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aqua
OK, I didn't check out the link yet, but I noticed you mentioned flouride...according to a friend of mine who does everything naturally (no meds, etc.) flouride 1.) does NOT prevent cavities (conventional and even natural toothpastes with glycerin are thought to coat the teeth, not allowing them to re-mineralize from the saliva in your mouth), 2.) was originally added to municipal water supplies by the Nazis because it is supposed to have a calming effect on people...so basically they (we?) were mildly sedated all the time.
According to some holistic dentists, the flouride myth has kept us spending all kinds of money on problems we can prevent by using soap or baking soda - like in the old days! - and you can actually buy a tooth soap liquid online!

Not sure what I think of this...it can all be "google-ied" if you are so inclined...but it is true that people have (very) occasionally died from ingesting too much flouride (usually children) and it is now recommended that babies under 12 months NOT be given flouridated water. Makes you wonder... ohmy.gif
Morgan
Look at your toothpaste box for "DANGER" information. It says if your child ingests more than a 'pea size' amount, you are to call your doctor or go to the emergency room.
Morgan
The Pineal Gland is most harmed this toxin, first. It absorbs it like a sponge. Similar to the thyroid absorbing radiation.

The Pineal Gland is the one and only DMT producer in the brain. You can kiss your connection to God goodbye...well, until your dead...that's a different scenario tongue.gif
5by5
My connection to God is dependent upon my pineal gland? What if I don't believe in God? I'm pretty much ok, then, right?

Oops, excuse me. Almost forgot to brush my teeth before bed. Thanks for the reminder! biggrin.gif
CowboySteve
I hate fluoride because it rusts my guns.... rolleyes.gif
TammyStickers
QUOTE (aqua @ Jul 16 2008, 12:42 AM) *
flouride 1.) does NOT prevent cavities (conventional and even natural toothpastes with glycerin are thought to coat the teeth, not allowing them to re-mineralize from the saliva in your mouth), 2.) was originally added to municipal water supplies by the Nazis because it is supposed to have a calming effect on people...so basically they (we?) were mildly sedated all the time.


Link?
toreyj01
QUOTE (TammyStickers @ Aug 1 2008, 09:13 AM) *
Link?


Here's a link for you from the National Council Against Health Fraud with some decent information for you...

http://www.ncahf.org/articles/e-i/fluoride.html

There is some science in it but its quite palpable and easy to understand.

One thing to mention here....if you live in a volcanic area, and your water is fluoridated, they are actually taking it out because it is usually higher than 1ppm which is what is recommended.

This is really fringe science saying Fluoride is bad, teeth decay can lead to multiple health problems that can even extend to rheumatic fever and Subacute Bacterial Endocardiits. It is a good thing that we do this.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Morgan @ Jun 11 2008, 01:00 PM) *


What's that a youtube of?
CowboySteve
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 18 2008, 05:43 PM) *
What's that a youtube of?

Dunno. Hate it when people mistake posting a link with making an argument.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (CowboySteve @ Aug 18 2008, 06:55 PM) *
Dunno. Hate it when people mistake posting a link with making an argument.


I just wish people would post the video title when they post youtubes.

Otherwise, I'm not clicking on them, especially from these CTs who send you through all their illuminati nwo bulldada to make whatever point they are trying to make.
Morgan
It's rat poison.
Morgan
Revealed: How health chiefs plan to put fluoride in half our water supply to halt tooth decay
By Daniel Martin
04th August 2008
Mail Online

Nearly half our drinking water could have fluoride added to it under a 'secret' Government plan.

Dental health chiefs want to add the chemical to 40 per cent of England's water supply to combat high levels of tooth decay.

But critics said the 'mass medication' of water without the population's consent was an invasion of their human rights.

more...
bushwa


Hey, try to stop the fluoride in your water and they're just gonna spray it on you via the chemtrails the government is leaving across the sky.

Why fight it - go to sleep and it will be all right. The pod is almost complete now.
CowboySteve
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 18 2008, 10:24 PM) *
I just wish people would post the video title when they post youtubes.

Otherwise, I'm not clicking on them, especially from these CTs who send you through all their illuminati nwo bulldada to make whatever point they are trying to make.


Be that way. You'll never know about the Masons poisoning the wells. HA!

Go ahead, risk YOUR precious bodily fluids....
TammyStickers
QUOTE (toreyj01 @ Aug 18 2008, 03:53 PM) *
Here's a link for you from the National Council Against Health Fraud with some decent information for you...

http://www.ncahf.org/articles/e-i/fluoride.html


Maybe I am a bit confused. I ask for a link showing support for the claim that floride does not prevent cavities, and in response I get a link saying

"Over the years. hundreds of studies have attested to fluoridation's effectiveness against tooth decay. "
and
"The results clearly established that drinking fluoridated water from birth onward is the most effective, and economical way to prevent tooth decay. "

TammyStickers
QUOTE (Morgan @ Aug 19 2008, 10:23 PM) *
It's rat poison.


So is water. People have drowned rats for centuries.

bushwa
QUOTE (Morgan @ Jul 17 2008, 05:13 PM) *
Look at your toothpaste box for "DANGER" information. It says if your child ingests more than a 'pea size' amount, you are to call your doctor or go to the emergency room.



I looked. It doesn't say that.

Seeker1
BTW, might I ask what flouride has to do with Agenda 21, since nobody's asked that question, yet?

Agenda 21 is the United Nation's Council on Environment and Development (UNCED's) protocol for sustainable development.

http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents/agenda21/index.htm

Far as I know, it has nothing to do with flouride in our toothpaste or water, or aspartame, for that matter.


Morgan
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Aug 20 2008, 03:57 PM) *
BTW, might I ask what flouride has to do with Agenda 21, since nobody's asked that question, yet?

Agenda 21 is the United Nation's Council on Environment and Development (UNCED's) protocol for sustainable development.

http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents/agenda21/index.htm

Far as I know, it has nothing to do with flouride in our toothpaste or water, or aspartame, for that matter.



Seeker..all policies allowing for any eugenics practices are suspect, regarding Agenda 21. As of now, we have mega-toxins in food, water, air, drugs and vaccines.

Have you ever studied UNCED? Or looked at the attendee list of their 1992 Conference? Most of the attendees were international bankers or their NGOs. Have you ever read the minutes of that 1992 conference?
Morgan
QUOTE (bushwa @ Aug 20 2008, 03:03 PM) *
I looked. It doesn't say that.


Get out the magnifying glass, bushwa.
CowboySteve
I know that Gore was a supporter of the Rio declaration, and most of the conservatives at the time mocked it...

Is there anything holding this togetther?
Seeker1
QUOTE (Morgan @ Aug 21 2008, 04:44 PM) *
Or looked at the attendee list of their 1992 Conference?


Yes.

I even knew people who went.




Morgan
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Aug 21 2008, 10:05 PM) *
Yes.

I even knew people who went.


Did you read their speeches?
Morgan
QUOTE (CowboySteve @ Aug 21 2008, 09:40 PM) *
I know that Gore was a supporter of the Rio declaration, and most of the conservatives at the time mocked it...

Is there anything holding this togetther?


So anyone who critizes their agenda it is a conservative?
Seeker1
QUOTE (Morgan @ Aug 21 2008, 11:10 PM) *
Did you read their speeches?


Considering I knew some of the people in some of the NGOs who were going, yes.

I didn't see much on eugenics. Not even anything on fluoride or aspartame.

I did see a lot about coming up with ways to conserve current resources so that future generations could also enjoy them, and how to promote economic development in a way that doesn't jeopardize the wellbeing of those future generations.





bushwa
QUOTE (Morgan @ Aug 21 2008, 01:44 PM) *
Get out the magnifying glass, bushwa.



I can read it just fine, thanks. You have offered a misleading claim.

Further, what's the concentration of fluoride in fluoridated toothpaste compared to that going into water supplies? And are they the identical form of fluoride? And, by the way, if your concern is that fluoride kills people, then what's the motive for the government wanting to kill these people? Oh, and aren't there infinitely more efficient means to kill just as many or even more people?

Besides, I know I'm safe from this imagined threat. Otherwise that "hawkeye" overseer of the government Wayne Madsen would have warned me that the government is trying to kill us with fluoride.



carmenjonze
QUOTE (bushwa @ Aug 21 2008, 08:18 PM) *
And, by the way, if your concern is that fluoride kills people, then what's the motive for the government wanting to kill these people?


Because gubbament is eeeeeeevil, owned by the illuminati UFOs who serve The Debbil!
Hannibal
Come on, we know this is all true because people aren't living nearly as long as they used to.

Oh, wait ...
Morgan
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Aug 21 2008, 11:15 PM) *
Considering I knew some of the people in some of the NGOs who were going, yes.

I didn't see much on eugenics. Not even anything on fluoride or aspartame.

I did see a lot about coming up with ways to conserve current resources so that future generations could also enjoy them, and how to promote economic development in a way that doesn't jeopardize the wellbeing of those future generations.


You've seen their new map of the US, right? You think it's realistic, or even Constitutional, to move people off their land and claim it as 'world preservation land'?

It's almost understandable..but its hardly practical. You see, it's difficult to believe their good intentions when they're bankers. They can hide behind their NGOs, while investing in corporate policies which harms the environment. Or promote politicians who deregulate and rape the environment. The hypocracies run rampant.

The Global Warming agenda has several fronts...all requiring a constant intrusion into our right to privacy, being tracked and logged. For some strange reason, these elites seem to think they'll sleep better at night knowing just what everyone is eating, buying, traveling, socio-political opinion, who they socialize with, what God they believe in..etc etc.

Then there's the Weather Warfare/Modifiation Programs that have been carried out since the late 80's by the US Military..with every intention of controlling the weather from here on. It doesn't raise an eyebrow that these agendas come together under a similar timeline?

You know, there are a lot of good people who want to save the environment and have worked toward this goal their whole lives...but would never trust a banker. Then there's the funding problem for all environmentalist. So they 'hope' these hypocritical bankers will be trustworthy, even though the results have been historically untrustworthy. But what else can they do?

It's like Obama running for president. We don't know what he really stands for..but he is our only hope. At least the only one offered ...who at least panders to those hopes.
Hannibal
"Global Warming Agenda"?

Rush, is that you?
CowboySteve
QUOTE (Morgan @ Aug 21 2008, 09:11 PM) *
So anyone who critizes their agenda it is a conservative?


No, that's a logical fallacy.
Seeker1
QUOTE (Morgan @ Aug 21 2008, 11:44 PM) *
You've seen their new map of the US, right? You think it's realistic, or even Constitutional, to move people off their land and claim it as 'world preservation land'?


Who is "they"?

The U.S. has several nature preserves. One is called Yellowstone National Park, established in 1872. Go protest, but you're more than a century too late.

If you want to be really picky, go after Hot Springs Reservation, established in 1832.

QUOTE
You know, there are a lot of good people who want to save the environment and have worked toward this goal their whole lives...but would never trust a banker.


I guess they keep their money in credit unions.


CowboySteve


Here's a map from googling "Agenda 21"

If the fear is that the conservationists and wilderness preservation folks are going to drive too many people off the US lands, hey, don't sweat it. Dick Cheney will save us from THAT.

The Rio Declaration has no means by which it can be implemented. Unless a scary OneWorldGovernment pops out of the petunias in the morning.
Morgan
Anti Communitarian League might help explain some of these issues. If you've studied Fabian Society socialism, this will be familiar material. If not, it might be a good idea to start learning more about social movements controlled by old money.

I remember in the 70's, the democrats made a huge headway in environmental regulations. The EPA was kick ass back then. Then Reagan/Bush made a mockery of all that good work.

So much propaganda mushed the minds of goldwater conservative descendents. Their children never knew you could be fiscally conservative and an environmentalist at the same time. Reagan propaganda obliberated any connection with common sense. But this was not the case in the 60's and 70's. It was Nixon, and the democratic congress, who created the EPA. Republicans were proud to be sports fishermen enthusiasts with staunch environmental preservation concerns back then.

The corporate media only reports what it wants you to know...what it wants you to think about. It's a shame we've lost representation in Washington..because I am absolutely certain all Americans want to work towards cleaning up the environment, reinstating regulation and voting on referendums regarding its planning. But nobody asks US. Well shit, that wouldn't be acceptable because we're just stupid commoners...and that isn't OK with the oligarchies who have stolen our voice.

So, you see, I dont have a problem with anyone participating with the policies deciding environmental issues...but I do have a problem with bankers claiming they know whats good for all and "here's how we'll do it". Now that's a very frightening thought, don't you agree?
CowboySteve
QUOTE
Now that's a very frightening thought, don't you agree?

If I could understand what in hell we are talking about, I'm willing to be frightened.
Morgan
QUOTE (CowboySteve @ Aug 22 2008, 12:15 AM) *


Here's a map from googling "Agenda 21"

If the fear is that the conservationists and wilderness preservation folks are going to drive too many people off the US lands, hey, don't sweat it. Dick Cheney will save us from THAT.

The Rio Declaration has no means by which it can be implemented. Unless a scary OneWorldGovernment pops out of the petunias in the morning.


Well, never say never when regarding cheney and his ilk. Seems they've gotten away with 1 million murders, so far.

This is a new map. the one they had 10 years ago was much more in your face than this one. This one is more reasonable. I suppose they had to soften the blow or risk losing all support for it.

No..it's actually good to hear they're being held back. My complaint is, this is the USA. Our representatives and govt have taken our rights and our dignity away from US by excluding our voice in the matter.

We aren't that polarized. The media, and the powers that be who control it, keep creating this skism. But most of Americans want to live in eco-balance. It's so easy to persuade Americans when you use 'heart and conscience'...and tell them its your home, your choice..."so what will it be?" Americans would rally behind it. But the mistake occured when UNCED/KYOTO fashioned laws which would override US Laws. This is how the GOP USED THE ISSUE to their advantage. They owned the media, they told everyone what they had to fear.

If the USA could revert back to the laws which were just taking hold in the 70's...and refine those laws, we would begin seeing a drastic turnaround. But call it American initiative, not based on international standards or laws.
Morgan
QUOTE (CowboySteve @ Aug 22 2008, 12:29 AM) *
If I could understand what in hell we are talking about, I'm willing to be frightened.


...research historic US banking policies, manipulating US Constitution and laws.
Morgan
QUOTE (Hannibal @ Aug 22 2008, 12:03 AM) *
"Global Warming Agenda"?

Rush, is that you?


You know..you can refrain from the Fox News polarizing bullcrap. It doesnt apply to this discussion.
Seeker1
QUOTE (CowboySteve @ Aug 22 2008, 12:15 AM) *


Here's a map from googling "Agenda 21"


What's the source of that map?

If that's an official UN document, I will eat my hat.


carmenjonze
QUOTE (Morgan @ Aug 21 2008, 09:17 PM) *


Crappy links page

http://nord.twu.net/acl/links.html

Most are far rightwing, or just broken.
Morgan
BTW...that NAFTA BORDER ZONE?

The NeoCon corporatists have been building incineration fascilities along the border. Both sides of the border. I did some research on the problem last year and found they've been letting europeans send their toxic trash over here to be burned and disposed of. The toxic leakage is so bad it's crippling people down the RioGrande, especially hard hit is Brownsville, TX. Since we won't have a working EPA until Obama's in office, no one knows how bad the situation really is.

NAFTA should be ended. But until people come to their senses, NAFTA needs to be watched very very closely.

Let me find the latest story...

THE BORDER BABIES
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...-137734,00.html
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Aug 21 2008, 09:50 PM) *
What's the source of that map?


That particular one goes to some lunatic post-tribber NWO page.

I enlarged it and it's copyright "Enviornmental Perspectives, Inc (207) 945-9578" I believe that's an 8 at the end.

http://www.epi-us.com/

QUOTE
Your instincts tell you there is something wrong, or incomplete about what the media is telling you. You also know that you must be informed to make good decisions, but you realize your knowledge is incomplete. It is our intent to inform and arm you with the cutting-edge knowledge you need to have to make good decisions. We at EPI realized from research we were directly involved in during the late 1980s that the media was not telling the entire story about how the loss of private property rights and the dangers of overregulation due to environmentalism, smart growth, comprehensive planning, global warming, and geopolitical agendas promoted by the United Nations (UN). These were, and are still taking a terrible toll on the American people. Today's strangling gasoline and heating prices are but one small example. Food prices are soaring and people in the world are starving because they cannot afford food that used to be cheap. It didn't have to happen this way, but it was deliberately created through greed, indoctrination and ignorance. We provide information the media leaves out – the other side of the story!

Environmental Perspectives, Inc. (EPI) an educational-research organization that since 1992 has been helping citizens and organizations across America to understand the dangers of extreme environmentalism at the national and international level and find balance between environmental protection and the constitutional rights of individuals. We also provide assistance in understanding how false environmental catastrophes like global warming and ecosystem destruction are being used to justify the need for global governance (a euphemism for world government) and religion. Towards that end, EPI provides DVDs, books, reports and articles on these subjects, and services such as writing and speaking on specific issues for oganizations. Michael Coffman

carmenjonze
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 21 2008, 10:03 PM) *
That particular one goes to some lunatic post-tribber NWO page.

I enlarged it and it's copyright "Enviornmental Perspectives, Inc (207) 945-9578" I believe that's an 8 at the end.

http://www.epi-us.com/


"From Iraq to Ezekiel"

http://www.epi-us.com/store-products-iraq-...l_40801515.html

QUOTE
Using stunning animated graphics, Dr. Coffman takes the viewer back to the days of Assyria and Babylon to explain the history of the Jews and the Arab-Jewish conflict. He exposes how one of the greatest deceptions in history may be setting the stage for the Biblical last days and the Magog (Russian) invasion of Israel described by Ezekiel over 2000 years ago.


Uh-huh.
carmenjonze
"Dr. Michael Coffman", whoever the h. that is...

http://www.discerningtoday.org/dr__michael_coffman.htm

QUOTE
Dr. Coffman is currently President of Environmental Perspectives, Inc. (EPI), and Executive Director of Sovereignty International. EPI focuses on providing professional guidance and training in defining environmental problems and solutions based on Judeo-Christian principles of stewardship as contrasted with pantheistically-based environmentalism. Sovereignty International helps many different organizations to bring a positive message of how national sovereignty, free market enterprise, private property rights, and traditional values are superior to the global treaties and agreements leading to global governance being proposed by the United Nations in September, 2000.

In what has to be a miracle from God, Dr. Coffman played a key role in stopping the ratification of the Convention on Biological Diversity (Biodiversity Treaty) in the U.S. Senate an hour before the Senate was scheduled to vote on its ratification. His maps and information have been used by local citizens across America to stop the global agenda at the local level. This includes two UN Biosphere Reserves and the designation of at least one river within the American Heritage Rivers Initiative. He has been a featured TV guest on the Outdoor Channel, C-Span and numerous national radio shows such as Marlin Maddoux's Point of View, the G. Gordon Liddy Show and others. He has written a definitive book that is highly recommended by several conservative members of Congress that exposes the pantheistic environmentalist phenomenon; Saviors of the Earth? The Politics and Religion of Environmentalism. He has spoken to audiences in over 125 cities in America and Canada and has participated in United Nations meetings in Europe.

In 1999 Dr. Coffman began to publish Discerning the Times Digest, a highly focused monthly newsletter designed to help busy Christians understand world events as related to the Bible and their Christian lives. In 2000, Discerning the Times began to provide a rapidly increasingly popular daily analyses of international news called Discerning the Times Daily News Bytes. Although the digest had accurately predicted what was eventually called the 9-11 terrorist attack during its first year of publication in 1999, the actual event so shocked our readers that revenues dropped sharply and we had to discontinue the digest. The focus of the two to eight daily news or reports analyzed concerned the march to global governance and religion and the loss of our individual freedoms.

Dr. Coffman accepted Jesus Christ as his savior in 1973 and is currently very active in his Church where he is a board member, active in a number of church programs and teaches an in-depth Sunday School class for adults. In the latter effort he spent 1994 and again in 1999 he undertook extensive research and writing for his class on Bible prophesy as it relates to past and current events. He is married to his lovely wife Susan, has two children Jonathan and Tamera and three grandchildren.


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Morgan

fluoride

Fluoride is added to 60 percent of US and 40 percent of Canadian tap water to reduce tooth decay. However, scientists say that actually swallowing this toxin offers virtually no dental advantage. According to recognized fluoride authority Hardy Limeback, DDS, head of Preventive Dentistry at the University of Toronto, fluOo ride's benefit derives from direct physical contact with a tooth's exterior.

"You may as well swish with fluoridated tap water and spit it out. That's how it works," Limeback says.

A dozen Nobel Prize-winning scientists have long warned of a link between fluoride and serious health problems. However, the late Dean Burk, PhD, former chief chemist at the National Cancer Institute, described fluoride's risk in the starkest terms. After cOo conducting the largest US fluoridation study in history, Burk concluded: "Fluoride causes more cancer, and causes it faster, than any other chemical." Fluoride is further linked to osteoporosis, hip frachlre, memory and neurological impairment and kidney disorders.

Federal law forbids the EPA from taking a public position for or against fluoride, but the EPA employees union is not similarly restricted. "Our union-comprising several hundred toxicologists, other scientists and lawyers-maintains its solid opposition to fluoridation," says J. William Hirzy, the union's senior vice-president.


<snip>

Bottled water can contain high levels of fluoride. Instead, choose brands that clearly indicate a fluoride content of 0.2 parts per million (ppm) or less. Here's a sampling of bottled water brands that are fluoride-free:

Apani Purifie ** Aqua Panna ** Arrowhead ** Calistoga Spring ** Crystal Geyser ** Deer Park North ** Deer Park South ** Great Bear ** Hinkley & Schmidt ** Ice Mountain Keeper Springs ** Loon Country Natural Spring ** NARA International Himalayan Spring Ozarka ** Penta ** Poland Spring Snow Valley Mountain ** Sparkletts

Fluoride content of these brands: ND [none detected]

http://www.nofluoride.com/BetterNutrition_article.htm
Morgan
Fluoride's Neurological Effects: studies show there may be grave implications for
Alzheimers, Dementia, Attention Deficit Disorder, reduced IQ in children

http://www.fluoridation.com/brain.htm


Why I am now officially opposed to adding fluoride to drinking water
http://www.fluoridealert.org/limeback.htm
Dr. Hardy Limeback, BSc, PhD, DDS
Associate Professor and Head, Preventive Dentistry
University of Toronto
Toronto, Ontario, M5G-1G6
Seeker1
So Morgan, just wondering?

Do you brush your teeth with flouride toothpaste?

I guess if you do you are very careful to avoid swallowing any.


CowboySteve
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Aug 21 2008, 10:50 PM) *
What's the source of that map?


PIROMA.


Pulled It Right Outa My Ass, using Google Images Agenda 21 UN etc....
CowboySteve
QUOTE (Morgan @ Aug 22 2008, 01:13 AM) *
Fluoride's Neurological Effects: studies show there may be grave implications for
Alzheimers, Dementia, Attention Deficit Disorder, reduced IQ in children.


I read Hardy's page there. He has some assertions which are referenced, that make a cogent argument for diminishing the fluoride added to water.

It is an incalculable and illogical leap to consider Fluoride the instrument of the Devil, though.

I think that the Fluoridation argument is very important, but as a historical event - a pre-internet cobbling together of SOME science, SOME fear, and broad alarmist assertions with untenable claims, that is the intellectual grandfather of the GLOBAL WAR ON TERRORISM. Willie Horton was only Fluoride, with a puppetmaster's hand driving the agenda. Flouridation is the intellectual ancestor of Barack-the-Islamofascist.

Fluoride, F-, is in regular seawater at 1 mg/L, or about 50 micromolar. It's more prevalent than Iodine. Seawater and seafoods pick up enough iodine to satisfy the body's requirement of iodine (in fact, to also cause iodine allergic reactions in sensitive people.) BTW - Iodine has killed FAR more people (from allergies) than fluoride has.

The CDC has some toxicology protocols on fluorides here. Interestingly, the tea plant, which makes our friendly beverage, aggressively recruits F- and puts it in its leaves (which we distill and drink.) That's why there are no Chinese people left on the planet.

One also should not confuse F- which is chemically inert, with HF and organofluorides, which are not natural products, and can be highly toxic. This is apples and oranges. F- reacts with nothing chemically, and usually becomes insoluble in complexes with things such as aluminum in the soil.

Finally, one can show that our friendly chloride anion, Cl- will occasionally but rarely photoreact, making the poison gas Cl2 used in WWI as a gas warfare agent - or even worse, Cl* which is the chloride atom, even more reactive.

From simple chemistry, one can discover that the oceans of the world produce TONS PER SECOND of chlorine gas. Of course, this is immediately neutralized in a cycle.

But next time someone complains we're trying to kill the oceans, FUCK THE OCEANS! KILL THEM BEFORE THEY KILL US FIRST! laugh.gif

The point is, there's a rudiment of truth in the fluoride story, hashed up with tons of bullshit filler. And we ain't even gone onto the aspartame argument.
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