People trying to blame Democrats for the stock market Crash. Bull Shit, Republicans created this mess. We need to do our due dilligence and pass a comprehensive economic package that "rescues" MAIN STREET first, then Wall street. The Bill as is, is unnacceptable. I refuse to give in to the Corporate Oligarchs who are using fear to shove a Bill down our throats. Yes, something needs to be done. Not just anything. Get it right.

I do too! I am glad they stood up! they have BALLS!

I congratulate every member of the House who voted against this horrible bill. I am especially grateful to my own Representative, Randy Kuhl, for his "No" vote. I didn't think he had it in him, but he did. (Maybe his vote had something to do with the 1200 letters he received from constituents - he is standing for reelection in November. But IMHO, the House finally did something right.)

John Yarmuth, Democrat and I'm proud to say he's my congressman...

can you tell me if Bobby Rush voted? How did you find out?..I cant stand him...

My Congressman, Al Green of Houston, TX voted no! Gene Green, Nick Lampson, and Sheila Jacskon Lee, all Dems in Greater Houston area voted no.

someone posted the link here a while ago. If I find it I'll post it here.

Official House List

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml

The Democrats did their job too.

It's a "Catch-22" down all the aisles.

I don't really care who voted or who didn't. I'm sick of this blame game. I'm sick of this whole bailout thing. I now believe this so called crisis was a plan to make democrats look bad, and people are harassing certain members of our party in congress for supporting it. These people need to grow up. People have even said they would rather vote for a republican to overturn the seat of a democrat who voted for the bill if it had gone through. It is absolutely ridiculous. People would be wise not to talk about things when they don't know what the heck is going on.

Portland had Wu and Blumenauer both voting No, But here in Oregon City we fall into the very contorted 5th district with Hooley who was an Aye. Hmmmm.....

Small world Fellixe! I was born in Oregon City.

My Congress-critter, Lloyd Doggett voted NO - I'm so damned proud of him! I called his office and thanks to Randi I KNEW what to tell him and what my concern was. I KNOW my message got passed along, and quite frankly as long as he remembers where he's from and how he got where he is now, I'll keep him there!

Kyoti

Only moved here from Gladstone 2 mos. ago. But I'm loving it here just a short walk from Spicer Brothers. It is so choice.

lol Gladstone! after we moved in '45, I grew up next door, in Jennings Lodge.

What the hell are you talking about? They did the easy thing. They did the thing that was popular. They did the one thing that wouldn't cost them any votes at home. They didn't go on a limb to vote no.

The brave ones are the ones who put their political careers on the line to vote for the bailout.

I suspect you're one of the many intellectually uninquiring on this board who condemned the bill without actually having read it. It's not a hard read and, given the situation, not a lot to ask an individual to do.

It was a good bill. It wasn't a money giveaway, it was anything but. It didn't leave borrowers and homeowners out in the cold, it insulated them.

This is ridiculous. The DOW is plummeting. Business, even small businesses, are having their credit lines reduced; e.g. can't get money for payroll or inventory during meager times like these. Anyone with a 401k (that is to say the middle class) should be looking at how little is left. International stock markets are dropping with ours.

This is bad. This is very very bad.

They did the right thing.. listened to their constituents who they Represent.

THANKS!

this whole bailout deal is confusing...everything is so enmeshed. I hate the thought of bailing out
the banks who have consistently screwed us...but what about the little bit of retirement I have and what about the retirement of others? How do we draw the lines to protect us and how do we draw the line to keep the ones who drove this train off the tracks from getting a penny? They, who have been reckless with our money should lose ALL of theirs....and their 7 homes and 15 cars...yeah, them.

Right. Because voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would have been doing the right thing too.

Don't forget, "do it for John," was the rallying cry for the passage of the Civil Rights Act. It took the emotional wake of the loss of one of America's greatest Presidents to get that passed and make no mistake, it would never have passed otherwise. There was never overwhelming popular support for the Civil Rights Act and the Democrats as a party paid a heavy price for having passed it.

Doing what your constituents isn't being brave or courageous, it's looking out for your job. Doing what you think is right in spite of loss is courage.

The Democrats and Republicans who failed to pass the bailout weren't brave; they weren't cowards, but they are leaps and bounds and leaps and bounds from anything even close to brave.

WOW my congressman voted no...mmmmm I still hate him!

Read the bill. Please god, sit down and read the bill. It was a good bill.

It won't take more than hour, I promise.

I'll go look....am fixing dinner right now but once that's all done, I will sit down with it....I saw the link posted here in this thread I think.

Laura Richardson voted for it. The current financial tizzy doesn't make her own financial shenanigans look any better. Too bad the only group pushing for her recall links to KKK KFI radio. Oh, well. Another Long Beach Lowenthal will doubtless pop up to snatch the post one of these days.

full text of bill.

my big problem was section 106 a and c.
it gives the secretary FULL reign over "assets purchased under this act".
truth is we can't trust anyone in this administration with full reign over anything.
its been proven with the patriot act.

Congress doesn't have executive power, congress can't have 'reign' over execution of bills.

Separation of powers etc.

no. but that bill would have given the secretary of treasury full control over anything that was purchased under the bill.
thereby giving him the power to;
"sell troubled assets"
fuck that noise.

Who else do you think should have that power? Or should we just hold on to them forever?

i am not about to give the power to foreclose MY mortgage to a swine appointed by this administration who has bald faced lied about everything.
again
fuck that noise.
they can't even deal with the department of justice without bringing partisan into the scenario, what makes you think they'd be lenient with a donor to the dnc?
that may be my paranoia but oh well.
we haven't been able to trust these people with anything, i think i'd rather be cautious than to give them anymore power.heh.
my home is foreclosed, yet its okay at least we have funding for Iraq or billion dollar profits for oil right?
i know for damn sure that a majority of the corporations that line the right pockets won't get a "foreclosure", if you catch my drift.
YOU CAN'T TRUST THEM WITH THAT MUCH AUTHORITY!



someone else say something, i can't stop editing to add more to this rant.

Great -- but could you kindly answer my question.

define them?
i thought i had.

"Who else do you think should have that power?"

How will this bill help those already foreclosed on and living in Tent Cities?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/0...s.ap/index.html

not this admin.
other than that i don't know.
to me, this is not something that can be solved overnight you know.
one thing i do know, we do need regulation yesterday and we can't have it under these people.
they're corrupt swindlers on an epic level.

Tighten the purse strings. I want to see the Tres-Sec coming back to Congress every month begging for money and showing that they are meeting requirements. If it's not working like they say, cut off the funds.

nice.
handle it like a bank would a loan, show me the facts thing right?

what are the chances that the "crash of the dow" is entirely manipulated by the fed/powers that be, in order to squeeze/create a panic/force people to vote for the bailout... let's just see how much pain it takes?

i had thought that myself. although i don't know if they have the ability to do that "at will", but a few right calls to the right people and "SMACK", you know.

Remember, these are Bush friends. If we have learned anything over the past 8 years. Don't trust Bush.

and welcome.
you'll find the bar in happy hour.

Yes, no blank checks. There should and will be strict oversight before I can support any bailout. It should occur in installments.

i like it, but good luck in getting the response it needs from the people with everything to hide.

Hey there, I'm going to go on a limb and say you're one of the people who haven't read the bill -- because that's almost exactly what he'll have to do.

But he answers to the oversight committee...he is only empowered to enact the bill as it is written. that's what I get from it...just read it. Seems to be a good bill and Obama has said he will fine tune it once elected and I think there will be oversight. the taxpayers are supposed to make money on this deal. I'd rather go with this than do nothing....Alot of people who are not high rollers have a lot to lose.

That's in the bill.

Yep....monthly meetings with the oversight committee..I like that!

what are the chances that the "crash of the dow" is entirely manipulated by the fed in order to squeeze/create a panic/force people to vote for the bailout... let's just see how much pain it takes?

Losing our home and retirement would be painful....it would be devestating. did you read the bill yet?

do you really trust the committee?
i don't