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Tyo
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An Italian bishop has reportedly told a young paraplegic he cannot have a church wedding because he is impotent, despite his fiancee being aware of the problem.

Salvatore de Ciuco, spokesman for Bishop Lorenzo Chiarinelli of Viterbo in central Italy, told SkyTG24 television: "No bishop, no priest can celebrate a wedding when he knows of admitted impotence as it is a motive for annulment" of the marriage.

This seems pretty cruel to me, although I guess it's in line with the Church's generally ignored teaching that every sex act has to be open to the possibility of resulting in procreation. What happens when a couple of 70-year-old people who who have lost their spouses to death want to get married in the Church? If there would be no problem here, why not? Presumably if God could allow a 70-year-old woman to get pregnant by her 70-year-old husband he could allow a guy who is impotent to regain his ability to get it up. Seems like the Church is kind of usurping God's role here.

RealLiberal1
QUOTE (Tyo @ Jun 9 2008, 07:58 PM) *
This seems pretty cruel to me, although I guess it's in line with the Church's generally ignored teaching that every sex act has to be open to the possibility of resulting in procreation. What happens when a couple of 70-year-old people who who have lost their spouses to death want to get married in the Church? If there would be no problem here, why not? Presumably if God could allow a 70-year-old woman to get pregnant by her 70-year-old husband he could allow a guy who is impotent to regain his ability to get it up. Seems like the Church is kind of usurping God's role here.


Remember, it was "the church" that also coined the phrase "Holy Matrimony". The phrase itself is not Biblical.

I'm surprised "the church" doesn't require fertility tests before hand. laugh.gif
Tyo
QUOTE (RealLiberal1 @ Jun 10 2008, 05:54 AM) *
Remember, it was "the church" that also coined the phrase "Holy Matrimony". The phrase itself is not Biblical.

I'm surprised "the church" doesn't require fertility tests before hand. laugh.gif


One more example that it's really all about control. Would Jesus refuse to bless this couple's union because they can't at this point have sexual relations that could result in pregnancy? Not even straight people are safe from this kind of weirdness.

And as for the fertility tests, I'm sure they've thought about it tongue.gif
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QUOTE (RealLiberal1 @ Jun 10 2008, 07:54 AM) *
Remember, it was "the church" that also coined the phrase "Holy Matrimony". The phrase itself is not Biblical.
Not sure that's accurate. One of the Hebrew words for marriage (kidushen) comes from the same word as holy. I don't know, but I wonder if the term is biblical.
RealLiberal1
QUOTE (Viewer @ Jun 11 2008, 10:13 AM) *
Not sure that's accurate. One of the Hebrew words for marriage (kidushen) comes from the same word as holy. I don't know, but I wonder if the term is biblical.


Kadosh is the Hebrew term meaning "holy"...at least the closest.

The term (in English) "Holy Matrimony" is not Biblical...it's no where in the Bible.

Like I indicated earlier, it was coined, with it's roots going back to circa 1600...if my memory hasn't failed, called
"The Sacrament of Holy Matrimony".




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