You want to know what's going on with the Worlds Economic System.

You've got to watch this video, and share this video, because we are a part of this world and we need to know.

Wake up yourself. Wake up the World.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

Great Post Eclectica!

If You want to find out How and What the FED, the IMF and the World Bank are DOING to THIS COUNTRY...Take the time to view THIS Video! If you want to see What Your Loan and interest is about and WHY...take the time to become educated on Banking economics and international Politics! Enough Said!

Could you be bothered to summarize, please?

A fairly non-critical summary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist:_Addendum

My question is, who is Peter Joseph, the apparent maker of the original Zeitgeist trilogy, and now this 2008 addendum?

As with any documentary film, I would want to know who the person was who made it, and what their agenda is.

It's strange there's very little biographical info I can find on him. People circulate his films all over the web, but nobody seems to know anything about the filmmaker.

It seems "Peter Joseph" is not "Peter Joseph".

http://zeitgeistmovieisfake.com/truth/

Peter Joseph is not a real name, it is a pseudonym, or alias. It is a fake name, it serves two purposes. Keeping the author anonymous for the most part, and adding extra zest to legitimacy of Zeitgeist The Movie. Both names are rather biblical, and combination of both is absolutely biblical. Names project goodness, and good will. In our society bible is a key, through one way or the other we are familiar with it. When someone with a biblical name does so called "divine" things, it is absolutely captivating. The man behind this alias chose Peter Joseph for this very reason.

Peter Joseph's real name is James Coyman. Based on my experience with this individual I would say he is a master manipulator. Peter Joseph knows the art of pickup, and he knows how to apply it toward things he does in order to get his way. He has the skills necessary to grab your attention, draw you into false manufactured reality, and leave you breathless and wanting to watch, buy, and do things for "the cause".

[snip]

http://lippard.blogspot.com/2008/06/zeitgeist-movie.html

"Zeitgeist: The Movie" was apparently put out by "GMP, LLC", which is a company based in Port Chester, NY registered to a James Coyman, who has been claimed to be the person behind the pseudonym "Peter Joseph" credited for the writing, producing, directing, and editing of the film. Other documents online associate GMP, LLC with John Giura, former vice chairman of north Chicago company CGI Holding Corporation (now Think Partnership, Inc., traded on AmEx under the symbol THK), a company with a subsidiary, WebSourced, Inc., which is "a leader in search engine marketing (see www.keywordranking.com) and on-line dating (see www.Cherish.com)." A John Giura has directed a music video for the Nashville, TN band Clem Snide, and a John P. Giura from New York City directed a 20-min short film called "Inside Trip" shown at the 2002 Maryland Film Festival, as well as some other videos found online attributed to him and his JPG Studio in NYC. The short festival film stars former Olympic wrestler John P. Giura, who has apparently lived in Oak Park, IL and New York City. In 1986, a John Giura of Oak Park, IL who was a partner in the firm of Stein, Roe, and Farnham, was charged by the SEC for participation in a complex "kickback and payoff" scheme which victimized Teamster union pension funds in upstate New York. It's not clear which, if any, of these is associated with the GMP, LLC that put out Zeitgeist.

[snip]

This would appear to be the guy.

http://appsext8.dos.state.ny.us/corp_publi..._results_page=2

Selected Entity Name: SAPRATA ENTERPRISES, INC.

Selected Entity Status Information
Current Entity Name: GMP, LLC
Initial DOS Filing Date: NOVEMBER 28, 2001
County: WESTCHESTER
Jurisdiction: NEW YORK
Entity Type: DOMESTIC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Current Entity Status: ACTIVE

Selected Entity Address Information
DOS Process (Address to which DOS will mail process if accepted on behalf of the entity)
MR. JAMES COYMAN
47 PURDY AVENUE
PORT CHESTER, NEW YORK, 10573

[snip]

Who is James Coyman? Why did he make this film? What is GMP LLC?

Web Skeptic's analysis of false and misleading claims in Zeitgeist.

http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/zeitgeist

They haven't gotten around to dealing with the addendum yet - but it was just released.

Here's their take on Part III and some of its claims (which seems to relate to material in the Addendum).

http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/zeitgeist-federal-reserve

Thanks you!!! Thank you!!! Thank you!!!

Very well done - this really, truely, is a must see.

sound bite seekers - just ignore, you can't handle the truth anyway.

Seeker - do you think the explanation of the problem is flawed or the proposed solution?

Road,

If I'm watching a film, I want to know who made it, at least especially if it's a documentary intended to persuade.

I would want to know that info about Obsession, Religulous, W., American Carol, or Boogie Man, just to name five recent examples I've discussed.

Here's my question. Who is James Coyman? Why does he hide behind the pseudonym "Peter Joseph"? What is GMP LLC and what else does it do? How come 6 million people have watched this film and not asked these questions first?

Coyman doesn't seem to be after money, at least not directly, since he seems fully willing for Zeitgeist to spread all over youtube free of charge. But what is he about? Who is he connected to? Wouldn't you want to know?

The problem is, the Addendum appears to repeat some of the claims in Part III, and according to Web Skeptic, some of the claims in part III are misleading or false.

So why should I trust Coyman or this film?

Seeker - what I pay attention to is the explanation of the finaicials and debt driven aspect of money. The manipulation process came out ringing true to my eye. Now, I keep an open mind to what I believe becoming wrong, as that seems to have been the "learning" process of all my experiences. I do science and one gets used to updates on what is right and wrong in that sort of work, so it isn't a big shock when it happens.

But it doesn't look wrong so far.

Road, what I don't like is obscurantism. I've watched the Addendum and he treats fractional reserve banking like it is a secret hidden by mysterious Illuminati high priests. Like, "ooooh, up until I just told you about how they make money from nothing, nobody knows how this works".

It might be complex and hard to understand, but it's not like there's no information on this subject other than what he says in Zeitgeist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking

What I'm wondering is if this guy is an "Austrian" and trying to promote the theories of the Von Mises school.

Did anyone watch 60 minutes last night? Well, it appears that financial system is seriously corrupted (duh). However, I doubt if there is a master plan of some secret meeting of the Illuminati or the Grand Masons who are orchestrating all this. It looks like a bunch of greedy bastards on Wall Street took us all to the cleaners.

"It began with a terrible bet that was magnified by reckless borrowing, complex securities, and a vast, unregulated shadow market worth nearly $60 trillion that hid the risks until it was too late to do anything about them. ...."

and the last statement from Jim Grant, the editor of "Grant's Interest Rate Observer.

There is no defending," Grant replies. "A trainee making 45,000 a year would have had the common sense not to bet the firm on mortgage contraptions that no one in the firm actually understood. That is not a deep point to comprehend. Somehow, through, I will call it a criminal neglect and incompetence, the people at the top of these firms chose to look away, to take more risk, to enrich themselves and to put the shareholders and, indeed, the country, itself, ultimately, the country's economy at risk. And it is truly not only a shame, it's a crime."


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/05/...in4502454.shtml

IMO, the problem is that it is NOT a crime. But it SHOULD BE.

The whole idea of corporations is to encapsulate the liability. So people who own/manage that world, and steer the corporation into unethical actions (perhaps with plausible deniability), can get their money out as individuals but the liability stays with the corporation. Then often the corporation goes under with no recourse for wronged customers/employees/investors.

It's the same principle you see all the time for individual gain: privatize the profits, socialize the losses; grab the glory, shed the blame; buy low; sell high; etc, etc.

exactly. Does the just-passed Bailout Bill make it a crime? Probably not.

The FBI is supposedly investigating Lehman Brothers, AIG, and many others for fraud.

I think we have a responsibility to demand Obama have all these guys fully investigated, if, as I suspect, the Bush admin drags its feet on this on the way out.

As a former officer of a NASDAQ-listed corporation, I had Director's and Officers Liability Insurance, carried by the company to protect managment from some kinds of suits. I didn't pay too much attention to it then, but here is a decent history and exposition of that kind of insurance. It excludes some areas of personal liability (like "willful" law-breaking), but represents another way that individuals liability was covered by the corporation.

There are too many ways that officers can wiggle out of responsibility for what they did. The best is to have a failing memory, or get real stupid suddenly.

This should be under CT with the rest of the CTs.

This should be under CT with the rest of the CTs.

Carmen if this ain’t Current Affairs – nothing is. Aliens at Area 51 it isn't (um, but let me finish the movie first and make sure).


Seeker – I easily ignore the fluff and bluster when it drifts by because I am trying to get a bigger picture than what I had. Same goes for the debunking when it says “This is about trying to tell people that religion isn’t about power”. If someone has an agenda but in the process gives me something I was looking for, that’s fine but they shouldn’t be upset when I miss their point.

Nah, this "Zeitgeist" crap is CT. They never get enough traction, so they have to keep remaking them, over and over again.

Carmen – Look, I watched the whole thing now. On a day when the DOW has dropped more than 3,200 since the first of the year, with a little up after every down day – it is a very simple to see and massive shift in power on this planet. The financial information shown, appears more valid as the DOW show goes on. The green stuff is about things that sure seem to matter unless global warming turns out to be a myth.

There is some pie in the sky parts that, while certainly not unappealing, won’t happen this week for sure

But to say it is Computed Tomography???


I am happy to understand more about the DOW vs $700,000,000,000 in my money. I learned a bit more about some of the green ideas out there. All in all, it was a good two hours spent.

All I can say about Zeitgeist is this.

Part I is interesting, but not really new. It's entirely based on the work of Gerald Massey, who died in 1907. I don't have much of a problem with it, in fact, strikes me that Ajax would have a much bigger problem with Part I than I would. I happen to totally agree that large swaths of Christianity are clearly cribbed from earlier astrological/mythological systems. However, the filmmaker never makes clear what part I has to do with Part II and III. BTW, the other major source for Part I is a woman named Acharya S.

Ajax would really not like her. She pretty much says Jesus was made up by powerful Roman families.
http://truthbeknown.com/
And hey look, she even has a Companion Guide to Zeitgest, surprise, surprise...

Well, if you've hung around the 9/11 subforum, I think you can guess how I feel about Part II. All I can say is Part II as far as 9/11 films goes is pretty poor, I mean it's not much better than Loose Change, to be terribly honest. The only 9/11 film I've ever found with any integrity and factuality that doesn't go off the deep end is Press for Truth. The bottom line is, even mining the truther genre per se can turn up stuff on youtube that's better than the stale stuff they're recycling in Part II.

As for Part III -- the stuff it says about the Federal Reserve is misleading at best, and the stuff it says about taxation is Aaron Russo-style tax protester nonsense which is just pretty darn false. As far as war profiteering, well yeah, except again I think focusing on bankers and ignoring the arms industry is a bit short-sighted.

I like the part in the Addendum where they deal with corpotocracy. I think that is the problem of our age, unfortunately, as usual, they didn't go deeply enough into the subject. They interviewed John Perkins, but didn't deal (unless I missed it) with the work of David Korten, who I think is much better.

Also, I like the Venus Project of Mr. Jacques Fresco (nice to see he's here in sunny Florida), but it's not like he's the only person who's had these ideas (i.e. a new ecological mode of design), and I find it kind of weird the film zeroes in on identifying his framework as "the" solution. Question 1 I would have would any connections between Coyman and Fresco.

The problem, Road, as I'm sure you're aware, is that times of crisis often cause people to act irrationally.

The first thing they look for is an identifiable group to blame and scapegoat. It's harder to blame economic policies and social institutions, who while occupied by people with names (or ethnicities), are ultimately the root cause of the problem, rather than the people themselves. The human mind isn't wired right to do this, although it should.

The second thing is they often turn to authoritarian figures who say they can lead them out of the crisis. I'm sure you know how that turned out in the 20th century: not so good, especially after, say, the collapse of the Weimar Republic.

I'm not saying the crisis isn't real. I'm not saying there aren't people to blame, but we should also focus on political and social and economic institutions and fix those, too.

I am saying that it's times like these that people look for oversimplified answers, and IMHO Zeitgeist is peddling them.

Seeker you know the truth for sure.

When people get lost they try to find someone who will lead them home to warm and fuzzy. Many of my very best times were had because, when lost, I just wandered more and studied where I found myself. Lost? Sure, but that’s when ones mind kicks in and can be more useful. Stimulating doesn't suck.

This is why Brazil told the IMF to simply go fuck itself, and is flat-out refusing to pay it's loans. Other countries are following suit, and Chavez has been just giving money out to Latin American countries and a few African ones to resist their economic slavery.

We should do the same with the FED.

Just refuse to pay out the interest, and buy out their original contract, then abolish the organization as was advised in the documentary "The Money Masters".

No way we should be paying interest on OUR OWN MONEY.