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politicalview
Ok. I understand how and why Republican operatives are claiming that Sarah Palin did a great job in the debate last week. That’s their job. That’s their goal. But the average voter? Are you kidding? I actually read where one person said that Sarah Palin has shown just how much a woman can accomplish.

Really? Seriously?

Does anyone think that dodging questions, winking at the camera and spewing rhetoric that is used unedited by Saturday Night Live in comedy skits, is the best that a woman can accomplish as a Vice Presidential nominee? If so, I think that’s pretty scary stuff. It shows how low the expectations are that have been set for Sarah Palin, and it shows how her inclusion onto the Republican ticket has actually hurt women in our country.

I’m old enough to remember an era when women were treated as naïve innocents, and when a woman expressed a genuine original thought the male response was a pat on the hand, a patronizing comment, and a suggestion to stick to the less complex work of cleaning the house. Through the sixties a hard fought battle ensued led by women who wanted more options in their lives. These women wanted to earn their own way in life without having to be dependent on a man for support. Their push for equality through the 70s and 80s slowly gave rise to the acceptance of women as not only workers, but as managers and executives.

At first, the acceptance of women into lower level jobs wasn’t a push. The expectations of women were so low that they could easily get low-pay jobs. But, as women began to show their true abilities, as they began to move up the corporate chain of command, the men who felt threatened began to raise the bar. Soon, the measures for a woman to achieve a high-pay position were much higher than those of men. For women to achieve, they had to work much harder for a lot less.

In recent years the playing field has leveled off some. As more and more women reach higher levels of management, the expectations have started to become more equal. Even though there’s still a lot of work to do, the situation has been steadily improving.

Enter Sarah Palin.

While some laud her as an example of what women can achieve, Sarah Palin truly represents the antithesis of what women have been trying to accomplish. Think about it. How low were the expectations for her in the debate? How many polls indicated that people felt she showed a greater knowledge than they thought she had? – AND SHE DIDN’T EVEN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!

Can you imagine Geraldine Ferraro or Elizabeth Dole or Sandra Day O’Connor dodging questions in a debate the way that Palin did this past week? I can’t. These women are experienced, knowledgeable and have too much respect for other women than to do anything but reflect class and intelligence. But they know the struggle. They know that their achievements were accomplished with the help of those before them. And they know that their achievements – good or bad – will have an affect on those women who come after them.

Sarah Palin doesn’t get this. I really don’t think that she even realizes the harm that she’s causing. She’s taken the expectations, the hopes and dreams of women and driven them back to the 1950s. She’s June Cleaver. She’s bright and cheery and folksy and ready to do whatever the men in charge tell her to do. This shouldn’t be surprising. She was picked, and is guided by, old white men who grew up in the 1940s and 1950s when women were in that subservient role and held to a different standard - a double-standard that the Republicans seem to be bringing back.

I don’t know what’s happened to the media in this country that they’re going along with this charade. In 1984, Vice Presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro would have been eaten alive by the press if she had conducted herself the way that Sarah Palin has. It appears to me that most women today are, and should be, offended by Sarah Palin.

I think it’s time for the media to reset the standard and start treating Sarah Palin like she’s a Vice Presidential nominee.
GCurry
QUOTE (politicalview @ Oct 6 2008, 09:39 AM) *
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I think it’s time for the media to reset the standard and start treating Sarah Palin like she’s a Vice Presidential nominee.

We could have our cake and eat it too. Imagine an interview structured like a Jeopardy game. Sarah could choose whatever questions she wanted, levels of difficulty $100-$500, and areas (Religion, Obama Bashing, Mom Questions, Trite Political Slogans, or Vice Presidential Questions. At least it'd be clear which questions she was answering.
RandiLover
She is the best thing that ever happend to SNL in years. That pretty much says it all. I recorded last Satudays show, it is a riot. Tina is a better Palin than Palin.
egghead
politicalview said:
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Sarah Palin doesn’t get this. I really don’t think that she even realizes the harm that she’s causing. She’s taken the expectations, the hopes and dreams of women and driven them back to the 1950s. She’s June Cleaver. She’s bright and cheery and folksy and ready to do whatever the men in charge tell her to do. This shouldn’t be surprising. She was picked, and is guided by, old white men who grew up in the 1940s and 1950s when women were in that subservient role and held to a different standard - a double-standard that the Republicans seem to be bringing back.


Perhaps giving her too much credit?

Stalwart conservative types, both genders are saying now she is not competent to be president at all. (Read David Brooks, Peggy Noonan, and Kathleen Parker)

Palin IS the McCain campaign's Pitt Bull attack dog (Ayers speech). Grrrrrrrrr. At this point I would rather be impaled in the heart than hear her voice again. But what's more important about her "voice" is the folksy reach-out to those who are, um, folksy.

I just want to make sure the folks are really listening to what Palin is putting out there. Are they checking the information that pours out of her mouth? Do the folks have time during this BIG SQUEEZING BUSH-HUG GOODBYE? (Having to work 3 jobs in a Bush economy can take up time.)

There is no doubt Palin is the "chosen one." And the Republicans push Palin out there as their Vee Pee pick. Yet I think they want to be "the ones" who make history first by selecting the first woman president (another W.-type selection -- by the way).

Yet, Palin (just like George W.) is beholden to the good ole boys that she attests to have taken down. Get real here. Palin hired Exxon funded scientists to appeal Polar Bear protections in her state of Alaska.
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Furthermore, I would not let my kid do a stay-over at the Palin house for the very same reasons Randi has stated. Because Palin is dishonest. And that is not what we liberals teach our daughters. The Palin household by all indicators is a dysfunctional, chaotic unit. My Sarah knows the difference between right and wrong, she loves her country and knows not to lie in order to gain power the easy way.

My Sarah knows there are no easy quick-fixes as Bushworld has promoted all these years. And NO, neither she or I know how to execute the wink-and-a-smile. We are too serious for that.
egghead
But here's the good news:

Most Americans are waking up today as they read through the news papers of some very good investigative journalism that has been conducted and is still being conducted for this country. Yes, Virginia, we do have real patriots in this country still.

What is a patriot? One who tells the truth in the midst of chaos brought on by tyrants. It's happened before in our country (robber barons) and I suppose it will happen again. Be assured that we are in the middle of that cycle of throwing the tyrants out. (Please see Wexler hearing today on Cspan 1)
politicalview
There is good journalism being done. Until recently I was concerned that no one would be able to see it, but with the large number of right-leaning pundits starting to expose Governor Palin I'm starting to gain hope. Maybe enough women will stand up and take notice of what she's doing to the image of women overall.

With the market drops today, attention will be focussed more on Obama's plan. My biggest fear is that there might be a desperate move on the part of Republicans. Remember Pat Tillman. Palin's son is in Iraq...
X-Ray-Spex
I think this thread is an insult to Barbara Billingsley who is and always will be a much better person than Sarah Palin.

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carmenjonze
QUOTE (X-Ray-Spex @ Oct 6 2008, 10:50 AM) *
I think this thread is an insult to Barbara Billingsley who is and always will be a much better person than Sarah Palin.

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politicalview
I must agree. My appologies to Barbara Billingsley. I think her greatest movie line applies to Palin...

"Jive ass dude don't know nothin' anyhow"
- Airplane!, 1980
egghead
QUOTE (X-Ray-Spex @ Oct 6 2008, 12:50 PM) *
I think this thread is an insult to Barbara Billingsley who is and always will be a much better person than Sarah Palin.

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AIRPLANE! biggrin.gif

Maybe Air Palin could take on that accent.
brotherdavid
Is Sarah Palin really June Cleaver?
Hardly.
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pestone
June Cleaver could pull a perfect, fully frosted cake out of the oven.
Sarah Palin pulls perfect, fully frosted lies out of her ass.
NamelessGenXer
QUOTE (egghead @ Oct 6 2008, 01:25 PM) *
But what's more important about her "voice" is the folksy reach-out to those who are, um, folksy.

You are kinder than me Eggy (and good for you). I would state it like this:

But what's more important about her "voice" is the folksy reach-out to those who are, um, HOPELESS DUMBFUCKS.


brotherdavid
Am suspecting that people who respond to Moose AmeriKKKa's voice are unaware of their own untenable nasality.

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egghead
QUOTE (brotherdavid @ Oct 6 2008, 02:07 PM) *
Is Sarah Palin really June Cleaver?
Hardly.
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Guess what? I was looking at Heather Wilson's evil sneering smile this weekend, and then her eyes with those devious hooded lids and I was scared!!! Then I thought. Hey!! She's trying to imitate Joan Crawford with hatchet and wire hanger in hand!! biggrin.gif
NamelessGenXer
QUOTE (egghead @ Oct 6 2008, 03:31 PM) *
Hey!! She's trying to imitate Joan Crawford with hatchet and wire hanger in hand!! biggrin.gif

And we all know how fond Fascist Barbie and her ilk are of wire hangers.
egghead
QUOTE (NamelessGenXer @ Oct 6 2008, 02:13 PM) *
You are kinder than me Eggy (and good for you). I would state it like this:

But what's more important about her "voice" is the folksy reach-out to those who are, um, HOPELESS DUMBFUCKS.


I have to direct the rage to one person at a time?

Palin is devious and is ready to ascend to the presidency as a selected president. That's their fucking plan.

Sorry guys this is NOT 1999, and we have had it with your nightmare. Go live it up in some Saudi's ass and please never come back to this country. angry.gif
brotherdavid
QUOTE (egghead @ Oct 6 2008, 12:31 PM) *
Guess what? I was looking at Heather Wilson's evil sneering smile this weekend, and then her eyes with those devious hooded lids and I was scared!!! Then I thought. Hey!! She's trying to imitate Joan Crawford with hatchet and wire hanger in hand!! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (NamelessGenXer @ Oct 6 2008, 12:33 PM) *
And we all know how fond Fascist Barbie and her ilk are of wire hangers.
Love the fetus, hate the child.




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Light3
ROFLMAO!

I would PAY to have a tape of Hilary's rants as she watches this woman during the debate and in interviews!! It would be priceless, venomous, and if Bill is there hilarious!
egghead
QUOTE (NamelessGenXer @ Oct 6 2008, 02:33 PM) *
And we all know how fond Fascist Barbie and her ilk are of wire hangers.


Oh, Gen-X Randi is on fire TODAY!!! Palin is vermin. She is low as they go. She has no love for America. She is gouging every American with her oil. And Phil Gramm is responsible for 60% of the price at the pump. And Gramm is McCain's best buddy.

She has figured it all out. And I'm sorry I didn't stomach the Hannity this weekend. I opted for watching Recount which was stomach ulcer inducing once again.
BonnieBitch
QUOTE (politicalview @ Oct 6 2008, 11:39 AM) *
It shows how low the expectations are that have been set for Sarah Palin, and it shows how her inclusion onto the Republican ticket has actually hurt women in our country.


Oh, honey, don't you know how it works by now?
The republi<censored>s frame the debate and the political landscape. Therefore, as they project through the republi<censored> media:

Dianne Feinstein: BITCH
Geraldine Ferraro: BITCH
Carol Mosley Braun: BITCH
Nancy Pelosi: BITCH
Hillary Clinton: BITCH

BUT

Scarah Palin -- Saint and Savior
Mann Coldfuck -- Brilliant Truth-Sayer
Michelle Malkin -- Intelligent Idealogue

Woman + (perceived) liberal = BITCH

We really ought to expose that lie sometime..........


NB: I do NOT believe the above; I am paraphrasing republi<censored> ideology. If that offends you, all I can say is:

GOOD, BECAUSE THAT PERCEPTION IS THE REALITY
X-Ray-Spex
QUOTE (BonnieBitch @ Oct 6 2008, 06:54 PM) *
GOOD, BECAUSE THAT PERCEPTION IS THE REALITY



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CassiesHassle
QUOTE (pestone @ Oct 6 2008, 02:12 PM) *
June Cleaver could pull a perfect, fully frosted cake out of the oven.
Sarah Palin pulls perfect, fully frosted lies out of her ass.



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carmenjonze
QUOTE (pestone @ Oct 6 2008, 12:12 PM) *
June Cleaver could pull a perfect, fully frosted cake out of the oven.
Sarah Palin pulls perfect, fully frosted lies out of her ass.



Oooo, bad visual. lol
politicalview
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Dianne Feinstein: BITCH
Geraldine Ferraro: BITCH
Carol Mosley Braun: BITCH
Nancy Pelosi: BITCH
Hillary Clinton: BITCH


So in other words, all the intelligent, thinking women are labelled "bitch" while the airheads are labelled "good girls" and "patriots". Sounds like a lowering of standards to me.

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