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Tyo
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On March 16, 2003, on the eve of the United States' invasion of Iraq, Pastor John Hagee took to the pulpit to warn of the coming Antichrist. In his sermon, "The Final Dictator," Hagee described the Antichrist as a seductive figure with "fierce features."

He will be "a blasphemer and a homosexual," the pastor announced. Then, Hagee boomed, "There's a phrase in Scripture used solely to identify the Jewish people. It suggests that this man [the Antichrist] is at least going to be partially Jewish, as was Adolph Hitler, as was Karl Marx."

This "fierce" gay Jew, according to Hagee, would "slaughter one-third of the Earth's population" and "make Adolph Hitler look like a choirboy."

So I was thinking it might be me. Seductive? Oh yeah. Definitely tongue.gif . Fierce Features? Takes some effort, but I can do it. Blasphemer? In the eyes of someone like Hagee, that would be a yes. Homosexual? I prefer "gay" or "queer". "Homosexual" is so clinical. Partially Jewish? Hmmm. If Hagee is right about this then I'm probably out of the running. I don't think I have a connection there.

All this, of course, begs the question... How can anyone believe in this crap? Christianity in its milder forms is too hard for me to swallow although it does attract some nice people. But when you add Revelation and all this apocalyptic stuff it puts it way over the top as far as I'm concerned and seems to make it a magnet for theocrats and whack jobs. Here's the link to the HP article
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenth...i_b_104608.html
visionari
Good try, but David Bender beat you to the punch on Rachel Maddow's show yesterday. (Assuming, Tyo, that you aren't David Bender.)
Tyo
QUOTE (visionari @ Jun 3 2008, 08:48 AM) *
Good try, but David Bender beat you to the punch on Rachel Maddow's show yesterday. (Assuming, Tyo, that you aren't David Bender.)


No, I haven't been David Bender for a couple of years. You can be David Bender for just so long before you can't do it anymore. I don't know who he is now.
visionari
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bushwa


Tyo, I don't why you're trying to steal the thunder that OBVIOUSLY belongs to Christian of "Project Runway."

By the way, are you sure it wasn't supposed to be fiercely Jewish and partially gay?

Randys
the real antichrist will be Sam Neill

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082377/
TammyStickers
How can one be "partially Jewish"? Either you practice Judaism or you don't. Either you don't believe that Jesus was the messiah and made the world the perfect place, or you do. Either you were born Jewish (or converted) or you didn't.
X-Ray-Spex
Rev. Hagee is the Anti-Christ. dry.gif
visionari
QUOTE (TammyStickers @ Jun 3 2008, 01:20 PM) *
How can one be "partially Jewish"? Either you practice Judaism or you don't. Either you don't believe that Jesus was the messiah and made the world the perfect place, or you do. Either you were born Jewish (or converted) or you didn't.

What if you were born to a Jewish family, follow Jewish traditions (go to temple, follow a kosher diet, celebrate Jewish holidays out of respect for the family and traditions of the faith, etc) but aren't a believer?
visionari
I know a helluva lot of partially-Catholic people.
Cabby
Partially Jewish?
Which part?
Viewer
QUOTE (visionari @ Jun 3 2008, 12:30 PM) *
What if you were born to a Jewish family, follow Jewish traditions (go to temple, follow a kosher diet, celebrate Jewish holidays out of respect for the family and traditions of the faith, etc) but aren't a believer?
Tammy's right. You don't have to be a believer. If you are Jewish by Jewish law, not practicing doesn't make you "not" or "part." (If you believe in another religions, ie Christianity, Buddhism, Islam...some would argue that takes you out -- but still not "part")

Groucho asked a country club that wouldn't let him join (because he was Jewish), if his kids could go in part way, since they were only 'half Jewish.'
ABQ
He probably has in mind another bastard Rothchilde, like Hitler or Stalin.
I would think that Eric Prince of Blackwater would be the 'Prince of Darkness'.
Tyo
QUOTE (bushwa @ Jun 3 2008, 09:23 AM) *
Tyo, I don't why you're trying to steal the thunder that OBVIOUSLY belongs to Christian of "Project Runway."

By the way, are you sure it wasn't supposed to be fiercely Jewish and partially gay?


Okay, I admit that Christian has a lot of Anti-Christ potential. Provided he doesn't die of barfness first. rolleyes.gif But his assessment of Asians is spot on and not just Asian women. That's why I really think that it ought to be me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOe6DDbLGAs...feature=related

As for Sam Neil, I donno. Is he fierce enough? He's got a good look for it.

I dated a partially gay guy once. Big mistake. He wasn't fiercely anything except mixed up.
CowboySteve
QUOTE (TammyStickers @ Jun 3 2008, 11:20 AM) *
How can one be "partially Jewish"? Either you practice Judaism or you don't. Either you don't believe that Jesus was the messiah and made the world the perfect place, or you do. Either you were born Jewish (or converted) or you didn't.


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It's a lousy job, but the TIPS ARE GREAT! (pa-ching!)
Thank you, you've been a wonderful audience....
CowboySteve
Ummm...Houston, we have a problem..

QUOTE (Revelations)
And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel
Then I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.
And I heard a voice from heaven, like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder, and the voice which I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps.
And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth.
These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb.


These are the only people of the First Resurrection, and they will occupy Heaven alone for a thousand years.

Great. It's the Village. 144,000 Jews who are "light-in-the-sandals" get to go to heaven first. Tell the Pastor that Heaven's gonna have ferns, and be very tasteful. Or you better hope that the Bible's not literal. Afraid the "first fruits" part might be...

PS: If I've offended any gay and/or Jewish people, sorry - but take it out on the Pastor Haggee.
danisnape
QUOTE (Tyo @ Jun 3 2008, 10:44 AM) *
So I was thinking it might be me. Seductive? Oh yeah. Definitely tongue.gif . Fierce Features? Takes some effort, but I can do it. Blasphemer? In the eyes of someone like Hagee, that would be a yes. Homosexual? I prefer "gay" or "queer". "Homosexual" is so clinical. Partially Jewish? Hmmm. If Hagee is right about this then I'm probably out of the running. I don't think I have a connection there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenth...i_b_104608.html


maybe if you are circumsized? wink.gif
Tyo
QUOTE (danisnape @ Jun 3 2008, 07:41 PM) *
maybe if you are circumsized? wink.gif


As much as I'd like the job, there are limits to what I'm prepared to do to get it. rolleyes.gif

I think the whole Jewish thing might be a misinterpretation anyway. Christ was Jewish. I don't think it's right or fair that you have to be Jewish to be the anti-Christ too. I can't believe that God would have set it up that way.
Seeker1
Falwell also claimed the Antichrist would be Jewish -- although the Book of Revelation never says so.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/rel_war/falwell_jews.htm

In fact, if you read the references that John of Patmos makes over and over again to the 'Beast' and its geography, he makes quite clear Antichrist is Roman, and the figure he had in mind was the Emperor Nero.


gabriel777
According to I Jn there are many antichrists.

"even now are there many antichrists" (1 John 2:18 )

According to the New Testament, antichrist is anyone who denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

It doesn't say anything about being Jewish.

I have often thought that because Jesus identifies with the least of His brethren, He actually incarnates in us, in a spiritual manner, and we become one with Christ, and embody Christ in our bodies...He is the cause of our union with God and one another...

We are made to be God bearers, if you believe the Good News.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jun 3 2008, 09:24 PM) *
Falwell also claimed the Antichrist would be Jewish -- although the Book of Revelation never says so.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/rel_war/falwell_jews.htm

In fact, if you read the references that John of Patmos makes over and over again to the 'Beast' and its geography, he makes quite clear Antichrist is Roman, and the figure he had in mind was the Emperor Nero.


As did Robertson

"The Antichrist is probably a Jew alive in Israel today."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson

No date given for this, but I believe it was circa 1992.
Tyo
They've got to see it as convenient or advantageous in terms of the story they are telling for the anti-Christ be Jewish. But I'm not familiar enough with thinking here to know exactly what their reasons would be.
Seeker1
Their reasons? An anti-Semitic streak within Christianity that goes back to John Chrysostom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Chrysost...zing_Christians

Chrysostom held Jews responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus and deicide (killing God, see "Jewish deicide" for the subject) and added that they continued to rejoice in Jesus's death.[38] He compared the synagogue to a pagan temple, representing it as the source of all vices and heresies.[39] He described it as a place worse than a brothel and a drinking shop; it was a den of scoundrels, the repair of wild beasts, a temple of demons, the refuge of brigands and debauchees, and the cavern of devils, a criminal assembly of the assassins of Christ.[40] Palladius, Chrysostom's contemporary biographer, also recorded his claim that among the Jews the priesthood may be purchased and sold for money.[41] Finally, he declared that he hated the synagogue and the Jews

[snip]

Much as I think Hagee is a whackjob on most matters, at least he openly and honestly discusses this history.


Tyo
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jun 4 2008, 05:46 AM) *
Their reasons? An anti-Semitic streak within Christianity that goes back to John Chrysostom.

Much as I think Hagee is a whackjob on most matters, at least he openly and honestly discusses this history.


Simple as that. I guess best and most successful and long-lived horrible nasty self-serving concepts often are the simplest ones.

TammyStickers
QUOTE (visionari @ Jun 3 2008, 01:30 PM) *
What if you were born to a Jewish family, follow Jewish traditions (go to temple, follow a kosher diet, celebrate Jewish holidays out of respect for the family and traditions of the faith, etc) but aren't a believer?


Then you are Jewish, just not a believer.
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