SherriChardonnay
Sep 29 2008, 01:27 PM
something about a speech pelosi gave that was partisan...so fing what....how can you blame the dems for your failed 7yrs...why should the dem majority have passed the bill....
they knew they (the rethugs)were not going to pass this bill...they were in there yesterday working on the spin...this is the oct suprise if the dems dont come out slamming
jkun17
Sep 29 2008, 01:37 PM
They are blaming hurt feelings -- really? That's all it took to make adults change their opinion over something that was worked on for over a week? Hurt feelings? Pathetic.
TapDuncan
Sep 29 2008, 01:39 PM
Imagine that Capone complaining about the Feds.
jammonius
Sep 29 2008, 01:40 PM
QUOTE (jkun17 @ Sep 29 2008, 02:53 PM)

They are blaming hurt feelings -- really? That's all it took to make adults change their opinion over something that was worked on for over a week? Hurt feelings? Pathetic.
Rs voted "no" because Pelosi made them do it. That is rich. In this instance, the Rs demonstrate less courage than Ds typically have. Is the water supply to Capital Hill spiked with cowardice or something?
fancypants-FL
Sep 29 2008, 01:40 PM
Which goes to show this was more of a TRAP to hang Dems than a Crisis...
fancypants-FL
Sep 29 2008, 01:42 PM
LMFAO!!
Barney FRANK handing the rePigliCOns their ASSES during new conference !!!
OMG ! This is GREAT!!
He wants their 12 names so he can talk "uncharistically NICE to them"
SherriChardonnay
Sep 29 2008, 01:51 PM
ha lmao Frank put their asses in check! They have a lot nerve to blame the dems for not supporting their mess up!
stinemetz
Sep 29 2008, 01:55 PM
The Damed If You Do Damd If You Dont Republican Game For The George And Dick Puppit Show Part Three.
SherriChardonnay
Sep 29 2008, 01:57 PM
and mcgimmick is fed up..he claim that he was their leading them and did not...i guess his maverickism did not work lmao!
fancypants-FL
Sep 29 2008, 01:58 PM
Good grief....
Even tweety is saying McGrumpy failed to LEAD on this bill
LOL
Ishmael
Sep 29 2008, 02:03 PM
I told you. It was political Jujitsu.
Repukes drive the economy into the ground. Then they tell Dems, "Oh! Please bail us out of the mess we created."
Then Dems write the law with all the bells and whistles to make it so it actually MIGHT work. Then the Repukes pull the rug out and blame the Dems for calling them the incompetent fuckwads they are. Now comes NEWPLAN from the Repukes which is merely the Shock Doctrine incarnate.
Besides, I thought Jonah Mccain solved all this last week. So the question then becomes,
Where was John McCain in all this?
It just goes to show.
You're never going to get anywhere in life believing lying Republicans.
TapDuncan
Sep 29 2008, 02:03 PM
I love Barney, he's got balls, so does DK, I'm waiting to hear what he says.
Christine
Sep 29 2008, 02:06 PM
grampy
Sep 29 2008, 02:16 PM
QUOTE (Christine @ Sep 29 2008, 03:22 PM)

GEE WIZZ!! What ever happened to the Reagenomics we all were sold on by all these so=called concerned republican pols?????Did they forget all the years of eliminating oversight in the business and banking world???Under republican total control of government law making?
fancypants-FL
Sep 29 2008, 02:20 PM
Oh Sh*T.....
Morning Joe railing against McGrumpy for his lack of leadership in this bill LOL
He's also saying Nancy failed...but that's Joe... ;P
GCurry
Sep 29 2008, 02:21 PM
QUOTE (Ishmael @ Sep 29 2008, 12:19 PM)

I told you. It was political Jujitsu.
Repukes drive the economy into the ground. Then they tell Dems, "Oh! Please bail us out of the mess we created."
Then Dems write the law with all the bells and whistles to make it so it actually MIGHT work. Then the Repukes pull the rug out and blame the Dems for calling them the incompetent fuckwads they are. Now comes NEWPLAN from the Repukes which is merely the Shock Doctrine incarnate.
Besides, I thought Jonah Mccain solved all this last week. So the question then becomes,
Where was John McCain in all this?
It just goes to show.
You're never going to get anywhere in life believing lying Republicans.
SherriChardonnay
Sep 29 2008, 02:23 PM
QUOTE (fancypants-FL @ Sep 29 2008, 02:36 PM)

Oh Sh*T.....
Morning Joe railing against McGrumpy for his lack of leadership in this bill LOL
He's also saying Nancy failed...but that's Joe... ;P
I just saw that too...but I disagree with joe that this is a failure on pelosi....she promised 141 and the other leader boehner DID NOT!
in honest I am glad it did NOT pass...700 point down is not so bad
fla1sun
Sep 29 2008, 02:24 PM
QUOTE (fancypants-FL @ Sep 29 2008, 01:56 PM)

Which goes to show this was more of a TRAP to hang Dems than a Crisis...
Welcome to the board. I love your word, 'Fristianland'.
Join the local Dem party
SherriChardonnay
Sep 29 2008, 02:24 PM
QUOTE (Ishmael @ Sep 29 2008, 02:19 PM)

I told you. It was political Jujitsu.
Repukes drive the economy into the ground. Then they tell Dems, "Oh! Please bail us out of the mess we created."
Then Dems write the law with all the bells and whistles to make it so it actually MIGHT work. Then the Repukes pull the rug out and blame the Dems for calling them the incompetent fuckwads they are. Now comes NEWPLAN from the Repukes which is merely the Shock Doctrine incarnate.
Besides, I thought Jonah Mccain solved all this last week. So the question then becomes,
Where was John McCain in all this?
It just goes to show.
You're never going to get anywhere in life believing lying Republicans.
preach preach preach.....someone needs to pass this talking point on to the dems b/c they need to say this oN TV!
Starbuck
Sep 29 2008, 02:25 PM
Republicans blaming Democrats? It must be Monday.
The GOP can not point fingers out of the mess they created.
fancypants-FL
Sep 29 2008, 02:33 PM
QUOTE (fla1sun @ Sep 29 2008, 02:40 PM)

Welcome to the board. I love your word, 'Fristianland'.
Join the local Dem party

I've actually been a board member since May 2004.
I just don't post that much when I work full time....lost that job last monday so now I have time to post...
I live in Santa Rosa County....World record holder for number of Churches....
UGH.
kernaljessup
Sep 29 2008, 02:37 PM
Repuglicans are pathetic. They could have used this to appeal to their Qaedas (Base).
This is a cheap stunt by the repugs trying to blame Pelosi's speech. Come on repugs, stop the bullshit.
GCurry
Sep 29 2008, 02:38 PM
Here's Barney Frank on the 12 with hurt feelings.
fancypants-FL
Sep 29 2008, 02:40 PM
LMFAO,
MSNBC just played Barney's comments again !!!
I LOVE IT !!!!!
SherriChardonnay
Sep 29 2008, 02:41 PM
and now mcgimmick just released a statment saying its barack Obama's fault! unbelievable!
egghead
Sep 29 2008, 02:45 PM
QUOTE (fancypants-FL @ Sep 29 2008, 01:58 PM)

LMFAO!!
Barney FRANK handing the rePigliCOns their ASSES during new conference !!!
OMG ! This is GREAT!!
He wants their 12 names so he can talk "uncharistically NICE to them"

He's got humor I've heard.
egghead
Sep 29 2008, 02:46 PM
QUOTE (SherriChardonnay @ Sep 29 2008, 02:57 PM)

and now mcgimmick just released a statment saying its barack Obama's fault! unbelievable!
Political finger pointing. Why am I not surprised? I notice Obama is not having it.
fancypants-FL
Sep 29 2008, 02:50 PM
Repig appoligist on MSNBC whining about having their "feelings hurt" and whoever this is hosting isn't having any part of it LOL
SherriChardonnay
Sep 29 2008, 02:50 PM
well everyone get ready mcgimmick is going to speak and is expected to blame baracks'
lack of leadership on this bill as the reason for its failure!
fancypants-FL
Sep 29 2008, 02:51 PM
OT:
Wes Clark will be in Pensacola tomorrow speaking at Obama headquarters (1pm CST).
X-Ray-Spex
Sep 29 2008, 03:00 PM
sourced from Newsweek (not the NY Times)...
Some Maverick, huh? Who would advise McCain if he were to be elected. The same lobyists he claims to have no contact with. And who would get money to whisper in McCain's ear about laws, decrees, and Presidential regulations? Remember when big Oil and big Pharmacy wrote the language of our oil and prescription drug laws for Bush/Cheney? No more. No How. No McCain.
A Freddie Mac Money Trail Catches Up With McCain
Monday 06 October 2008
by: Michael Isikoff and Holly Bailey, Newsweek
Rick Davis' lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, was paid $15,000 a month between 2006 and August 2008 for providing lobbying services to Freddie Mac.
Few advisers in John McCain's inner circle inspire more loyalty from him than campaign manager Rick Davis. McCain and his wife, Cindy, credit the shrewd, and sometimes volatile, Republican insider with rescuing the campaign last year when it was out of money and on the verge of collapse. As a result, McCain has always defended him - even when faced with tough questions about the foreign lobbying clients of Davis's high-powered consulting firm. "Rick is a friend, and I trust him," McCain told NEWSWEEK last year.
Last week, though, McCain's trust in Davis was tested again amid disclosures that Freddie Mac, the troubled mortgage giant that was recently placed under federal conservatorship, paid his campaign manager's firm $15,000 a month between 2006 and August 2008. As the mortgage crisis has escalated, almost any association with Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae has become politically toxic. But the payments to Davis's firm, Davis Manafort, are especially problematic because he requested the consulting retainer in 2006 - and then did barely any work for the fees, according to two sources familiar with the arrangement who asked not to be identified discussing Freddie Mac business. Aside from attending a few breakfasts and a political-action-committee meeting with Democratic strategist Paul Begala (another Freddie consultant), Davis did "zero" for the housing firm, one of the sources said. Freddie Mac also had no dealings with the lobbying firm beyond paying monthly invoices - but it agreed to the arrangement because of Davis's close relationship with McCain, the source said, which led top executives to conclude "you couldn't say no."
The McCain campaign told reporters the fees were irrelevant because Davis "separated from his consulting firm … in 2006," according to the campaign's Web site, and he stopped drawing a salary from it. In fact, however, when Davis joined the campaign in January 2007, he asked that his $20,000-a-month salary be paid directly to Davis Manafort, two sources who asked not to be identified discussing internal campaign business told NEWSWEEK. Federal campaign records show the McCain campaign paid Davis Manafort $90,000 through July 2007, when a cash crunch prompted Davis and other top campaign officials to forgo their salaries and work as volunteers. Separately, another entity created and partly owned by Davis - an Internet firm called 3eDC, whose address was the same office building as Davis Manafort's - received payments from the McCain campaign for Web services, collecting $971,860 through March 2008. In an e-mail to NEWSWEEK, a senior McCain official said that when the campaign began last year, it signed a contract with Davis Manafort "in which we purchased all of [Davis's] time, and he agreed not to work for any other clients." The official also said that though Davis was an "investor" in 3eDC, Davis has received no salary from it. As to why Davis permitted the Freddie Mac payments to continue, the official referred NEWSWEEK to Davis Manafort, which did not respond to repeated phone calls. One senior McCain adviser said the entire flap could have been avoided if the campaign had resisted attacking Barack Obama for his ties to two former Fannie Mae executives, which prompted the media to take a second look at Davis. "It was stupid," the adviser said. "A serious miscalculation and an amateurish move." Still, this adviser said, McCain's faith in his campaign manager remains unswerving.
"Our lives begin to end the day
we become silent about things that matter."
Martin Luther King, Jr.
JK-in-ATL
Sep 29 2008, 03:14 PM
QUOTE (SherriChardonnay @ Sep 29 2008, 04:06 PM)

well everyone get ready mcgimmick is going to speak and is expected to blame baracks'
lack of leadership on this bill as the reason for its failure!
Wait a minnit.... wasn't McCain the one who swooped into Washington to bless the Congress with a great big steaming pile of his leadership in drafting this bill?
SherriChardonnay
Sep 29 2008, 03:15 PM
QUOTE (JK-in-ATL @ Sep 29 2008, 03:30 PM)

Wait a minnit.... wasn't McCain the one who swooped into Washington to bless the Congress with a great big steaming pile of his leadership in drafting this bill?
I know this...you know this but mcgimmick FORGOT! This backfired on him so now they are spinning it against Obama
KimFromLongIsland
Sep 29 2008, 03:16 PM
Well I hate to be a thorn in everyone's side here, but it IS the Dem's fault that it didn't pass. There is no fillibuster in the house and the Dems on their own have more then enough votes to pass anything without Repig help. But only about 60% of the Dems voted for it.
So yes, it is very much the Dem's fault that it didn't pass.
SherriChardonnay
Sep 29 2008, 03:19 PM
QUOTE (X-Ray-Spex @ Sep 29 2008, 03:16 PM)

[color="#000000"]sourced from Newsweek (not the NY Times)...
Some Maverick, huh? Who would advise McCain if he were to be elected. The same lobyists he claims to have no contact with. And who would get money to whisper in McCain's ear about laws, decrees, and Presidential regulations? Remember when big Oil and big Pharmacy wrote the language of our oil and prescription drug laws for Bush/Cheney? No more. No How. No McCain.
A Freddie Mac Money Trail Catches Up With McCainMonday 06 October 2008
by: Michael Isikoff and Holly Bailey, Newsweek
Rick Davis' lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, was paid $15,000 a month between 2006 and August 2008 for providing lobbying services to Freddie Mac.
Few advisers in John McCain's inner circle inspire more loyalty from him than campaign manager Rick Davis. McCain and his wife, Cindy, credit the shrewd, and sometimes volatile, Republican insider with rescuing the campaign last year when it was out of money and on the verge of collapse. As a result, McCain has always defended him - even when faced with tough questions about the foreign lobbying clients of Davis's high-powered consulting firm. "Rick is a friend, and I trust him," McCain told NEWSWEEK last year.
Last week, though, McCain's trust in Davis was tested again amid disclosures that Freddie Mac, the troubled mortgage giant that was recently placed under federal conservatorship, paid his campaign manager's firm $15,000 a month between 2006 and August 2008. As the mortgage crisis has escalated, almost any association with Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae has become politically toxic. But the payments to Davis's firm, Davis Manafort, are especially problematic because he requested the consulting retainer in 2006 - and then did barely any work for the fees, according to two sources familiar with the arrangement who asked not to be identified discussing Freddie Mac business. Aside from attending a few breakfasts and a political-action-committee meeting with Democratic strategist Paul Begala (another Freddie consultant), Davis did "zero" for the housing firm, one of the sources said. Freddie Mac also had no dealings with the lobbying firm beyond paying monthly invoices - but it agreed to the arrangement because of Davis's close relationship with McCain, the source said, which led top executives to conclude "you couldn't say no."
woooooooah! so they are not going to release this until next week?
SherriChardonnay
Sep 29 2008, 03:20 PM
QUOTE (KimFromLongIsland @ Sep 29 2008, 03:32 PM)

Well I hate to be a thorn in everyone's side here, but it IS the Dem's fault that it didn't pass. There is no fillibuster in the house and the Dems on their own have more then enough votes to pass anything without Repig help. But only about 60% of the Dems voted for it.
So yes, it is very much the Dem's fault that it didn't pass.
NO its not.....the dems and the rethugs agreed that 141 of dems would approve and 80 rethgus...the rethugs did not come through...so get the FACTS straight!
fancypants-FL
Sep 29 2008, 03:22 PM
This is not the Dem's fault it failed...the Dem's got the number of votes they needed....the Pigs DID NOT get the votes they promised...
Pigs = Failure
McGrumpy is supposed to spew shortly...MSNBC waiting to carry it live.
SherriChardonnay
Sep 29 2008, 03:23 PM
and the dems are not out stressing that it is not up to them to pass a bill by their rethug party for the policies that have caused this mess.
THE DEMS ARE Numb on this!
5by5
Sep 29 2008, 03:26 PM
Blame?
90% of the American public didn't want this bailout.
We should happily take credit for this, because it was a shitty deal that would have bankrupted America.
2/3rds of Republicans voted against it TOO.
The deal sucked. It's not our fault if Wall St. can't keep it's shit together. They got themselves into this mess, they can damn well take some of their wretched profits and dig themselves out of it too.
Welcome to Capitalism.
rchamberlin
Sep 29 2008, 03:27 PM
OK, so the repubs put the fox in charge of the chicken house, then the fox ate the chickens, now the fox is starving to death, so the solution is that we have to take the chickens from our friends and neighbors to re-fill the chicken house.
How long will these chickens last?
SherriChardonnay
Sep 29 2008, 03:29 PM
QUOTE (5by5 @ Sep 29 2008, 03:42 PM)

Blame?
90% of the American public didn't want this bailout.
We should happily take credit for this, because it was a shitty deal that would have bankrupted America.
2/3rds of Republicans voted against it TOO.
The deal sucked. It's not our fault if Wall St. can't keep it's shit together. They got themselves into this mess, they can damn well take some of their wretched profits and dig themselves out of it too.
Welcome to Capitalism.
I agree with you..and I was one of the 90% who did NOT want this. But I am appalled at how they are spinning this crisis on the dems...just b/c the dems have the majority does not mean they need to bailout not only wallstreet but the 7yrs of rethug rule!
5by5
Sep 29 2008, 03:30 PM
QUOTE (rchamberlin @ Sep 29 2008, 01:43 PM)

OK, so the repubs put the fox in charge of the chicken house, then the fox ate the chickens, now the fox is starving to death, so the solution is that we have to take the chickens from our friends and neighbors to re-fill the chicken house.
How long will these chickens last?
Well they are counting them before they're hatched, so who knows? It's the Enron version of farming. Off-budget financing. Or off-egg. Or.... something.
TapDuncan
Sep 29 2008, 03:36 PM
The dems who voted against it did so because it had no protections for the middle class, the pigs who voted against it come from middle class constituencies, IMO.
RandiLover
Sep 29 2008, 03:37 PM
Ya its the democraps that wouldnt put the criminal bushco in prison I agree. It starts with Patsy Pelosi and her cast of favorites. Dennis Kusinich is a true patriot and he talked to an empty chamber. Karl Rove still runs his mouth on TV and this is all dems fault. Just keep blaming those democraps for a Repug run for 30-40 years of infrastructure sellout. Remember Raygun telling everyone we would be a service economy, SERVICE THIS (_)*(_) !
LibLaw
Sep 29 2008, 03:37 PM
McSame is going to be speaking on CCN momentarily LOL this ought to be good...
fancypants-FL
Sep 29 2008, 03:38 PM
This Pig Issa is a baby....
Backbencher baby......
DonShafer
Sep 29 2008, 03:39 PM
Newt Gingrich just held a press conference and claimed that the real reason the bill failed was because Bill Clinton Got A Blowjob (TM GOP 1999).
IVEATCH
Sep 29 2008, 03:40 PM
Congress typically waits until the eleventh second of the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleven month to do anything.
43 days to go .....................
adamquestor
Sep 29 2008, 03:40 PM
QUOTE (LibLaw @ Sep 29 2008, 04:53 PM)

McSame is going to be speaking on CCN momentarily LOL this ought to be good...
Let us know if his eye starts twitching like Herbert Lom's in
Return of the Pink Panther.
SherriChardonnay
Sep 29 2008, 03:46 PM
mcgimmick is on now but I muted it....I dont want to hear him blame Obama!
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