Guilty. Details to come - happening live now.

Guilty on charges of robbery, 1st degree kidnapping, assault with a deadly weapon, coersion with use of a deadly weapon, etc. Guilty on all 12 charges

Somehow I can't bring myself to care one little bit.

Yeah. I suppose I prefer for him to be found guilty. I'm more pleased to not have to hear trial updates on the radio though.

On the other hand, I did click on this thread.

Which is probably bogus, given the time of night.

I'm an idiot.

13 years to the day that he was acquitted of the two murders.

Oh, I rarely mind seeing karma work a little bit.

Finally, some karma for that murder.

And not only is it karma, it is triple karma.

He was found not guilty 13 years ago today for double murder.

Ooops, sorry. You're right. Now that links are available, here's one.

Remember, Vegas is the 24 hour city. After the juryy announced they had reached a versict around 8pm, the judge called the parties and jury together to be in the courtroom at 10pm (PT) and read the verdicts at about 10:45.

I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Simpson's lawyers appeal this ruling citing that the anniversary of his aquittal of those murders had influenced these jurors.

I didn't know it was the anniversary until somebody told me.

I don't think that defense could work all that well.

I don't think the jury would have such great memories for something like that like alot of people.

The only thing somebody might remember is where they were when they heard or saw the verdict 13 years ago though.

I know I did, and even more ironic, I swear I saw somebody I knew the someday I heard the verdict 13 years ago today!

It's a ironic day all around.

Oh, frankly, I suspect there are some more credible grounds than that. But knowing Galanter, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the point you make is also among the list he throws at the wall in hopes something will stick.

But I suspect the more likely explanation is the proclivity well-known in courthouses for juries to wrap-up on a Friday when they can. It's often NOT possible, but there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that juries like to face the next week with a return to their real life.

GUILTY on all COUNTS

He is one BAD psychotic DUDE that finally got what he deserves!

OJ Simpson is remanded to custody after the verdict is read out in court. [BBC has the video clip on line]

OJ Simpson has been found guilty on 12 charges of armed robbery, conspiracy to kidnap and assault with a deadly weapon by a court in the US city of Las Vegas.
The former US football star and actor was accused of robbing two sports memorabilia dealers a year ago.
The armed robbery charges carry a mandatory jail sentence, and kidnapping carries a possible life term.
Simpson, 61, who denied the charges, was acquitted of murder in 1995 in what was dubbed "the trial of the century".

CONTINUE:

He knocked me on my ass once a coupe of years ago.

I used to work out at a gym in the same strip mall as the Hooligan's bar he likes to frequent. I had just gotten out of the gym at 2 in the afternoon, and was chatting current events with one of the personal trainers, and he comes barreling out of the bar stinking of smoke and booze. Before I had a chance to see what was going on, he trampled right over me on the way to his Escalade. He then backed into a parked car and sped off.

He's a dick.

During the murder trial, I was bartending the lunch shift. Customers bitched if I didn't have it on. I suffered through practically the whole damn thing. Now that this is over, I would gladly spent the rest of my life not hearing of him ever again. Unfortunately, I don't think my wish will be granted. Anyone want to take a pool on when he:

Does a 60 Minutes interview?

Writes the next- I Want to Tell You/If I Did It/Here's How/ book?

Gets religion?

I have to say the judge certainly took care of business at the end there.
Go Directly to Jail-
Do Not Pass "GO."
No Bail.

I watched this triial on CNN's live feed. This was a "Vigilante Verdict".
No wonder none of the jurors would speak to the press.

As I posted in another thread, "Vigilante Verdict".

I say that after having followed the entire trial on live feed.

I think at long last his search for the real killers is over.

My Dad saw OJ at a restaurant in downtown Miami. He saw people coming over to get his autograph. He was so disgusted he left.

OJ sightings in south Florida are kind of a bit like Elvis sightings. I think everybody's had one.

Personally, I think this is one of those "what goes around, comes around" moments. The closing chapter will read "OJ Simpson shiv'd in Nevada lock-up."

Yawn. The fall-out from the "bread and circuses" attention whores continues.

Kyoti

When is the sentancing?

do you know how tired I am of hearing about OJ?

Who are the vigilantes? The Jurors? The Judge? The Prosecutor? The Police? OJ got justice this time.

I wonder why OJ wouldn't speak to the jury.

Kinda hard not to have a guilty verdict this time - multiple eyewitnesses and cameras caught OJ & his entourage entering the hotel armed.

The only defense the defense could come up with is that they were taking back what was originally OJ's property - unfortunately, believe it or not, though, even if that holds true (i.e. they could argue they were his property at one time but were lawfully obtained for resale as memorabilia) - you don't have a right to use armed robbery and kidnapping to take them back.

At least maybe now Channel 7-WSVN will need another celebrity to stalk.

finally, justice is being served. it was so sickening that he was walking around society free for these 13 years.

Dec 5

Why wouldn't the smirking jury speak to the press?

The vigilantes are the jury, I felt the judge handled the case fairly.

Points:

People say he should have gone to the police. The police WERE contacted. They did nothing. The FBI was contacted. They did nothing. Nevada has a "no self-help" law. That means that if someone steals your purse and you later see their car with your purse sitting right in plain view on the front seat and go into their car to retrieve it, you are guilty of B&E and burglary.

OJ did not organize this event. He was in Vegas to attend a wedding. The guy who DID organize it, and taped it and subsequently went straight to the media, not the authorities, sold it for $210,000. He arranged it then called OJ and said hey, I know where your stuff is.

One of the parties in the case was caught on tape offering to do really well testifying against Simpson if he was paid enough. Other than the one guy who stood trial with him all of the others involved were given deals to testify against him.

One of the "victims" is heard on tape admitting to who had taken the items. OJ is heard telling the others to not take anything that wasn't his.

The main victim tried to have the charges dropped. After cooler heads prevailed he said he felt kidnapping and armed robbery had not occurred.

Guns. During the entire incident, which was on tape, NOBODY says anything about a gun. If someone pulls a gun on you are you going to continue your discussion/argument without reacting to it? I know I would yell "WTF???!!!", or "No!", or "Put that way!", or "So, you gonna shoot me?" or *something*.... a gasp, a scream, ANYTHING...

Company just arrived, can discuss this more in a bit if you like.

Finally guilty!!!!
I really think this motherfuc*er believed he was above the law. I hope his sorry a$$ gets sadomised in jail like there is no tomorrow.

I watched, too, as I had a personal connection to this.

And there were times, and certainly aspects to the prosecution and deals they made, where I would absolutely agree with you.

But when one distills the case to OJ being recorded asking if anyone showed their guns in the hallway where the cameras could have seen them, then expressing relief no one did, he was guilty of the charges. None of the absurdly conflicted interests of the witnesses, and their changing stories, and their astonishingly low character in general, could undo that piece of digital audio.

He was offered lesser charges in a plea, and he passed. That's Vegas, baby.

Eh, worse than that, he's a multiple murderer.

I've seen people I know stepping over furniture and elbowing others aside for a chance to lean in, extend a hand and say, "Hey, Juice, howz it goin'?!"

It is so revolting I can't tell you. People who I know are convinced he was guilty of murder break into broad smiles and change their pace so as to improve their chances to cross paths with him and shake hands or pat him on the back. People are fuct.

Well, in a few weeks you'll get a looooooong break.

'Twas the guns that made the difference, and a recording proved he was lying about not knowing anything about them. Had he not asked pals to bring guns, he'd be a hell of a lot better off today.

Fromong, Gilbert, Beardsley, Riccio, Gilbert - scum. Fucking scum every one of them. And this was the company "Juice" chose to keep.

I adored the judge. She was great. I'm sorry she never found grounds to sentence Galanter to death. But otherwise, she did a good job of sitting on him, and of scolding the prosecution for some really pathetic attempts to smear.



That's right. And that's why he's guilty.




Wow, you seem to have missed big parts of the testimony. AFTER the call "I know where your stuff is," multiple locations were suggested for the "recovery operation." They ran the gamut from Florida, to LA, to Vegas. It was OJ who decided to set up for Vegas when he would be there for a wedding. When OJ was on the plane on the way to Vegas, he knew one of the activities for the coming days was the "recovery."



Doesn't matter. See your graf above about Nevada law.



Again, you seem to have missed some relevant testimony AND an important piece of audio, the one where on the phone after the fact OJ asks if anyone took out their piece in the hallway where the hotel security cameras might have seen it. Assured that never happened, OJ says, and I'm paraphrasing, "Then they got nothin'. They've just got video of us goin' into the room and video of us coming out of the room."

I can't find reference of that tape, perhaps it was played during a bathroom break, can you point me to it?... not doubting it's existence but if it does I'm shocked the prosecution didn't play it over and over during their closing.
Simpson was stupid to go there but after a month of trying to get help from (unsympathetic) proper authorities, he jumped at the chance to retrieve personal items, photos, stuff that was worth more as family momento than what a collector could hawk them for.

As his lawyer analagized after the verdict, if someone went into a bank, armed, ductaped the employees and locked them in the safe, then stole a million dollars, they would face the exact charges as in this case. Sorry, I don't in any stretch of the imagination think that what happened here warrants a life sentence, and anyone who does is simply "Vendeta Verdict". That's not how the US system of justice works.... well, not supposed to, anyway.

Since you apparently need to be spoonfed the facts I found this for you by entering "Simpson, tape, and guns" into Google and selected the second link provided. http://feeds.latimes.com/~r/latimes/news/n...,0,902722.story

If you are going to come here and pretend to have paid attention to a relevent story at least study for your act beforehand so it doesn't come off as just plain sad.

On that we can agree


But I don't see that as what happened here. Self-help would be if he broke into a building and took them, or if the charge of armed force had been proven beyond my doubt. From what I heard on that tape, the guy told him who had taken the items, knew they were OJs and offered no resistance to his taking them back. Why did he not want to persue the kidnapping and armed robbery charges? I know I would want someone in jail if I had truly been the victim of an armed robbery.

So he worked it around his schedule. The guy was orchestrating his big OJ surprise visit on a person who thought he had a buyer for some stuff he obviously hadn't been able to move.

See my above on why I don't think that law applies here.

Point me to the tape that specifically has him saying that (not someone's testimony about it) if you want to persuade me. What witness presented the tape? I'll check my recordings.

Thought I had played back most of my recordings (am nursing a broken leg ) I need to go back and see what the defense said about it. I still think the guy offered no resitance not because he was scared, but because he knew the rightful ower of those stolen items was standing in front of him and he had been caught. I'm certainly surprised that if someone was waving a gun around in the motel room that no one reacted to it. For all we know the guy with the gun never actually pulled it out but talked it up in the adrenalaine of the afterwards, some guys do tend to grow stories as they go.

Two murders that anyone and everyone that was in So Cal at the time knows he committed.
People don't lead chases on the 405, in white Broncos, heading for Mexico, for nothing.

The chickens came home to roost in OJ's ass and it's about time.

Well smarty, I had googled simpson recorded gun and came up with articles about the gun issue being murky and the paid testimony about someone saying "put the gun down"... which is somehow not on the tape which was quickly hawked to media as an OJ armed robbery.

Damn, did I miss the slow speed chase?

But since you watched this trial on CNN's live feed you would have known better than that.

If OJ got charged, so should the other people that were there. If they did not, this is also a crime.

I did watch the live feed. Forgive me for missing something during a phone call or while pissing.

They all got gravy pleas to testify against OJ, except the one guy who felt innocent enough to stand trial with him.

Well, it has been deleted in subsequent versions of the AP stories in favor of updates on sentencing and statements form OJ's attorneys. And I'm unable to find an on-line resource to ctalogues of all the evidence and transcripts of tapes. But here's one story about this particular recording.

But I think the story is slightly misleading in that it appears to take disparate portions of the tape and connect them, when in fact the discussion took place all in one chuck.

Simpson asked McClinton, "Did you ever take out the piece when we were in the hallway?" McClinton immediately answered, "I kept that thing in my pocket till we got inside that room." Simpson then says the detective will be checking the hotel video tape and said "There ain't nothing on that video . . . ain't nothing he can see,. They gonna see us going in the place. They gonna see leaving us with just the boxes."

Golly, notice how OJ didn't say, "You kept WHAT thing in your pocket?"

Toast.

You mean Volume II? I don't think Glass will be inclined to free him while awaiting sentencing OR on appeal, largely based upon having been found in the Bronco with disguises, thousands of dollars and so forth.

Oh, come on - you know better than that. plea bargains, convincing cohorts to rollover for testimony happens hundreds of times every day.

It's not the prosecution's fault that OJ surrounded himself with scum, and that those deals had to be made with scum. As virtually every prosecutor has to point out to almost every jury in a criminal case, "We didn't decide who would be involved in this case. The accused did."

As it happens, the most serious records in the case were held by the alleged ringmaster and the alleged victims. The alleged co-conspirators were either clean- assholes who loved the chance to meet and and with OJ - or pikers compared to OJ, Riccio, Beardley, et al, either with petty records, or none at all.

Personally, I'm glad the prosecution didn't engage in its usual corrupt ploy of a jailhouse snitch. I'll bet money there were more than a few of them, too. Guys were probably standing in line to claim that OJ or cellies of the other players overheard confessions or admissions.

The issue is not as much whether or not OJ knew someone had a gun, the issue is whether the gun was used. If it never came out it wasn't armed robbery. The one with the gun is responsible for complying with any applicable CCW laws.

If OJ didn't do it, then why was he tried? If he wasn't guilty of all charges, why was he found guilty on all counts? He went in there with a plan. The plan was to get back his stuff that was sold outright and legally to a third party for re-sale. He decided to go get it back and sell it on his own, he just couldn't do it alone, he needed help. So he enlisted the help of fellow bad guys, some who were armed with guns. Every indication is that he is guilty beyond all recognition. If the cops said no thanks, we have real crimes to solve, he should've left it at that, but he didn't. He gets 25,000-30,000/month from his NFL pension, the total value of these things is 210,000. He should've just shut the fuck up, sat the fuck down, and remembered that his main lawyer from '95 is dead.

Maybe in a couple of the counts. But having shown up with that many people in order to intimidate the victims in these crimes and prevent them from leaving willingly would likely still put Simpson in a position of guilt on the kidnapping and robbery charges. The fact that guns were involved only worsened the case and made it more interesting for the media. But even if they had shown up with only their hands in their pockets crimes would still have been committed.