karrogon of those giant black majorities he got in missippi and the later southern states, how many voted because of bills statement. how many even remembered it

Aww, poor you, The Blacks didn't follow your personal desires and dictates.

Now let's throw a tantrum about it, and blame The Blacks for ruining your day, those ungrateful bastards.

He used fear to create an economic bubble (WAY better than war for sure). That bubble ended the reign of poverty in my familly, but he's no FDR.

Most of us will never forget it.

Then let's look at some key facts.

Dems are outpolling Repubs in the primaries and registrations at a 2to1 margin in favor of the dems. The youth vote WILL come out for Obama because it's their asses being sent off to fight and die in Bush's War for Oil. The white working class will vote for Obama if we can make them see that they have more in common with the unemployed Black Man than with the Rich white guy who sent their jobs to China. Hell, I even have my die-hard Repuke son-in-law thinking about Obama now and even my wife's racist ex-husband, Richard I, is voting for Obama. The Mountain IS coming to Mohammed. Just remember this. Republicans count on a close election to steal it. If we blow their doors off in numbers like it seems we'll be able to do, we can not only ensure a Democratic Presidency, but also a veto-proof majority in the Senate and House and No Chance of election Theft.

When I watched the primary returns in Ky and NM, one number stood out for me. Each democratic candidate in both primaries outpolled the entire Republican field. That bodes well for us.

Again...

NAFTA

Media Deregulation

Welfare Reform

Hallibuton Contracts w/ Military

Bank Deregulation

I could go on and on......

I gather that there's some ignorance about the record here in general. Let me expand on KaydensMommy's point.




= The end of manufacturing in America. The outsourcing of most of the country's non-service-based low-skilled labor. For what was left, wages stagnate and fall to scraps due to inflation.



= FOX News (Fair and Balanced) Need I say more?



= Increase of levels of poverty among those in poverty. A famous phrase came out of this debate: welfare queens. While most people on welfare at this point were white, that was the definition of a black mother with babies from other daddies who live off of the state. It was fundamentally racist. Besides that, people gaming the state accounted for a very small minority of those on welfare. The rest of us got completely screwed. And combined with NAFTA, it became impossible for those who had no education to make a living. Those two put together literally destroyed most welfare families for a generation. Some didn't reap the benefits of the Clinton economy. Those families are still destroyed. But many of us got screwed and then saved by Clinton's policies.



= The primary reason we're still in Iraq



= The cause for our current economic woes and will continue to be such for at least several more months if not years.

The whole premise of this topic is so wrong, it is almost pathetic! Even before that "It will be me" comment that Hillary made to Katie Couric early on, she and her supporters thought it was inevitable! From that point on, her supporters believed the script they were handed. From her loss in Iowa until this day, there has been a bevy of excuses as to why the script was being edited! Obama and his team saw early on that there was a weakness in her campaign. Obama saw that there was a desperate need to take this country in a different direction. It's his fault because many in this country who have supported Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush can't see the games, horror and insanity that have been reigned upon this country?
Stop using your laziness and racism as an excuse to not support Obama. Stop using your need to vote for a woman, any woman to not vote for Obama! Stop remember the Clinton years in the rear view mirror and look at the good and bad of the Clinton years.
Black people have voted for white candidates forever! For freaking ever! This lame argument that people of color are voting for him because he is "black" ignorantly ignores the evidence. Plus, it is racist on its face. His mother was a white woman from Kansas. I know that is uncomfortable for you "Rev. Wright" crusaders, because it doesn't fit into your convenient meme. Also, please don't be Catholic and trot out Wright! If you are still sitting in the pews at mass, and you didn't walk out after the pedophilia carnival of shame, you should just stop! Why hasn't your sorry butt left the church? If you are just a plain ole' tired and dyed in the wool racist...just be honest about it! People would accept it more. That's the thing about racists. They can't be honest in polite society. Thus, from the beginning...the white hoods and sheets! If you are a feminist, and you are blaming Obama for Hillary's divisiveness and failure, your argument is equally as weak! Wasn't the whole premise of feminism the ability to be judged by your merits and not your sex? What's up with the whining and blame game!
I am a former Clinton supporter. The 17 year melodrama and the inability not to ever, ever apologize for anything is stunning! The need to make everything about them is sad! To steal the spotlight on Obama's accomplishments when he legitimately won the delegate count was selfish, petty and rude! From his actions, I know if the shoe were on the other foot, he would have not left her hanging for 3-4 days before he conceded or acknowledged the historic meaning of her win! She could have been brilliant! Instead, she was like Scarlet O'Hara in "Gone With The Wind." Confusing stubborn behavior and a willingness to suspend reality with strength. "Harriet" of You Tube fame is the perfect vessel for her rabid supporters! You don't want to vote for Obama because he is a man, first and foremost...and in Harriet's mind and yours, he is "an inadequate black male!" Stop being intellectually dishonest and just vote for McCain! If you get him and we all suffer...you can forever be the Scarlet O'Hara that you really long to be, and we will all live in terror instead of "Tara!"

Actually coco, it seems that znarf WILL be supporting Obama. It's not an excuse it's just a last minute kick in the face not just to Obama, but to black people who voted for him.

All this is Moot because of 5 things...

1. The firing of two airforce guys that may have been against the current administration wanting to attack IRAN!!!.
2. The recent Senate report that is proof that the president lied us into a war.
3. The recent articles that appear in the Isreli press stating that Ohmert is presurring bush to attack Iran and use only the Isreli intelligence only.
4. The Presidential Directive number 51 - read this!!!!!!
5. The Article that appears this week in the Radar that explains the fact this country now has concetration camps and dention centers some located either near or on military bases and across this country.

We have a real and distinct Danger of loosing our Democaracy and we all know it and, that is a bigger fish to fry. We will not be able to have andy discussion of anything if martial law is implemented and, no new president. Lets get pass this!!!!! We need to concentraite on what to do with this dangerous situation on our hands and I haven't heard of any viable solutions to getting rid of this madman that is in the white house.

DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS AND WHY AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT THIS??????

Thank you!!

She lost. Most of want change and new faces. Besides she uses more "I"s and "me"s in her speeches(more like preaches ) than any Dem I have ever heard.
Obama is an inspirer. Clinton has lied to us many times in the last few months.

Mike Malloy talked about many of these topics last night.

The corporate media has ignored many of these stories, so it is up to us to get the truth out. Instead of just complaining about the media, be the media.

You make absolutely NO sense at all...

Well you know the blacks flock to any dark shadowy character. Remember how blacks just flocked to Al Sharpton, and Mosely Braun. And another thing. What the fuck is so special about Hillary Clinton that black people would be in love her. What? Oh, because she fucks Bill Clinton or atleast use too. There is nothing about Hillary Clinton either stylistically or substantively that would compel large numbers of blacks to support her. I AM SORRY BUT HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT THE POLITICIAN THAT BILL CLINTON USE TO BE. THE BILL CLINTON OF TEN YEARS WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN HIS ASS BEAT IN THIS CAMPAIGN.

What about white people who voted for him?

Oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO

Or any other people who voted for him?

You mean there is more than just black and white people? Oh my, I do need to get out of the Midwest more often!

Wow. This is a mess. Dude, I never was into Hilliary. So this stuff about everyone being into HRC is so not right. She lost me when she voted YES for the Iraq war. The thing that first got me into Obama was the fact he VOTED no for the war.

Give us a break. I don't know what world you are in, but this is the old Mark Penn lie that the entire country was into Hilliary before Super Tuesday. I don't think Hilliary herself believed that. Her operatives did and look at the mess it made of her campaign. So please, enough, enough with the rants.

Big scary black majorities.

Somebody call the cops!

If Hillary the sore loser is the number two on the ticket then I vote for mcain. Hillary cant be trusted. Hilary lacks expirence for the job and she ran a lousy campain. I have enough of the clintons they had their eight years and now they must take their bow and exit the stage.

.... obvious to further divide ... the Dems.


But Obama united the Iowans of all cultural backrounds - mostly not black ...
moot point - negates your crap !!!!!! and everthing since then is History !!!! Move-on .....

Has her voting record reflected UNITY ..... NO !
http://www.votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=55463


Her campaign utilized racist and divisional Neo-con style propaganda !
D'oh.







Got any factual references .....




So .... it's all about me - not you ! ROFL !!!!!



Got any factual references .....



Got any factual references .....

Ignoring his voting record ....
http://www.votesmart.org/search.php?search=Obama

And it reflects what he has been doing consistently .... in private life, Illinois Congress and in the Senate.

Populous policies, principals, and integrity ....

... seem to have trouble with that ...



HUH ???????



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Attribution, Corroboration and Truthfulness

Research the topic ….
Present facts, corroborate it and give credit to your sources;
or qualify it as opinion.



If you want to be taken serious .... LOL !










Stages of recovery, in common order of sequence :





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I say we just ignore this thread and make it go away.

Don't say that. That's the same argument that Hillary Clinton supporters are using. I highly doubt John McCain has any of your best interests at heart and I do believe Obama does. If Hillary is on the ticket, she wouldn't be President but even if (god forbid) something happened to Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton would be much better than John McSame.

4 years of Hillary as VP vs 50 years of more Rehnquists, Thomases, Roberts, Alitos, etc.

No, sorry, this is nutball talk.

Here is the way I resolve this. Maybe it's helpful.

Before Obama's grass roots mobilization and drive to recapture government for the people, I was pretty discouraged and tuned out. I was writing off the possibility of this ever again being a government of, by and for. OK, so Obama made me think that maybe it could be done, within the system. Long shot, but possible, and worth working for. No other candidate made me feel that way. So I started spending my energy on his campaign, donating (even though I'd never donated before), spending time, etc. I will dedicate time, energy and money to his program -election and beyond - so long as I believe it's not a waste of time.

So if it had come down to a choice between HRC and McCain, I would have voted for HRC without blinking, but not much more. Voting is cheap, compared to time, energy and $.

Barack gets my vote, time, energy and $. But if he adds HRC as VP specifically, I am seriously concerned about the viability of his initiative. So in that case, they get my vote, but no time, energy, $. My perception might change, in which case my commitment would.

So this approach allows me to distinguish between Obama and someone sharing his values, vs Obama and Clinton, without the horror of voting for McCain.

Thanks, Ishmael... I needed this.

You know, installing Mozilla Firefox would really help you out with the typos.

I'd respond to your posts, but I don't understand what the heck you're sayin'.

This cannot be stressed enough! It is beyond ridiculous to misspell post after post and expect grownups to take you seriously - unless you have dyslexia, in which case, my bad.

However, if you do not have dyslexia (perhaps even if you do), you may be excited to learn that the RRMB gives you FIVE WHOLE MINUTES TO CORRECT YOUR MISTAKES, giving you ample time to reread your spew at least once before moving on to the next post. I'm taking advantage of this feature right now.

This is the internet, you know. The world is watching. Do you believe that crappy spelling is the best way to represent America?

For the sake of the Union PLEASE PROOFREAD. Thanks.

Hey progladie! Welcome Back!!

There is access to a free, safe and reliable, spell-checker in this software - compatible with Internet Explorer.

Click the ABC/check mark - in the edit mode.

I just read this entire rambling thread and then went back to this post. You assertion is that whomever is the first to get in a primary race should be declared the winner, and all those who join afterward are being divisive, is the most absurd position I have ever heard.

You fail. You fail hard. Failure is your real name. Take your whiny ass and your dead horse and go to Hillaryis44. They are still holding out against reality. You will fit in quite nicely.

I never have understood the talking point about voting for McSame rather than Obama, when McSame represents everything that Clinton is opposes. Clinton may have been my 4th or 5th choice on my list, but McSame didn't even MAKE the list.

I agree. Voting for McSame is insane. We basically get four more years of Bush -- and Bush Republicans. No fucking thank you.

Dear lady, please think about what you are saying. The Republicans have removed our Constitution, Geneva Convention, Bush went to war without proper permission from NATO, he has his own personal army with Black Water which worked outside the Geneva Convention or any law. You will vote for a man that most likely will not put back habeas corpus, the fascist government will just keep steamrolling away, they are stealing from Americans not even born yet with the credit card. Please.... I beg of you, do not just vote for the person, you also have to consider the party. 2000 people will walk out of the White House and move in with Obama. The judges that will be appointed with the Republicans will just shove more fascism at us. Please, reconsider. Thank you.

To swing back to the original topic of why Hillary needs to clean up her mess, it's the same as always:

Because she is not a guest in this house.

If you don't understand what this means, ask your mother.

Fine, now disband the party as it has failed and failed utterly to carry out its constitutional responsibility to end the war and hold Bush accountable for war crimes. It has also played along with fiscal mismanagement that might bring on economic melt-down before President McCain is even inaugurated.

Brilliance? Are you fucking kidding?

the reality is:
Clinton voted to give Bush authorization to go to war
Clinton voted against banning cluster bombs...so much for all that talk of being a champion for children!
Clinton didn't do a damn thing for women as she sat on the board of Walmart
Clinton supported Nafta
Clinton supported Kyl-Lieberman
Clinton lied about her "experience"
Clinton mismanaged her campaign to the extent that she is millions in debt...doesn't look like she is fiscally responsible.
Clinton made chest pounding remarks about obliterating Iran...big fuck up...

She was the front runner and thought she had it. She almost did but someone better came along and heads turned.

Welcome to the real world. Pissing and moaning about her being the front runner then losing it all isn't going to change the fact that she did. BTW, she never really impressed me much as First Lady either. Also, had her husband investigated the prior administration instead of cutting them all loose, they wouldn't have come back for the major heist they have perpetrated on our country, they would have been in prison. The Clinton Brand is old news, time for a change. Vote for whomever you want but quit being a crybaby.

Why would ANY woman vote for McCain? Like you can trust HIM? You would give up your vote for Obama over that? Don't think you were going to vote for him to begin with....

I like Randi but she will say anything to lay the blame at the feet of Senator Clinton and her supporters. i didn't want to post a similar thread but I do agree with you. I'm a black male that supported Hillary because I thought and still fell she is the better person for the job. But to say she created the split is way out there none the less she did what she had to do to unify the party the rest is up to Obama.

by the way, for the record, if America had been ruled by African Americans from day one, enslaving whites and then continuing to treat them like slaves until the 1960's-1970's, and in 2008 a White Man was nominated for President of those same United States, there is no way 90% of whites would vote for him, it would be more like 100%

AMAZING HOW NOT ONE RESPONOSE IN OVER A THOUSAND RESPONDED TO MY POINT. "PRINCESS HILLARY" RESPONSE IS A GOOD WAY OF PICKING OFF HUNDREDS. EACH SUCH RESPONDER OFFERED A VARIATION ON, "SHE THINKS SHE IS ENTITLELD," OR<" SHE IS NOT," OR," HE HAD A RIGHT TO RUN. THESE ARE STRAW MEN AS EACH WHO SAID THIS WAS RIGHT BUT I AGREED WITH THEM TO BEGIN WITH IN MY POST ON THESE ISSUES. ALL THESE RESPONDERS DID WAS VENT ON AN ISSUE OF AGREEMENT. NOW WE HEARD HILLARY SPEAK THIS WEEKEND AND WE ALL WERE REMINDED THIS TIME LAST YEAR SHE WAS CORENATED OUR CANDIDATE. THERE WAS UNITY AT THE TIME. NO SPLIT OF OUR PARTY ON RACE, WOMEN HISPANIICS ETC. THAT IS A FACT WHICH EVERY NETWORK REMINDED US OF JUST AS I SAID. MY POINT, THE ONLY POINT TO CONTEST IN MY POST WAS THAT OBAMA KNEW TO WIN, HE HAD TO TAKE A UNIFIEID PARTY AND CARVE OUT FOR HIMSELF CONSTITUENCIES WITHIN THE PARTY. IN SHORT HE HAD TO DISUNITE US TO WIN. YOU MMAY NOT LIKE THIS BUT YOU CANNOT ARGUE WITH HAVING HEARD THIS SUMMER IF HILARY STEALS IT BLACK AMERICA WILL STAY HOME. I KNOW YOU WANT TO ACT BRAIN DEAD ON THIS BUT I KNOW YOU HEARD IT MANY TIMES, IT WAS THE THREAT FROM OBAMAS FOLLOWERS. POINT IS MY POSOT POSITED A VERY SIMPLE PROPOSITION. THE PROOF OF THAT PROPOSITION CAN BE OBSERVED IN WHAT HAS HAPPENED. TO WIN HE HAD TO CARVE OUT BLACKS, YOUNG PEOPLE AND OTHERS. THAT TOOK UNIFIED AND MADE THEM NOT UNIFIED. VERY VERY SIMPLE. MY ONLY SECOND POINT WAS THE IRONY RANDI MADE IT ON HER SHOW, A TOPIC AND PRIORITY THAT HILLARY ALONE HAD THE OBLIGATION TO BRING THE PARTY BACK TOGETHER. THOSE OF US WITH SAVY EARS KNOW THIS MEANS IF IT DOES NOT COME BACK TOGETHER IT IS BECAUSE HILLARY DID IT. THE IRONY IS THE PERSONS WHO HAD THE PARTY UNIFIED AND THOSE WHO SUPPORTED HER FOR THIS VERY REASON WHO NEVER CHANGED OR WAVERED FROM THE SUPPORT OF A UNIFIED PARTY COULD EVER BE RESPONSIBLE FOR US LOOSING BECAUSE OF UNITY. FACT IS OBAMA AND THOSE WHO BROK FROM THAT UNITY TO SUPPORT HIM AGAIN HAD EVERY RIGHT BUT TO DO WHAT THEY DID THEY HAD TO BREAK OUR UNITY. IF WE LOOSE ON THIS ONLY THOSE WHO ARE ORIGINAL OBAMA PEOPLE ARE TO BLAME. HE WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN UNITY. THAT MORE SUCCINCTLY MEANS THEY WERE WILLING TO CHANCE THAT AFTER HE WON WE COULD REUNIFY. ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT IT ALL HILLARY CAN DO IS WHAT SHE DID IN THIS SPEACH AND GO ON DOING IT. TIME WILL TELL IF THE GOPERS CAN FURTHUR SPLIT AMERICA ON RACE OR PICK A WOMAN VP AND TAKE HER VOTERS. IF WE LOOSE THE OBAMA PEOP0LE WERE TEH CHANCE TAKERS WHO LOST IT FOR US NOT HILLARY OR HER PEOPLE. AND THAT IS AN OBVIOUS POINT OVER 1000 RESPONDERS FAILED TO ADDRESS WHIICH NOW I AM CONVINCED BECAUSE IT CANNOT BE ADDRESSED SUCCESSFULLY

First of all there aren't 1000 responders to your original post, your post is #246 and that doesn't even mean 246 people responded.

Secondly...I know you are trying but your posts are nearly impossible to read.

What I do get is that you will blame Obama supporters if he loses because Hillary was the front runner and we should have just let her win. How Democratic!

You're going to have to do better than that and you are going to have to write in coherent sentences if you want to be heard. Capitol letters do not hide misspelled words or bad grammar and it sure as hell doesn't cover up your ignorance about voters.

LET ME HELP YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE SO GUNG HO FOR OBAMA YOU LOST YOUR ABILIITY TO THINK. READING MORE POSTS THEY ARE ALL ABOUT THE RACE ITSELF. POINTS ABOUT WHO WAS WOROSE IN THE CAMPAIGN. POINTS ABOUT BILL CLINTON. TO ADRESS MY POST, IF THAT WAS SOMETHING ANY OF YOU WANTED TO DO AND THAT SEEMS TO ME A REAL QUESTION, YOU NEED TO GO BACK BEFORE ANY OF THE EVENTNS ANY OF YOU TALKED ABOUT. YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO OBAMAS DECISION TO RUN AND FOCUS ON THAT TIME. IT WAS THAT TIME, LOOKING AT THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE THEN, THAT IS REQUIRED TO ADRESS MY POST. AT TEHT TIME HE GOT INTO THE RACE HILLARY AS FRONT RUNNER WAS A FACT. AT THAT TIME THE CLINTONS HAD NO ISSUES ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE NOT LIKING THEM OR VOTING FOR THEM. AT THAT TIME THE PARTY, IF SHE WAS CORENATED WAS UNIFIED AND READY TO FIGHT. IT WAS AT THAT TIME HE AND HIS PEOPLE DEVISED A PLAN. A VERY SUCCESSFUL PLAN. ONE I MIGHT VENTURE WAS ACRRIED OUT TO NEAR PERFECTION. AND THAT PLAN CALLED FOR COUNTING ON GAINT % OF BLACK VOTERS IF HE WAS TO WIN AND OTHERS. IT IS WHAT HAPPENED FOR HIM TO WIN AND IT I WILL NEVER BE CONVINCED HE WAS TOTALLY SUPRISED HE GOT BLACK VOTERS AND NEVER PLANNED ON IT. THAT IS IDIOTIC! SO AT TAT MOMENT AND NOT A MOMENT AFTER MY POST ADRESSES A DECISION HE MADE. TO WIN, HE HAD TO SPLIT US. SO IF YOUR GOING TO ADRESS MY POST ANOTHER THOUSAND TIMES, TRY AND ADDRESS IT WITHOUT STRAWMEN OR IRRELEVANCIES FROM THE PRIMARIES LATER ON. TRY AND CONVINCE ME THAT SOME OF YOU STILL THINK LOGICALLY LIKE DEMOCRATS AND THAT DEMOCRATS ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN GOPERS WHEN I HEAR THEM SAY THERE IS NO PROOF BUSH DIDN'T KNOW THERE WERE NO WMD. BY WAY OF EXAMPLE THAT IS THE TYPE OF RESPONSES I GOT. NOT ONE HIT THE SUBJECT OF MY POST.

now there's a way to start an open and honest dialogue

Could it be that NOBODY can understand what you are trying to say because you have such a poor grasp of grammar and spelling and would be hard pressed to rub to complete thoughts together?

I think the reason that you are here is to create chaos...you don't have a message, you have an agenda.