QUOTE (21tikcah @ Jun 4 2008, 08:27 AM)

I agree ... more Coal.
Plug-in electric cars, more coal and or nuke.
I have a feeling the Coal people are pushing all of this.
As we saw in 2003 the electric grid can not handle much more drain on it. And nothing
has been done to improve it nationwide.
Compressed air is very inefficient - will unfortunately cost more than electric hybrids.
$ per mile - but you will not notice it, at the pump !
Fuel cells are twice as wasteful as gas/electric.
Need a technological "break-through" on separating hydrogen from the compounds, that it is found in.
QUOTE (jkun17 @ Jul 7 2008, 02:33 PM)

Christ, what do you want? A car that runs on happy thoughts and smiles?
...
No, just noting the current "realistic" limitations ... Coal's predominant use now, public ignoring the 2001 California grid problems [continuing] and 2003 electric [blackout] grid problems ... in the Midwest ...
sorting out the

like you tube - marketing videos .... hype !!!!
If the air cars work what would keep them off the road in China and India - where they are not manipulated by corporations and the media representing them ??? And have the greatest energy demand in the world ?????
Not ignoring the obvious "ulterior motives" of the "existing Energy cabals ....."
Who do not want to give up their monthly billing monopolies ...
to individually owned solar and wind - that are available now !!!!!
No matter who they continue to pollute, kill and bill !!!!
QUOTE (jkun17 @ Jul 7 2008, 02:33 PM)

We still haven't begun to truly harness solar power, we're just starting to explore .....
and nuclear power (despite what everyone thinks) is only as dangerous as the people running the plant.
Starting to explore nuclear !!!!! .... we are sitting on 40+ years of waste
on each site, that need to be cooled constantly !!! Everyone of those plants are extremely hazardous; and the tax-payers have to subsidize them, because they are un-insurable.
No one will fund new plants, they have to be subsidized by
nefarious political manipulation - i.e. 2002 Cheney energy cabal. -
at the tax-payers expense again.
And no one wants it in their backyard !!!
Ignoring the possible nefarious threats....
build more targets !!!
Got links to your claims ????http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_civil...clear_accidentshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental...f_nuclear_powerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_...ar_power_plantsQUOTE (jkun17 @ Jul 7 2008, 02:33 PM)

(No one died after the 3 Mile Island melt down; Chernobyl was the fault of the techs.)
How many Chernobyl style plants do we still have running in the US ?
Do you know ???Chernobyl radiation, 10 years after the explosion ...

full size ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chernob...on_map_1996.svgThe plume drifted over extensive parts of the western
Soviet Union,
Eastern Europe,
Western Europe,
Northern Europe, and eastern
North America. Large areas in
Ukraine,
Belarus, and
Russia were badly contaminated, resulting in the evacuation and resettlement of over 336,000 people. According to official post-Soviet data,
[2] about 60% of the radioactive fallout landed in
Belarus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disasterQUOTE (21tikcah @ Jun 19 2008, 11:57 PM)

Wind and solar have all the problems solved .... tried and proven
TOTAL zero emissionfor eternity ... neither susceptible to human error, nor nefarious threats.
...
ignoring
existing ZERO emission,
no thousands of years commitment to cooling
and protecting - solar and Wind.
5 Megawatt wind turbinehttp://www.reuk.co.uk/Worlds-Largest-Wind-...e-Generator.htm
12 Megawatt Solar Farm located in Germany [higher latitude
than most of the USA]
Custom Built Solar Farms up to 2 Megawatts ...You have the location and the desire, but where do you start? A one or two megawattsolar farm is a major project, not to be taken lightly. Ranging in cost between $2.5 million to $6 million you want everything to run smoothly. http://www.ontariosolarfarms.com/solar-farm.htmlNot going to build comparable nuclear plants for ANYWHERE near that price.
http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index...l&pid=35481And will take 10 years or more to bring them on line !!!!!!
And they will cost 1000's of time more than wind/solar ... for 10,000+ years !