karagon
Jun 6 2008, 04:44 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 03:03 PM)

karrogon some things are ingraned to memory, edwards did not get 1% so his % read zero in the tv division
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21226006/Your "ingraned" [ingrained] memories are incorrect
rottmom
Jun 6 2008, 04:44 PM
rottmom
Jun 6 2008, 04:45 PM
znarfk
Jun 6 2008, 04:45 PM
alfredo let me get this, black people knew what bill was to say about jessee jacksons result and the result this year before they voted. is that how you see it please democrats beef up
carmenjonze
Jun 6 2008, 04:46 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 02:07 PM)

gutterballz the answer is yes it is all intended. and if not, soon taken advantage of.why is it so hard to get that other than the geraldine problem if you mention blacks as a group anything your attacked for that and there is no thinking
You just want to whine about The Blacks
Your complaints aren't valid and you can't substantiate them.
The Blacks didn't vote the way you thought we should. Oh, what a travesty.
rottmom
Jun 6 2008, 04:46 PM
karagon
Jun 6 2008, 04:46 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 03:05 PM)

arrogon bingo you hit it on the head so i can make this point, nobody thinks hillarys messae was not intended to get femenists and women she knew she needed to win, how is it you obama people think he did not do the same targeting with those he needed. does the admission he went for blacks and got them really force you to looseo your sense of reality
IDENTITY POLITICS IS NOT EQUAL TO VOTING FOR POLITICIANS YOU IDENTIFY WITH
You TOTALLY don't get that. It's saying exactly the opposite. It means EXACTLY the opposite. It doesn't require targeting. The same way that Hillary didn't target white female baby-boomers until after Iowa but she still won them by a small margin.
znarfk
Jun 6 2008, 04:47 PM
karogon no they are not he did not get 1% of the black vote i did nto say he did not get a handful
carmenjonze
Jun 6 2008, 04:47 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 02:10 PM)

black people
Your #1 anxiety.
karagon
Jun 6 2008, 04:47 PM
QUOTE (rottmom @ Jun 6 2008, 03:07 PM)

I'm talking citation of one's sources. I want to see where you got this information. If you are going to speak in facts, then you need to back them up. Where did you get 90% of blacks (I have to assume you mean voting for Obama) overnight?
It was my understanding that the voting was pretty even until the Clinton's brought up the race card because a lot of people didn't consider Obama "black enough".
Obama did always have an advantage among blacks rottmom. It just didn't get so HUGE until after S. Carolina.
znarfk
Jun 6 2008, 04:48 PM
arrogon 90% plusof blacks in america identify with obama who can be the first black president ever. they identify with a dream come true and tha tis reason to vote for him
karagon
Jun 6 2008, 04:49 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 03:10 PM)

alfredo let me get this, black people knew what bill was to say about jessee jacksons result and the result this year before they voted. is that how you see it please democrats beef up
I want to reply to this. But it makes no sense. So booglesoanrs.
rottmom
Jun 6 2008, 04:50 PM
QUOTE (karagon @ Jun 6 2008, 05:12 PM)

Obama did always have an advantage among blacks rottmom. It just didn't get so HUGE until after S. Carolina.
I want to see citation for these facts. You cannot just spew bullshit and expect us to buy into it. It does not work that way here. Show me where you got this information, or take it back.
karagon
Jun 6 2008, 04:51 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 03:12 PM)

karogon no they are not he did not get 1% of the black vote i did nto say he did not get a handful
You didn't click the link. Unless that was a typo [Kucinich -> Edwards]
rottmom
Jun 6 2008, 04:51 PM
znarfk
Jun 6 2008, 04:51 PM
carmen says the blacks did not vote the way i wanted them to. i leave on that note that is correct. but it makes my point perfectly clear aned proves my position 100%. I was for hillary because if we dont get obama the party does not divide. now look at her post. taunting me a hillary supporter that blacks did not go as i wanted. that is divided by definition. obamas very entry created it. thanks for proving my point
Ishmael
Jun 6 2008, 04:52 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 03:13 PM)

arrogon 90% plusof blacks in america identify with obama who can be the first black president ever. they identify with a dream come true and tha tis reason to vote for him
Hey! I'm the WHITEST guy in America and I identify with Barack. In the RRMB tradition, I post proof to that effect:

But then, according to the Leakeys, we're all African-Americans now aren't we?
karagon
Jun 6 2008, 04:52 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 03:13 PM)

arrogon 90% plusof blacks in america identify with obama who can be the first black president ever. they identify with a dream come true and tha tis reason to vote for him
Yes and 61% of white people are KKK member racists! That was a stupid statement if not flat out racist in itself.
znarfk
Jun 6 2008, 04:53 PM
carmen says the blacks did not vote the way i wanted them to. i leave on that note that is correct. but it makes my point perfectly clear aned proves my position 100%. I was for hillary because if we dont get obama the party does not divide. now look at her post. taunting me a hillary supporter that blacks did not go as i wanted. that is divided by definition. obamas very entry created it. thanks for proving my point
X-Ray-Spex
Jun 6 2008, 04:53 PM
This is all diatribe because the point is moot.
Barack Obama is the Democratic candidate and the next President of these United States.
Quit your whining and deal with it.
(Having said that go ahead and have fun beating up this child. Enjoy!)
carmenjonze
Jun 6 2008, 04:54 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 02:13 PM)

arrogon 90% plusof blacks in america identify with obama who can be the first black president ever. they identify with a dream come true and tha tis reason to vote for him
Another one who doesn't know any Black People but thinks they know all about us.
Survey says...
znarfk
Jun 6 2008, 04:54 PM
karrogon. the point is the overwhelming support of blacks was a nessaary part of his win both before the fact and now after when we can count and see that it is. that is not an accident
rottmom
Jun 6 2008, 04:54 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 05:16 PM)

carmen says the blacks did not vote the way i wanted them to. i leave on that note that is correct. but it makes my point perfectly clear aned proves my position 100%. I was for hillary because if we dont get obama the party does not divide. now look at her post. taunting me a hillary supporter that blacks did not go as i wanted. that is divided by definition. obamas very entry created it. thanks for proving my point
It doesn't say a thing for me. I want you to give me a citation for where you got your facts. NOW!
karagon
Jun 6 2008, 04:54 PM
QUOTE (rottmom @ Jun 6 2008, 03:15 PM)

I want to see citation for these facts. You cannot just spew bullshit and expect us to buy into it. It does not work that way here. Show me where you got this information, or take it back.
Same place I sent znarf for his/her completely false assertion about Edwards.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21226006/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225980http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225994
Alfredo
Jun 6 2008, 04:55 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 02:16 PM)

carmen says the blacks did not vote the way i wanted them to. i leave on that note that is correct. but it makes my point perfectly clear aned proves my position 100%. I was for hillary because if we dont get obama the party does not divide. now look at her post. taunting me a hillary supporter that blacks did not go as i wanted. that is divided by definition. obamas very entry created it. thanks for proving my point
Again, "HOW DARE anyone run against Princess Hillary Clinton on her quest to be crowned Queen Hillary I of the Republic of the American States."
Stoon
Jun 6 2008, 04:55 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 05:09 PM)

next attack is easy geraldine, she was right in her statement. and if the democrats were fair to her and hillary in the media they would have said the obvious, hillary, without bill is not where she is either. that is not femenist it has to do with name recognition. and geraldines point was right as well. but we need to attack those things not adress them
Ah, Barack Obama only got where he was because he is black. Yes, because everybody knows what an advantage being black is in the US. Everybody remembers what an advantage being black was in the campaign of President Jesse Jackson, and President Alan Keyes. Why, mothers of black children are disappointed in them when they don't become President.
You're not a listener to Randi, are you?
carmenjonze
Jun 6 2008, 04:55 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 02:16 PM)

carmen says the blacks did not vote the way i wanted them to. i leave on that note that is correct.
Too f'n bad.
QUOTE
but it makes my point perfectly clear aned proves my position 100%.
No, it doesn't. Your point remains full of crapola, but you've certainly laid bare your race resentments against The Blacks
We don't have to do ANYTHING you say.
znarfk
Jun 6 2008, 04:56 PM
karrogon. the point is the overwhelming support of blacks was a nessaary part of his win both before the fact and now after when we can count and see that it is. that is not an accident and karrogon there is nothing racist about saying blacks are proud of obama the first black president and have a special pride. frankly if you think jews dont vote for jews irish for irish and so on and so on in america you live in some desoate plalcle with no people and i appologise
carmenjonze
Jun 6 2008, 04:58 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 02:21 PM)

karrogon. the point is the overwhelming support of blacks
Show us the campaign for The Black Vote.
I am so sick of you people whining about this issue.
znarfk
Jun 6 2008, 04:59 PM
karrogon i recall teh pie of that night giving edwards zero percent of blacks in his home state. but if your point is if he got 1% that is meaningful, your waisting your time. obama a stranger to that state and virtuale new comer got a gaint % compared to edwards who was senator there and tireless also in civil rights there
KaydensMommy
Jun 6 2008, 05:00 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 04:01 PM)

no blacks is a terrible thing to say. I am talking 90% overnight. and let me blow everything i am hearing out of the water for good. obama won with a black voter cconstituency that was overwhelming. you obama people want to act like his campaign jost got those people without targeting them, looking for them or spending all those millions ignoring them as a group, even though they helped for his winning margin go ahead lol
It seems like you are mad at blacks for exercising their right to vote for the canidate that they chose. You also seems a little insulting to blacks.... as if they had to be "targeting" to make a judgement that was right for them and their family. Are you a racist?
karagon
Jun 6 2008, 05:00 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 03:19 PM)

karrogon. the point is the overwhelming support of blacks was a nessaary part of his win both before the fact and now after when we can count and see that it is. that is not an accident
I wish you'd use a spell-check and stop ignoring pieces of people's responses to you. Before the comments from the Clinton camp about MLK, Jesse Jackson, White hard-working Americans, Ferraro, Rev. Wright, etc. It wasn't divided. The VAST majority of those black voters were FINE with Clinton winning. THAT ISN'T DIVISION. That's a vote for someone and nothing more. The division is where you see these people who will be voting for McCain because Clinton didn't win. It's the vitriolic hatred of Obama. THAT'S what Randi is saying that Clinton needs to show leadership to address. Obama himself [Not letting all of his supporters off the hook] had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with this.
znarfk
Jun 6 2008, 05:00 PM
rotman what facts do you want lol. hillary was in the race before obama, or hillary was favorite before he got into it, or things like that,
karagon
Jun 6 2008, 05:01 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 03:24 PM)

karrogon i recall teh pie of that night giving edwards zero percent of blacks in his home state. but if your point is if he got 1% that is meaningful, your waisting your time. obama a stranger to that state and virtuale new comer got a gaint % compared to edwards who was senator there and tireless also in civil rights there
I'm not giving you a number so I can keep proving that you refuse to go on the site and check the facts. It's a painfully low number, but you continue to show that you refuse to actually check your facts.
Ishmael
Jun 6 2008, 05:02 PM
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jun 6 2008, 03:20 PM)

Too f'n bad.
No, it doesn't. Your point remains full of crapola, but you've certainly laid bare your race resentments against The Blacks
We don't have to do ANYTHING you say.
Now, Now carmen. Leave Ofay Miss Thang to her illusions. If she chooses to vote for "Ace" Jonah McCain in a rit of fealous jage, we aren't going to be able to stop her. All we can do is try to be more enlightened to our more ignorant countrymen and be this:

To shock them from their complacency so they can see the world as it IS, without illusion.
carmenjonze
Jun 6 2008, 05:02 PM
QUOTE (karagon @ Jun 6 2008, 02:25 PM)

The division is where you see these people who will be voting for McCain because Clinton didn't win.
Exactly.
That is the stupidest political position I have ever seen, and that's saying a lot.
znarfk
Jun 6 2008, 05:02 PM
karrogon you did not take anything into consideration for the fact blaks who had their own radio shows were skeptical he could win and yes supported hillary and turned on a dime the day it seemed he was truly viable on thier redio shows
carmenjonze
Jun 6 2008, 05:03 PM
QUOTE (Ishmael @ Jun 6 2008, 02:27 PM)

Now, Now carmen. Leave Ofay Miss Thang to her illusions. If she chooses to vote for "Ace" Jonah McCain in a rit of fealous jage, we aren't going to be able to stop her. All we can do is try to be more enlightened to our more ignorant countrymen and be this:

To shock them from their complacency so they can see the world as it IS, without illusion.
Ofay?
Alfredo
Jun 6 2008, 05:03 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 02:25 PM)

rotman what facts do you want lol. hillary was in the race before obama, or hillary was favorite before he got into it, or things like that,
Is it officially your position that nobody should have been allowed to run against Hillary or is it your position that a black man should not have been allowed to run against Hillary?
karagon
Jun 6 2008, 05:03 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 03:21 PM)

karrogon. the point is the overwhelming support of blacks was a nessaary part of his win both before the fact and now after when we can count and see that it is. that is not an accident and karrogon there is nothing racist about saying blacks are proud of obama the first black president and have a special pride. frankly if you think jews dont vote for jews irish for irish and so on and so on in america you live in some desoate plalcle with no people and i appologise
No that wasn't your point. Your point was that Obama intentionally *DIVIDED* the party. And that's BS... or should I say Znarfk-S since it wasn't a bull who's ass it came out of.
X-Ray-Spex
Jun 6 2008, 05:03 PM
QUOTE (Ishmael @ Jun 6 2008, 05:17 PM)

Hey! I'm the WHITEST guy in America and I identify with Barack. In the RRMB tradition, I post proof to that effect:

But then, according to the Leakeys, we're all African-Americans now aren't we?
Only one question Ishmael (and you know I love you so please don't be offended).
A belt and suspenders??????? W'sup wit dat?
KaydensMommy
Jun 6 2008, 05:03 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 04:16 PM)

carmen says the blacks did not vote the way i wanted them to. i leave on that note that is correct. but it makes my point perfectly clear aned proves my position 100%. I was for hillary because if we dont get obama the party does not divide. now look at her post. taunting me a hillary supporter that blacks did not go as i wanted. that is divided by definition. obamas very entry created it. thanks for proving my point
So no one should have gotten in her way because she was entitled to the nomination. You must really love freedom?????
gutterballz
Jun 6 2008, 05:04 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 05:19 PM)

karrogon. the point is the overwhelming support of blacks was a nessaary part of his win both before the fact and now after when we can count and see that it is. that is not an accident
"blacks" do you mean black people or African americans?
In general elections Democrats get overwhelming African American support regardless of race of the candidate
Sen Obama's numbers represent general election numbers
You really should research voting demographics of Democrats as opposed to republicans
karagon
Jun 6 2008, 05:04 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 03:27 PM)

karrogon you did not take anything into consideration for the fact blaks who had their own radio shows were skeptical he could win and yes supported hillary and turned on a dime the day it seemed he was truly viable on thier redio shows
That must by why Maxine Waters switched too. Did you ever do those fact/opinion exercises in 1st grade?
znarfk
Jun 6 2008, 05:05 PM
love libeals accusing of racism. they just dont get it. like most who spent a lifetime fighting it,we do not get intimidated like guilty gopers do and back down. especially when the racsim is coming from the other side
znarfk
Jun 6 2008, 05:06 PM
karrogon 90% now did you think that meant number of people or that i was not including ten percent of maxine waters body in my statement like perhaps her head lol
KaydensMommy
Jun 6 2008, 05:07 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 04:24 PM)

karrogon i recall teh pie of that night giving edwards zero percent of blacks in his home state. but if your point is if he got 1% that is meaningful, your waisting your time. obama a stranger to that state and virtuale new comer got a gaint % compared to edwards who was senator there and tireless also in civil rights there
Edwards??? Kerry/Edwards didn't pull down S.C. in 2004.
carmenjonze
Jun 6 2008, 05:08 PM
QUOTE (znarfk @ Jun 6 2008, 02:30 PM)

love libeals accusing of racism. they just dont get it.
"They"? Thought you were so liberal yourself, you Civil Rights Activist you.
QUOTE
like most who spent a lifetime fighting it,we do not get intimidated like guilty gopers do and back down. especially when the racsim is coming from the other side
Learn how to spell.
You're really not very good at this, at all.
znarfk
Jun 6 2008, 05:09 PM
no my point aonce again is not he didnt and shoulnt get into the race. my point is not that she was entitled, neither of those things are true or anything i ever said. it is just ironici randi felt she had the sole abligation of stopping the division when his entering the race and running of necessity created teh very divide we see and any of you obama people start taking responsiblity that your desire to have him split us up and it is your job to get us back
TapDuncan
Jun 6 2008, 05:10 PM
Oh so now we're typing in all lower case. Wow. Never thought I'd have seen this. I mean really, you went from all CAPS to all lower case in one half post. Look, I know it's lonely in the bayou, I've been there, but really, isn't it time to go poaching something? I feel like I'm communicating with the Russians, who have at best, a limited ability to speak ENGLISH!!! Stop listening to your parents, they are wrong. Rush is a moron and a liar, so stop it. Take off the blinders and try to be your own man/woman, it really is liberating..
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