So you are saying there is no anthropogenic global warming? You're saying there's no relationship between the way economies are structured and the climate?

If you check out the membership at Chemtrail central, one of the prolific debunkers from the early days was named theseeker. You guys sounded similar. Thanks for the response.

I liked that movie.

Uhm, I wasn't saying anyone specifically is a paid fake. There is also the concept of useful idiots. Then there is the chance that someone is just missing out a few bits of evidence to start them wondering if perhaps chemtrails are deliberate activity.

I don't think you are a fake, or if so, it isn't my place to get bogged down in that type of thinking here at this specific forum. But you have to admit that you were giving the company line minimizing HAARP's capabilities.

Also, didn't you show doubt that hurricanes can be worked on? I gave you links on Dyn-o-mat and Gel Tech Solutions. Plus there is something called environmental modification techniques.

There are tons of materials. But if you aren't a newbie and are 99% sure that chemtrails are contrails or that HAARP is a benign minor research facility, there probably isn't too much reason for us to continue.

Take it easy.

p.s. I have gotten through to many sincere chemtrail debunkers in real life. They do exist. I understand how focked it is if what we are saying is true. Unfortunately it is.

There have been reports of lights in the sky immediately preceding earthquakes for centuries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_lights

As for the clouds, they could be a circumhorizontal arc, light being refracted through the ice crystals of a cloud similar to a rainbow.

One of Keanu Reeves' finest, IMHO. I think he was also in something called the Matrix. He and Ice-T were also in some flick with a cybernetic dolphin. And some cop movies.



I was just pointing out that they have a FAQ.

Last I checked, Area 51 doesn't have one, at least not one operated by Area 51.

Neither does Mount Weather.

So I was merely pointing out that if they wanted to keep the place secret, they.... aren't.



The Dyn-O-Mite! Gel Tech guy believes his stuff can dissipate hurricanes. Let's just say there's a lack of clinical trials so far. They do claim success in lowering the strength of a thunderstorm (*). But that doesn't get you from A to B. They "believe" it can weaken a hurricane by dropping it on the eye. That's great, except they don't seem to have tried this out, yet.

(*) This claim itself is debatable, as they say they dumped their stuff on one thunderstorm off WPB, and then it vanished off Doppler radar. Considering that storms often dissipate naturally, and AFAICT they've only tried once, I think they lack evidence here, too.

"Weakened" ... even if true ... doesn't mean anybody knows how to generate them, steer them, or use them as weapons.

P.S. there is a whacko who thinks he can turn hurricanes away from the coast with a series of giant fans.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ess=105x1664000

JACKSONVILLE, Florida (AP) -- Amateur hurricane-busters have come up with any number of crackpot ideas to spare Florida from ferocious storms. Among them: blowing hurricanes away with giant fans or blowing them up with nuclear warheads.

Even the federal government got into the act, with three decades of ill-fated research called "Project Stormfury" before shelving the idea of weather modification in the 1980s.

But dozens of ideas -- part hope, part fantasy -- continue to crop up among weather wonks, Internet bloggers and others who think they have come up with a way to spare coastal residents the misery of hurricanes.

Suggestions have included coating the surface of the water with olive oil; towing an iceberg down to Florida to cool down the water temperature; or building large fans on the coast to blow away approaching storms.

"And then there was a guy who called and said he could pray them away," said Hugh Willoughby, a research professor with the International Hurricane Center at Florida International University.

By far the most outlandish proposal, and one of the most recurrent, was the idea to use a nuclear warhead to blow a hurricane out of the water.

"Hurricanes are bad enough without being radioactive," Willoughby said. "Put that genie back in the bottle. Nuclear weapons are more dangerous than hurricanes."

[snip]

Willoughby says he gets dozens of suggestions a year, most of them outlandish, impractical, or simply utter bullshit.



I haven't seen much evidence that they aren't contrails, and therefore through Ockham's Razor conclude the likeliest explanation is that they are.

As for HAARP - I repeat - the exact same research they do there (ionospheric heating) is being conducted in Europe, Russia, and Canada. Shouldn't we be worried there as well?

Ha, Wikipedia, that's funny. Sorry, I don't have the time to track down the rebuttal for you. It can be found at the forum in my signature on the haarp thread. If you can debunk my whole website, then you win.

Funny how those same clouored clouds are being witnessed when there is no earthquake activity. Barium, for example has blue/purple/gree qualities.

Good lurkers, beware the closed-minded debunkers and the crazy believers. Seek out the documents, articles, etc.. If people sound robotic or too ideological, what is the point? This thread has turned into an energy drain, imho.

National Hurricane Center FAQ

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C4.html

Subject : C4) Has there ever been an attempt or experiment to reduce the strength of a hurricane ?

The U.S. Government once supported research into methods of hurricane modification, known as Project STORMFURY. For a couple decades NOAA and its predecessor tried to weaken hurricanes by dropping silver iodide - a substance that serves as a effective ice nuclei - into the rainbands of the storms

[snip]

Because the results of seeding experiments were so inconclusive, STORMFURY was discontinued. A special committee of the National Academy of Sciences concluded that a more complete understanding of the physical processes taking place in hurricanes was needed before any additional modification experiments.

[snip]

Subject: C5d) Why don't we try to destroy tropical cyclones by adding a water absorbing substance?

[snip]

Accepting for the sake of argument that they actually did have an effect, the descriptions seem more consistent with an increase in hydrometeor fall speed and accelerated collision coalescence, which the numerical model results argue would strengthen the hurricane, but not much. If this speculation proves to be correct, "Dyn-O-Gel" might be useful for rainmaking during a dry spell, unlike glaciogenic seeding which (in the tropics at least) tends to make rainy days even more rainy--if it does anything at all.

One of the biggest problems is, however, that it would take a LOT of the stuff to even hope to have an impact. 2 cm of rain falling over 1 square kilometer of surface deposits 20,000 metric tons of water. At the 2000-to-one ratio that the "Dyn-O-Gel" folks advertise, each square km would require 10 tons of goop. If we take the eye to be 20 km in diameter surrounded by a 20km thick eyewall, that's 3,769.91 square kilometers, requiring 37,699.1 tons of "Dyn-O-Gel.

[snip]

Using NOAA planes with a standard payload, they'd need to overfly the hurricane and drop the goop 377 times. Assuming it works like they claim. On the bright side, they could get very, very rich if the government buys their shit by the ton....

Final part of this section of their FAQ:

There have been numerous techniques that we have considered over the years to modify hurricanes: seeding clouds with dry ice or Silver Iodide, cooling the ocean with cryogenic material or icebergs, changing the radiational balance in the hurricane environment by absorption of sunlight with carbon black, exploding the hurricane apart with hydrogen bombs, and blowing the storm away from land with giant fans, etc. (Some of these have been addressed in detail in this section of FAQ's.) As carefully reasoned as some of these suggestions are, they all share the same shortcoming: They fail to appreciate the size and power of tropical cyclones. For example, when Hurricane Andrew struck South Florida in 1992, the eye and eyewall devastated a swath 20 miles wide. The heat energy released around the eye was 5,000 times the combined heat and electrical power generation of the Turkey Point nuclear power plant over which the eye passed. The kinetic energy of the wind at any instant was equivalent to that released by a nuclear warhead. Perhaps if the time comes when men and women can travel at nearly the speed of light to the stars, we will then have enough energy for brute-force intervention in hurricane dynamics.

[snip]

Full disclosure: I don't know anybody who works at HAARP, but I do know people at the National Hurricane Center. (It is on my campus. The guy I know best studies social impacts of hurricane disasters.)

Having lived through several shitty hurricanes (including Wilma which knocked out my power for ten days in freaking late October, beeyotch), I'd love if we could control them or stop them. Unfortunately, we can't. It's a nice pipe dream, though.

I'm out of this thread.

I don't hang out on chemtrails forums, but I do on political forums, which usually draw the chemtrails people to the conspiracy section.

My question for you then is the one I ask all "chemtrails" people. If the government is using "chemtrails" to test chemicals and their effects on people (barium, or whatever else), what would be the point of dropping those gasses from planes at high altitude where they dissipate quickly? Why not release them at ground level, or into the water supply?

Hope you'll answer my question before you go.

It's the same one I ask lots of chemtrails people. Rarely get a good answer, though.

Hey look! It's in the shape of an unborn baby!!

It's a MIRACLE!

You people are idiots. You're so easily brainwashed by corporate media and the laughable congress who pretends to care about you.

Another one who has just figured out that the gubbament does f'ed up things to its own citizens.

Brilliant.

I used to hang out on chemtrail forums. I started at Chemtrail Central in the middle of 2006. About a month later I was at an off-shoot chemtrail forum whose premise was that CTC was daarpa infested. Long story short, I believe that all the major chemtrail forums have been rigged. But I don't want to go off-topic on this thread with my ideas about a rigged internet. I am simply grateful to have gotten that idea out to the masses.

If you want to know where I am coming from, you can check out the forum in my signature. I actually resent this question. And you are not the first one to frame it as such. It makes me question your sincerity. Now where did I ever write that chemtrails are about testing chemicals on the population? You saw on the weather mitigation bill thread, that I see chemtrails as being a Frankensteinian approach to climate change and actually, I think a lot of the chemtrailing has been about blocking out uv-b rays. I find it very curious that you would try to box chemmies into such a tinfoil corner. This is what I am talking about when I mention closed-minded debunkers. And this is precisely why I am out of this thread. When people don't post fairly, there is no point in continuing.

Having posted on the side of this issue suggesting there is concern to be had regarding H.A.A.R.P. I feel I should state for the record that I wish to distance myself from the above comments or anything of the like. I think there is ample cause for concern about H.A.A.R.P., but even I know crazy talk when I read it. The one part that I can agree upon is that I, too, think I've seen enough on this thread.

Fair enough.

While you apparently may not believe this, I have found some "chemtrails" people do. I'm sorry if you don't believe as they do.

Next question: how would very narrow and thin air trails in the atmosphere block anything other than a tiny amount of UV radiation, and what is the point of doing this? Don't get mad - I'm trying to understand.

Are they doing this to combat global warming, or to block UV radiation (presumably, due to ozone depletion). Which is it?

Yes, of course, you can be in the "truth movement" and think some people in the movement are wrong in their beliefs. All of us differ with regard to specifics. You have read enough on this subject on this message board alone to know how often we argue among ourselves. We just believe the government has lied about what really happened and we want the truth to come out. We may argue with each other and even ourselves about what that truth may be. But you know that!

On the other hand, when you try to mischaracterize people in the "truth movement" as all believing as one and marching in lockstep, it could make some people think you are not interested in 9/11 truth, as much as 9/11 debunking. Unfair and false characterizations of the "truth movement" and its members is a standard and much-used method of ridicule and characters assassination, often used by debunkers.

You will not see Atomic and Who and I attacking each other, for example, although we may differ on certain elements of what we each think happened. No. It is the debunkers who attack personally, try to distract from the discussion at hand and are not open to reasonable argument.

If you feel the government lied to us about 9/11 and wish the truth to come out, then I accept you, on your word, as a 9/11 truth seeker. Neither would I wish to reject your arguments without fair consideration. But please know that respect must be reciprocal. If sincere truth seekers use the tactics of the debunkers, then how are we to distinguish them from the debunkers? The debunkers rarely discuss the issues respectfully, but prefer personal attacks, ridicule and rudeness to genuine debate. The debunkers show little interest in what really happened on 9/11, but seem obsessed with attacking those who are seeking the truth.

Seeker, did you ever answer my question to you about what former Secretary of Defense William Cohen meant in his oft-quoted remarks on the subject?

No. I'm not a mind reader. So no, I have no idea what he was talking about when he said that.

You can ask me to speculate, but I care not to.

I'm sorry if that dis-satisfies you, but that is my answer to your question; I don't know what he was talking about when he said that, nor do I care to guess.

If you insist on speculation, there has been a long-standing but mistaken belief in many sectors of the American military that the Soviets had made scientific advances that gave them military superiority over us. I would guess Cohen might be one of those people that might believe one of those advances was meteorological control.

Thanks for respecting my claim that there are chemmies who don't go for the ridiculous ideas. Most of it has been planted on the internet utilizing a strawman, muddying the waters, and raising the noise to signal ratio strategy. To see where I am coming from, one can check out the chemtrails are not kooky section at my humble forum.

As long as I am not ridiculed, I am more than willing to interact with others. But just like anyone else, I need indications that the opposition is sincere. I am personally bored with classic closed-minded debunker/crazy believer threads. They don't amount to diddly.

You do realise that if we had a ton of cash, and if both of us are sincere, honest people, this chemtrail versus contrail debate could be solved fairly quickly. Rosalind Peterson was on the Discovery Channel show on chemtrails. She says they gave her the bait and switch. They went back on their word that they would test materials from an actual chemplume. They tested commercial jet fuel. The commercial fuel predictably came out clean. The military fuel, which doesn'y have the same specifications as the commercial, was not allowed to be tested by the show.

There are patents for aerosol dispersals. Some video appears to show chemjunk coming directly out of the tails. Also, aircraft can be run dirty. I guess my point is that chemtrails is not crazy science-fiction. If one can get beyond the planted disinformation, that is where the truth lies.

We could use the appleman chart to study trails. These things would take money. I am in Massachusetts. The only place with upper readings is a ways away in Cape Cod. And Cape Cod gets different weather than the inland territory. Readings are only taken twice a day.

I tried it one "chemtrail day." The humidity simply was not present for trails to never dissipate and instead spread out into a fake cloud cover. The temperatures and elevation weren't there. You need certain conditions for persistent contrails to form.

There's simply no evidence that commercial aircraft are involved.

But to stop before rambling too much, to answer the question, here are a few links.

Surface UV Dose Sensitivity to Atmospheric Conditions

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I think the ozone holes are a much more immediate problem than global warming. The trails are too low to off-set global warming. Geoengineering plans such as Crutzen's and Teller's were hypothesized for the stratosphere. The point would be that if it weren't being done, we would be fried by the solar rays, the uv-b rays in particular.

There is a patent for dispersing melanins to provide uv-b ray protection. This isn't crazy science fiction. But there is tons of crap on chemtrails all over the internet, the abundance and range of which tells me that it was planted. I am talking about tinfoil by association 101.

Not once have I felt chemtrails are for spraying us like bugs for depopulation. That is ludicrous.

Other ideas I have are that chemtrails are for creating stalled overcasts, perhaps also for some environmental modification techniques. They could also be used for remote sensing. And yes, HAARP not only has weather modification applications, it also is used for military communication.

In conclusion, I think it is mostly done because of the ozone holes and also for a long-term goal of controlling the weather. Climate change is on the way. It is cheaper for the pigs to do the Frankensteinian atmospheric shenanigans than it is to restructure the overall ways our economies run. Plus, the chemtrails are creating total white-outs. Astronomers can no longer see what is going on above. There could definitely be some geoengineering going on in the inaccessible stratosphere.

It is not a coincidence that Popular Science has come out with a debunking article on HAARP, saying it is mostly for improving submarines, and that it is a small research station, while accentuating the kooky mind control theories. You certainly must know of Eastlund's vision of HAARP as a weather manipulator.

I'm not gonna edit, so I hope this made sense. Take it easy.

The HAARP patents mentioned the use of barium. Barium has some very funky clour qualities. I don't think the earthquake was a product of "weather-wars." I think weather wars is as stupid a concept as the depopulation theories. Weather wars would be like nuclear wars. They are both mutually assured destruction. Maybe there is some tinkering going on here and there, that would not surprise me, but there is no proof of HAARP causing earthquakes.


I want to see evidence of commercial aircraft creating white-outs. That will be presented when pigs fly.

Cult terminology for the out-group.

See also: sheeple, paid disinformationist, shill, believer of the "original conspiracy theory" or "official fable", etc.



You can not.

You must have the Pauline experience of being knocked off your horse, since you OBVIOUSLY believe EVERYTHING the gubbabment says. You must share in the collective conversion experience of those calling themselves "truthers". If you don't you shall be publicly flogged with pancakes and paraded naked in the streets with a "D" branded on your rear end by gigantic globs of thermite for all to see.



Out of the question.

Only people who label themselves "truthers" get to question things.

No one is permitted to question them. It's not allowed.

OK, that's true, but they are also forming over the north and south poles. The problem's become so serious that some arctic life (penguins) are beginning to be born blind from intense UV exposure. So I won't say it's not serious.

If it's a problem they're trying to combat, why not do it over the poles, not over the U.S.?

You non-believers need to review Rep Kucinich's Act of 2001

SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.

(2)(A) The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following:

(i) Damaging or destroying an object (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by--

(I) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object;

(II) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object;

(III) directing a source of energy (including molecular or atomic energy, subatomic particle beams, electromagnetic radiation, plasma, or extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation) against that object; or

(IV) any other unacknowledged or as yet undeveloped means.

(ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person (or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--

(I) through the use of any of the means described in clause (i) or subparagraph (;

(II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or

(III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.

(B ) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

© The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html

Oh yay.

Another CT evangelical.

No thanks, already had the conversion experience. Don't plan on going through it again, just to have the correct "belief".

Query. What is a "psychotronic" weapon and how many do we have?



Been there, done that.



Which "extraterrestrial" weaponry are we supposed to have? Are they at Area 51? Will Bob Lazar consult in the disarmament process?



What are "tectonic" weapons and which ones are we supposed to have?

Oh yeah, I know of this bill, it was the one reason why I thought Kucinich was a very long longshot for the presidency.

Pentagon Fights EPA On Pollution Cleanup
By Lyndsey Layton
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, June 30, 2008; Page A01

The Defense Department, the nation's biggest polluter, is resisting orders from the Environmental Protection Agency to clean up Fort Meade and two other military bases where the EPA says dumped chemicals pose "imminent and substantial" dangers to public health and the environment.

The Pentagon has also declined to sign agreements required by law that cover 12 other military sites on the Superfund list of the most polluted places in the country. The contracts would spell out a remediation plan, set schedules, and allow the EPA to oversee the work and assess penalties if milestones are missed.

more...

You see, they really don't work for US. They don't give a damn about the American People. They work for the NWO. Wasn't that a George Carlin line?

What's your definition of the NWO? I've heard countless ones.

1. The Vatican

2. The Jesuits

3. The Knights of Malta

4. The Illuminati Freemasons who go to Bohemian Grove and weird out (see 1, 2 and 3)

5. Israel controlling everything through Mossad

6. Israel controlling everything because "Jews own the banks"

7. Jewish bankers in cahoots with Hollywood to undermine western Christian society by promoting things like Civil Rights, race-mixing, wacky ideas of equality, etc

8. Rothschilds, Rockefellers, CFR, etc

9. Reptilian UFOs mated with Aryan hermaphrodites and gave us a super race of satanic telepathic individuals who control everything

10. Reptilian UFOs mated with the Jacobites and gave us a super race of satanic telepathic individuals who control everything.

11. Reptilian UFOs mated with the tribe of Dan who gave us the Merovingians and then the international bankers, Karl Marx, etc.

I think those are supposed to be the people who do the crop circles and give people Morgellons.

Where do you fall on this continuum?

please dont quote or mention George Carlin...George Carlin was a caring and sensitive man, who while on stage said things that people needed to hear, including that our politicians dont care about us, and they dont.

but he also wasnt a conspiracy theorist, he was a realist...the specifics of what he did or didnt believe arent relevant, but I can assure you he would never connect himself to the conspiracy crowd, this much I am certain.

and by the way, some people give the word "conspiracy" a bad name, I am sure there have been and are conspiracies against the American people by politicians, corporations, of varying type and degree, but today a conspiracy theorist is tied in with the MIHOP and others crowd and that is a problem...

I think I have found the answer!

Washington Psychotronic Film Society
http://www.wpfs.org/

Clearly, Kucinich wanted to ban the showing of the following films...





etc.

Carol Rosin was the cointelpro-like spook who put the word chemtrails into the draft of a Kucinich bill. She is associated with the disinformation group The Disclosure Project. That was one of the many strawmen created to make something obviously deliberate appear as an enigma or the result of greater increased air traffic. I've yet to see one "believer" just say yeah, that's nuts that extra-terrestrial bullshit. They must have put that in to portray chemtrails as some new age, lefty hoax or delusion.

I've yet to see one "debunker" say wow, I wonder how contrails got twisted into some alien weapon and got into that bill. Hey, wait a second. Maybe I better take a look at the pictures and videos. Maybe I should avoid all the crazy believer talk and see what exactly fuels this chemtrails hoax. Could it possible be true?

The crazy believer versus closed-minded debunker script has been thoroughly exposed.

That was pretty neat what I came up with with the info about the attentuation of uv-b rays in the troposphere, where the fake clouds are being created. I bet they probably do dispersals over oceans. Gotta save the plankton or something. People are naive if they don't think there is a lot of tampering going on with the earth and atmosphere. The ptb's are so scared, they plant crazy extra-terrestrial weapon bans side-by-side with chemtrails.


http://www.animatedsoftware.com/cassini/cass2001/nks0003.htm

Nukes, Kooks, and Spooks #3
Carol Rosin: Mad Hatter or Mata Hari?
by Russell D. Hoffman
May 16th, 2000


Hoffman was a real peace activist who exposed Carol Rosin for being shady. She was a fifth-column traitor to the ideals of peace in space. Check out that article. I know the RRMB doesn't like us copying and pasting. He called her out as probable intel spookage.

The following is not normal and cannot be explained as anything but deliberate weather modification.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWoFJ3yVEME

Seeker, I am not asking you to speculate. It's just that there is a contradiction in your thinking, if you credit Cohen's remarks. He clearly was talking about weather weaponization, yet you seem certain that such technology does not exist, at least in the U.S. Neither am I willing to accept that Cohen was speaking only about programs in other nations or that the Soviets possessed the technology and the U.S. did not. It is speculation to assume either of these facts, without evidence. But it is also illogical to dismiss Cohen's remarks simply because it does not fit in with your theory. It seems more reasonable to factor in Cohen's remarks with all the other existing data.

I was merely asking you to reconcile all the evidence, when it is considered together as a whole. It appears that you are rejecting Cohen's statement because it does not support your assertion.

AND, Dennis Kucinich wouldn't friggin stick his neck out on the chopping block ...coz he's some kind of masochist? Dennis was tring to stop them from USING and ABUSING Americans with experimental research OR intentional use of these deceptive weapons on The People with the most nefarious plan to sicken them(which does make pharma more money) or worse, to exterminate them without a peep.

Seeker1, and others who 'shut down' before really looking...are going to be hit hard before this 'age of revealing' is finished.

Your sources are CRAP.

If you don't LOOK UP and watch them, I don't know what else I can say to you. It means you're just bs. And you just to discredit the mountains of information, lab tests, documents, congressional Acts, lectures and video footage that's available.

Listen..all you have to do is review the LAB TESTS. Which you won't do because you're lazy OR .... what? You tell me. If you really want to see 'white outs' you'll need to go watch 'time lapsed' trails. The French and Dutch have collected some great footage and put it up on youtube. Just go use keywords, "chemtrails time lapsed", etc..

The process of 'persistant trails' turning into a miasma fog takes about an hour or so. You can literally see the particulates being swept by the wind. And they're usually un 30,000 ft(the lowest latitude ice crystals can form from moisture) There has to be several jets..let's say, 5-10 fat trails across the sky. Just start looking up on a clear day, mid afternoon OR before a storm 'front' comes in. Watch for those 'dry days', when you shouldnt be seeing evaporation from the ground.

Also, I've observed most of the 'fogging' takes place just at sunrise. This is because once they get a nice thick coat up(white sky), they can continue spraying all day, pretty much unnoticed by people who don't know the characteristics. I've become so keen in spotting the varieties of aerosol methods, I feel like I'm an eskimo describing the varieties of snow.

Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?
Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for mysterious 'colony collapse' of bees
By Geoffrey Lean and Harriet Shawcross
Sunday, 15 April 2007
LINK

Close...yet not quite. The scientists are not allowed to bring up the topic, "Microwave Warfare Technology" or Ionisphere Heaters or ELF or EMF technology. Cell towers are bad for all living things, but HAARP scrambles all sorts brainwave activities for many species relying on it for navigation.

Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Defense Viewpoint, December 1, 1998

"One can envision the development of electromagnetic energy sources, the output of which can be pulsed, shaped, and focused, that can couple with the human body in a fashion that will allow one to prevent voluntary muscular movements, control emotions (and thus actions), produce sleep, transmit suggestions, interfere with both short-term and long-term memory, produce an experience set, and delete an experience set. It would also appear possible to create high fidelity speech in the human body, raising the possibility of covert suggestion and psychological direction...Thus, it may be possible to 'talk' to selected adversaries in a fashion that would be most disturbing to them."

A Study of the History of US Intelligence Community Human Rights Violations and Continuing Research
in Investigative Research

By Peter Phillips, Lew Brown and Bridget Thornton

This research explores the current capabilities of the US military to use electromagnetic (EMF) devices to harass, intimidate, and kill individuals and the continuing possibilities of violations of human rights by the testing and deployment of these weapons. To establish historical precedent in the US for such acts, we document long-term human rights and freedom of thought violations by US military/intelligence organizations. Additionally, we explore contemporary evidence of on-going government research in EMF weapons technologies and examine the potentialities of continuing human rights abuses.

see pdf file...

Maybe we just aren't as gullible as you are? Did you ever consider that?

Ohhhh...you're not gullible if you refuse to read the material.

But, no matter, someday even this will be made clear.

Have a nice day

A Study of the History of US Intelligence Community Human Rights Violations and Continuing Research
in Investigative Research
By Peter Phillips, Lew Brown and Bridget Thornton

This research explores the current capabilities of the US military to use electromagnetic (EMF) devices to harass, intimidate, and kill individuals and the continuing possibilities of violations of human rights by the testing and deployment of these weapons. To establish historical precedent in the US for such acts, we document long-term human rights and freedom of thought violations by US military/intelligence organizations. Additionally, we explore contemporary evidence of on-going government research in EMF weapons technologies and examine the potentialities of continuing human rights abuses.

more...

I'd like for it to rain men. Can They™ make it do that?

It's fiscally foolish to doubt the Billions of dollars still pouring into DARPA Projects.

When was the last time anyone of you GOOGLED 'DARPA'?

Even when our country is bankrupt, Congress still forces its citizens to sign on the dotted line...TRILLIONS FOR THE PENTAGON.

DARPA has been the #1 Defense spender for ROBOTICS of everything you can imagine...and everything you couldn't imagine...including Weather Mitigation on a HUGE SCALE.

Do your research...and stop bullshitting yourselves about the danger we find ourselves moving further into...and further out of our control.