campaign, his Party and his philosophy bubbled up in one explosive display of pettiness and cynicism.....and now the rest of the world knows what we've known all along. Gone was 'The Maverick'. Gone was any hint of a wizened 'straight talker' made humble by years of prison camp. Instead we were treated to a petty man who sits astride a dying philosophy. A candidate run by a campaign that has basically admitted..."We're done. We pulled out every distraction, every stunt, every dirty trick there is, and it still didn't work." A campaign that has at last admitted that their actual opponent in this race is not Barack Obama....it's REALITY. The reality of a failed record, a failed war, a failed economy, failed leadership. And it's a race that simply can't be won.

As the latest polling showed his campaign's life seeping out onto the pavement, as the cold truth of overseeing (and surrounding himself with) the players in this sick financial game, at the prospect of standing in front of millions of Americans who wanted to know....what are you going to do?!...John McCain blurted his last aspirating grunt....I'M RUNNING AWAY!

"It's the longest Hail Mary pass in the history of either football or Marys." - Rep Barney Frank on McCain's 'campaign suspension'.

I've made it very clear from the beginning why I am here on RRMB. I'm not here to be enlightened and I'm not here to enlighten anyone. I'm here to debate the issues with those who disagree with me.

In terms of the question put forth in my thread, it has become much more relevant since McCain recently began touting himselve as the agent of change.

It is no surprise that you believe Obama would appeal to all Americans. However, in the real world, his policy positions are liberal. There are many of us out there who don't much like liberal politics. Sorry to prick your bubble.

Which, yet again, he is not. And there is no indication in any of his policies or proposals that shows that.

So. . . Again. . . you not only have no "argument," we get to snicker at you as well!

Just By Running Off All The Republican Cronies Out Of The Executive Branch Of Government And restoring Justice And Accountability To Bring Back The Constitutional stability,Caused By the reckless civility.
And That's Change That I Can Believe in Yes We Can.

Then you're wasting everyone's time with your personal game.

No, your'e not.

Palin is an idiot...for example:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/090...and_Couric.html


COURIC: But he's been in Congress for 26 years. He's been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more.

PALIN: He's also known as the maverick, though. Taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about — the need to reform government.

COURIC: I'm just going to ask you one more time, not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation?

PALIN: I'll try to find you some, and I'll bring them to you.

Check out SP's response to this revelation:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/219235.php

So the latest is that we find that McCain campaign manager Rick Davis's firm was on the Freddie Mac payroll until last month when the government took over Freddie and forced it to stop paying money to lobbyists and insiders like Rick Davis. Now, Davis is part owner of Davis Manafort, the firm in question.

Here's SP's excellent demonstration of mindlesss memorization:

http://roschellenelson.blogspot.com/2008/0...-interview.html

Wednesday, September 24, 2008
Katie Couric - Sarah Palin Interview Transcript


Sarah Palin: My understanding is that Rick Davis recused himself from the dealings of the firm. I don't know how long ago, a year or two ago that he's not benefiting from that. And you know, I was - I would hope that's not the case.

Katie Couric: But he still has a stake in the company so isn't that a conflict of interest?

Palin: Again, my understanding is that he recused himself from the dealings with Freddie and Fannie, any lobbying efforts on his part there. And I would hope that's the case because, as John McCain has been saying, and as I've on a much more local level been also rallying against is the undue influence of lobbyists in public policy decisions being made.

If you actually listened to NovaM, you would vote for Obama too.

Then again, maybe you will vote for Obama. Since blogging right wing BS is just how you earn your living.

Tell the truth, your really a ganja smoking , dreadlocked, black dude...aren't you?