"This Noble Truth of the Origin of Suffing is Craving, which renews being and is accompanied by relish and lust, relishing this and that, in other words, craving for sensual desires. Craving for being, for one-being. But where-on does this craving arise and flourish? Wherever there is what seems lovable and gratifying, there-on it arises and flourishes.

Craving which renews being and is accompanied by reish and lust, relishing this and that in other words, craving for sensual desires, craving for being, craving for non-being. But where-on does this craving arise and flourish? Wherever there is what seems lovable and gratifying, there-on it arises and flourishes.

The Second Noble Truth states that there is an origin of suffering and that the origin of suffering is attachmtent to the three kinds of desire: desire for sense pleasure (kama tanha), desire to become (bhava tanha) and desire to get rid of (vibhava tanha). This is what you contemplate:

The origin of suffering is attachment to desire.

What do you contemplate on the Truth of the Origin of Suffering?

It sounds like the emotional progression of a one-night stand.

Desire for sense pleasure. Desire to become one with source of sense sense pleasure. Desire to get the source of sense of pleasure up and coffeed and out the door before the morning is shot.

Not that I'm into that. Too much suffering.

But seriously. I don't think it's a bad analogy. Especially if you do it over and over again.

I think it pretty much describes the idea that the origin of suffering is the attachment to desire. I might be too free in my interpretation bhava tanha though.

LOL... Yup, that's what it is alright!!



Let me gather my thoughts and I will return.

Attachment, Grasping and Desire...

Kama Tanha is very easy to understand. This kind of desiere is wanting sense pleasures through the body or other senses and always seeking things to excite or please your senses - that is kama tanha.

What it is like when you have desire for pleasure? When you are eating, if you are hungry, and the food tases delicious, you can be aware of wanting to take another bite. Notice that feeling when you are tasing something pleasant; notice how you want more of it. Don't believe this; try it out. Don't think you know it because it has been that way in the past. A desire arises for more. That is kama tanha.

Contemplate the feeliing of wanting to become something. But if there is ignorance, then we are not seeking something delicious to eat or beautiful music to listen to, we can be caught in a realm of attainment - the desire to become. Caught in that movement of striving to become "happy, wealthy".

Usually we equate suffering with feeling, but feeling is not suffering. It is the grasping of desire that is suffering.

Desire does not cause suffering; the cause of suffering is the grasping of desire.

Reflect and contemplate on your own experience for this. We all have to investigate desire and know it for what it is. What is necessary for survival..

The Buddha was not an idealist and he was not a moralist. He did not condem anything. He was trying to awaken us to the truth so that we could see things clearly.

"Once there is that clarity and seeing in the right way, then there is no suffering. You can still feel hunger. You can still need food without it becoming a desire. The body is not self; it needs food otherwise it will get very weak and die. That is the nature of the body - If we get very oralistic and high-minded and believe that we are our bodies, that hunger is our own problem, and we should not even eat - that is not wisdom; it is foolishness."

If we contemplate desires and listen to them, we are actually no longer attaching to them; we are just allowing them to be the way they are. Then we come to the realisation that the origin of suffering and desire can be laid aside and let go of.

Excessive excitation of pleasure centers could be caused by a desire to avoid pain and yet in human form the dope-a-mene response is part of reward like eating a full meal equates to a food buzz. Yea, a one night stand is great for relieving a craving to mate which is only natural but a shortterm fix may reduce the need only temporarily among species known to mate for life.

However, other literature equates these problems to genetic defects or social ills as addiction leads to dependence on chemicals known to excite pleasure centers to the nth degree. Some people can walk away from alcohol or drugs after social drinking or experimentation while others cannot. The great social lubricant alcohol, affords lessoning of ego boundries I have noticed. Vodka has removed clothing of some particular girls I have known rather uninhibited through intoxication if you were to ask me. Were these wild childs suffering from pain when I knew them, well not when I was with them not by far.

Other literature points to mankind's desire to reunite with the One after birth. And that society through religion has become fixiated on life after death. Someone stated it simply, that when you reach the end of life, start over. I can buy that. Only true accurate prediction I can make for myself today is that I will die one day for sure. Will my death be painful or painless, I have no clue.
See, to me it's all well and good that good recorded history of some 2500 years now shows man's desire to experience mystical or spiritual experiences relating to communion with a Creator directly. I guess that many are called but few are chosen but do flog yourself if you must. Practicing self abuse for enlightenment is nothing new under the sun to me. If excessive excitation of pleasure centers through chemical intervention has caused you pain, I would say you are not alone. I mean why do you think they called that medicine anti-abuse anyway ?

It is in my nature to say, contemplate this or I got your contemplation right here dude or dudette. I predict I will die one day, how, when or where has not be revealed to me personally. And if I thought I could determine my own destiny, that would not explain a semi-random chance that I would get hit head on by a drunk driver one day. Would I manifest that reality for myself one day, no. That would be a random event pretty much out of my control. Did I put myself in the position to get hit by a drunk driver, well no, not if my purpose of driving on that particular day was going to the store to pick up bread. Hardly an exercise of avoiding pain to me.

See clarity is not neccesarily a neccessity of finding truths for me. Most best teachers teach through example leaving double standards behind like inferring, "Do as I say not as I do". Am I a clear today, I am not sure but I know tomorrow will be different, that's alot like life itself to me. So those 'teachers" of life walk a road less travelled and if Buddha is met along that road, they may just kill him, stealing his chicken noodle soup for their own souls while taking his cloak too. These teachers practice a deeper meaning of "do nothing" to me. And I am hardly a teacher myself if I were to lead by example. There are those in fact who reach serenity without suffering or chemical intervention.

Desire



Craving



Ignorance



Fear



Pride



The Five Poisons of the Mind.

Well mythos, these are your opinions obviously due to your limited experiences in life itself.

Now the Baptists taught me that suffering does not necessarily come from sin, in this case craving if you will. In fact, those teachings indicate that people will ask what sins caused this man to suffer. Did the sins of the father cause this man to suffer ? What sin did this man commit to suffer so much, craving ? Did New Orleans sin to attract a hurricane ? Did Chinese invoke bad karma suffering a major earthquake ?

The Great Teacher said no sins were committed for this man to suffer, one more great mystery of Divinity.

Myoho.. (me - yo - ho)



Hmph..



Ah... so they throw it to the back burner, in hopes that others do not find the true nature of their own reality.



Yes, and all those around him.

Call it... Karma



Desire, Greed, Ignorance, Fear, Pide.



Dumb question.



No... but we did as a "Human Race" and as a whole. Look at what it happening in the Mid-West right now. It is a product of our own making.



Whom is the "Great Teacher?"

EGO

Sorry, but you are not worthy to argue with me, go fish. Whom is the Great teacher, meditate on it, cya.

I did not argue with you.

I only presented an alternative.

Yes...

Ego is the great teacher.

Short Story..

One day a young Buddhist on his journey home, came to the banks of a wide river.

Staring hopelessly at the great obstacle in front of him , he pondered for hours on just how to cross such a wide barrier?

Just as he was about to give up his pursuit to continue his journey; he saw a great teacher on the other side of the river. The young Buddhist yells over to the teacher...

"Oh wise one , can you tell me how to get to the other side of this river"?

The teacher ponders for a moment... looks up and down the river...

and yells back ...

"My son, you are on the other side!!!" .

Myoho, I was just messing with your ego. The great teacher I am referring to is JC. Be well.

Understood.

JC...? He only taught faith, not the well being of the mind.



They do not yet fully appreciate the Dharma that "religion" has given them in the training of their own minds.

When the mind finally exhausts itself, then perhaps they will be ready to open up to the great mystery that surrounds and gives life to every moment.

If JC means Jesus Christ, then we are not talking about a great teacher. Some of the people who have interpreted and commented on the words that have been attributed to him maybe are. But the words Christ spoke, or which were put into his mouth by his creators, are the commonplaces that most religions share. What gives them their resonance and beauty is mainly the way they appear in King James version of the Bible.

Now, where were we?

Oh yes, "Attachment to Desire'.

GRASPING...

This is the next point to contemplate to the Second Noble Truth...

"Grasping to Desire"

Usually we equate suffering with feeling, but feeling is not suffering. It is the grasping of desire that is suffering. Desire does not cause suffering; the cause of suffing is the "grasping" of desire. This statement is for reflection and contemplation in terms of your own individual experience.

You really have to investigate desire and know it for what it is. You have to know what is natural and necessary for survival and what is not necessary of survival. We can be very idealistic in thinking that even the need for food is some kind of desire we should not have. One can be quite ridiculous about it. But the Buddha was not trying to condemn anything. He was trying to awaken us to truth so that we could see things clearly.

Once there is that clarity and seeing in the right way, then there is no suffering. You still feel hunger. You can still need food without it becoming a desire. Food is a natural need of the body. The body itself; it needs food... otherwise it will become very weak and die. That is the nature of the body - there is nothing wrong with that.. If we get very moralistic and high-minded and believe that we are our bodies, that hunger is our own problem, and that we should not even eat - that is not wisdom; it is foolishness.

When you really see the origin of suffering, you realise that the problem is the grasping of desire... not the desire itself. Grasping is being deluded by it, think it's really 'me' and 'mine': "These desires are me and there is something wrong with me for having them'; or, 'I don't like the way I am now. I have to become something else'; or, 'I have to get rid of something before I can become what i want to be.' All this is desire. So you listen to it with bare attention, not saying it's good or bad, but mearely recognizing it for what it is.

Prayer

DANG PO GOM JA DAL JOR RIN CHEN DI
This precious human birth, so favorable for the practice of the dharma,

THOP KA JIK LA DA RÉ DÖN YÖ JA
Is hard to obtain and easily lost. At this time, I must make this meaningful.

NYI PA NÖ CHÜ THAM CHÉ MI TAK CHING
The world and all its inhabitants are impermanent.

GÖ SU DRO WAY TSHE SOK CHU BUR DRA
The life of each being is like a water bubble.

NAM CHI CHA MÉ SHI TSHE RO RU GYUR
It is uncertain when I will die and become a corpse.

DE LA CHÖ KYI PHEN CHIR TSON PÉ DRUP
As it is only the dharma that can help me at that time, I must practice now with
diligence.

SUM PA SHI TSHE RANG WANG MI DU WAR
At death there is no freedom, and karma takes its course.

LE NI DAK GIR JA CHIR DIK PA PANG
As I create my own karma, I should therefore abandon all unwholesome action,

GE WAY JA WÉ TAK TU DA WAR JA
And always devote my time to wholesome action.

ZHÉ SAM NYIN RÉ RANG GYU NYI LA TAK
With this in mind, I must observe my mind-stream each day.

ZHI PA KHOR WAY NÉ DROK DÉ JOR SOK
Just like a feast before the executioner leads me to my death,

DUK NGAL SUM GYI TAK TU NAR WAY CHIR
The homes, friends, pleasures, and possessions of samsara

SÖ SAR THRI PAY SHE MAY GA TÖN TAR
Cause me continual torment by means of the three sufferings.

ZHEN THRI CHÉ NÉ TSÖN PÉ JANG CHUP DRUP
I must cut through all attachment and strive to attain enlightenment.