WHY H.A.A.R.P.?

"Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important."
-- Secretary of Defense William Cohen, 1997, Counterterrorism Conference

What Secretary Cohen did not say in his 1997 remarks was that by "others" he meant Russia, with its "Operation Woodpecker," and the US, with its "High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program" (HAARP).

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Problems? Profits!

"Reconstruction is now such a big business that investors greet each new disaster with the excitement of a hot new stock offering: $30 billion for Iraq reconstruction, $13 billion for tsunami reconstruction, $110 billion for New Orleans and the Gulf Coast."
-- Paul B. Farrell, Oct. 16, 2007, Dow Jones Business News,
"War, Terror, Catastrophe: Profiting From 'Disaster Capitalism'"

"It's as if the entire Gulf Coast were obliterated by the worst kind of weapon you can imagine."
-- George W. Bush, touring Katrina damage, Sep. 3, 2005, Washington Post,
"An Embattled Bush Says 'Results Are Not Acceptable'"

"We finally cleaned up public housing in New Orleans. We couldn't do it, but God did."
-- Rep. Richard H. Baker (R, La.), Washington Post, Sep. 10, 2005,
"Some GOP Legislators Hit Jarring Notes in Addressing Katrina"

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How It Works

Dr Nick Begich
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zs-97QkNHd8&feature=related

HAARP CBC Broadcast Weather control part 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QkLTzesBxGE&feature=related
HAARP CBC Broadcast Weather control part 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zi1nLmlicxU&feature=related

FULFORD VS. HAARP
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0VX0JvpW5q0&feature=related

More confirmation of Weather Warfare - China, Myanmar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0woRRKlMO8...feature=related

30 mins before the 2008 Sichuan earthquake in China
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKMTSDzU1Z4...feature=related
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Warfare uses - H.A.A.R.P. was owned by Raytheon until last year(2007), when BAE(UK) bought the Alaskan facility.

PROJECT BLUEBEAM H A A R P
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w30ffve_JQM&feature=related

Energy Science, Mind Control & HAARP
http://youtube.com/watch?v=al92PrkN6Yk

Nuclear Explosion Occurred Near Epicenter of the Sichuan Earthquake, Expert Says

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Military

Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025

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Legislation - in effort to stop the insanity

Introduced by Rep. Dennic Kucinich (D-OH)
H.R. 2977 - `Space Preservation Act of 2001' introduced October 2, 2001, 107th Congress, 1st Session. The bill was referred to committee and no futher action ensued.

Introduced by Rep. Dennic Kucinich (D-OH)
H.R. 3616 Space Preservation Act of 2002 introduced January 23, 2002, 107th Congress, 2d Session. The bill was referred to committee and no further action ensued.

Introduced by Rep. Dennic Kucinich (D-OH)
H.R. 2420 Space Preservation Act of 2005 introduced May 18, 2005, 109th Congress, 1st Session, with 34 co-sponsors (see accompanying list). The bill was referred to committee and no further action ensued.

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There are supossedly 60-80 'antennae array' sites around the world. I was surprised to find some online.

EISCAT in Ramfjordmoen
Tromsø in Norway

Sura Facility
Nizhniy Novgorod, Russia

VIDEO: ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP
In-Depth Lecture with Dr Nick Benich

After you watch this lecture...ask yourself this. Wouldn't it make sense to open dialogue with Al Gore on these military applications? And all the Bankers who will stand to profit from the 'Carbon Credit Exchange' set up by NGOs(who are funded by banks) at an international scale?

Raytheon(E-Systems) sold the Alaskan facility to BAE last year. The headquarters of BAE is in the UK. I am curious as to why this was done. Does it mean 'Memorandum 195' is legally lost in space? Exchanging hands, over and over, does leave room to lose critical files...especially if the citizens of the planet wanted to confront the corporation/military with a suit. Also, these corporations are in the US military industrial complex. These corporations can have protections from public exposure through military classifications.

This powerful technology can damage our atmosphere, far worse than ozone depletion. It can change weather patterns, create 'natural' disasters, wipe out crops, disrupt animal migrations(including sudden disorientations, i.e. bees/bats), create earthquakes and manipulate the brain wave pulse patterns of all living creatures. Dr Benich explains this technology can be focused in a 'power beam' which can be a pinpoint on a map or opened to expose its effects on an entire hemisphere.

Are the bells ringing in your head yet?

Yes, it's a cacophonous tintinnabulation, but there are so many distractions in this dog-eat-dog world, that it goes almost unnoticed by most.

http://www.cheniere.org
http://weatherwars.info
http://www.eastlundscience.com
http://www.carnicom.com
http://www.chemtrails911.com
http://www.bariumblues.com
http://www.willthomasonline.net

This geoengineering by aerosol emissions coupled w/ HAARP's scalar waves, is certainly manipulating our weather worldwide, & other stuff.

In my "fun with insomnia" I was listening to Will Thomas on Coast to Coast AM talking about chemtrails at the ass crack of dawn today, and he said something that really struck me.

Thomas (who's actually met and interviewed Bernard Eastlund) mentioned how HAARP could be used to break up viruses into nano-particles at high altitude, and by doing so achieve a wide dispersal pattern otherwise impossible because UV rays would normally kill said viruses when released at high altitudes.

So I had a wild thought that I'm gonna just throw out there as a theory. I'm just spit-balling here....

One thing I noticed about our recent tomato outbreak, was that the CDC and FDA were confused by the shear SIZE of the incidents -- over 23 states. And they never did confirm a localized source for the outbreak.

Do you think it's possible that since according to Thomas' gov't source they are developing methods to in his words "take out a country" that they tried creating a genetically targeted virus (ie. something that would say, only attach/chemically bond to GM tomatoes) sprayed it in the air, broke it into nano-particles via HAARP, then watched to see how the outbreaks revealed the effectiveness of the dispersal pattern?

I know that's a wild idea, but considering that the Church Committee absolutely confirmed that the gov't tried dispersing toxins into NY subways and over cities like San Francisco in the past, needless to say, equally weird things have happened before, so I see no reason why this gov't in particular (which seems to have no moral limits) wouldn't take a stab at it.

Anyways, I'd be curious to hear others thoughts as to the potential validity or lack thereof of such a theory.

If such a thing could be achieved, they could say genetically target a type of plant particular to Country X, create a toxin of much greater lethality than the one which impacted the tomatoes, pop it up in the air at high altitude above that nation and then break it apart using HAARP, and when people began dying of it, just blame the plant for the disease. Theoretically, you wouldn't leave fingerprints, which is just the kind of thing covert ops looks for.

I heard a part of last night's C2C progamming. Mr. Thomas said that those types of aerosol emissions are only used 1 in every 100 missions.

The UVBs are getting real powerful here on the West Slope of Colorado. Last wk. I was operating a crane for my friend, who is building a house on his land above Dolores.
I sunburned my lips & face so bad that they blistered, & I was wearing a cowboy-hat for protection too.

Biological warfare is certainly a possibility, but another plausible explanation is perhaps the unintended consequences of the geoengineering that has possibly caused biological material that resides in the atmosphere, to be sequestered back to earth w/ the aluminum/barium, etc... aerosol emissions.

Operation S.H.A.D. took place during our excursion into VietNam. US Navy warships were sprayed w/ a witches-brew of chemical & biological
materials. I can't find out if my ship was one of the chosen, because part of that intelligence is still sealed.

Do you remember when Randi Rhodes and Cindy Shehan attended the Stop The War rally in Wash. DC a few yrs. back?
Didn't the crowd get hit w/ a spray of powdered tuleramia (rabbit-fever)?

The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein

All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, And thirdly, it is accepted as self evident. -Aurthur Shopenhauer

I think it is a bit of a coincidence that all these storms washed out the very area of the midwest where most of our ethanol production was located.

Yeah, I am suspicious of all the storms too. Iowa backed Obama and they got hit. New Orleans was almost totally Democratic and they got hit. Now many of those people are in Houston and now they're are rumors of a false flag attack having been planned for Houston where the port security is weak.

Besides, when Iran and Pakistan and Indonesia get hit with earthquakes or cyclones, the U.S. steps in to "help". Bubba and Poppy show up and gain access to the regions because they are such "humanitarians". Many countries are dubious of the U.S.'s "help" when they are hit with catastrophes and I can certainly understand why.

HAARP seems to be another subject that few people dare to speak about. Don't we have a right to know about what our government does in our name? At least, I did hear someone mention HAARP on Washington Journal this morning on Cspan. I hope others looked it up.

You know, the place is not like Area 51. Nothing they do there is classified.

They have a web site. They even have a FAQ. There are universities that participate in open research there.

You can visit. They welcome visitors to their open house. It is a research project. They're doing research on the ionosphere. It's actually research that goes back to the Int'l Geophysical Year in the 1950s.

I wonder how many people who've written all kinds of crazy nonsense about this have ever bothered to visit the site during an open house? It's not restricted. They even publish their research in several journals.

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/faq.html

What is HAARP?

HAARP stands for The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program. The goal of this program is to further advance our knowledge of the physical and electrical properties of the Earth's ionosphere which can affect our military and civilian communication and navigation systems. The HAARP program operates a world-class ionospheric research facility located in Gakona, Alaska.

[snip]

Can I visit HAARP?

The HAARP Research Station does not employ sufficient on-site staff to allow routine tours of the facility. Entry to the facility is normally restricted to those having a need to conduct business at the facility.
We recognize that there is great interest in the scientific work of the facility and, as a result, we hold an annual open house at which any and all are invited to visit the site. Several scientists are usually present at these open houses so that visitors can talk directly with those who use the facility for research. Open houses have been held most years since 1995 and have proven to be a popular event.

[snip]

Is HAARP a classified project?

HAARP is not classified. There are no classified documents pertaining to HAARP. The Environmental Impact Process (EIP) documents have always been, are now, and will always be completely descriptive of the program in its entirety. The EIP documents are a matter of public record.

[snip]

Why is ionospheric research important?

The fundamental goal of research conducted at HAARP is knowledge; to explore and to understand natural phenomena occurring in the Earth's ionosphere and near-space environment. Information derived from this research will have major value in the design of future communication and navigation systems for both military and civilian use.

[snip]

Where can I read about the research that is conducted at the HAARP Observatory?

Research conducted at the HAARP Observatory is generally published in peer-reviewed scientific journals such as the Journal of Geophysical Research, Geophysical Research Letters, and Radio Science.

[snip]

What Universities have participated in the HAARP program?

Several universities have played a major role in HAARP from its inception to the present time including the University of Alaska, The Leland Stanford University, Penn State University (ARL), Boston College, Dartmouth University, Cornell University, University of Maryland, University of Massachusetts, MIT, Polytechnic University, UCLA, Clemson University and the University of Tulsa. The development of the program objectives and initial design concept, selection of the prime contractor, development of diagnostic equipment, and the planning of research campaigns have all been heavily dependent on university involvement. University students and professors make up the majority of attendees at the annual Ionospheric Interactions Workshop where progress in ionospheric research is reported.

[snip]

Is HAARP capable of affecting the weather?

The HAARP facility will not affect the weather. Transmitted energy in the frequency ranges that will be used by HAARP is not absorbed in either the troposphere or the stratosphere - the two levels of the atmosphere that produce the earth's weather. Electromagnetic interactions only occur in the near-vacuum of the rarefied region above about 70 km known as the ionosphere.

The ionosphere is created and continuously replenished as the sun's radiation interacts with the highest levels of the Earth's atmosphere. The downward coupling from the ionosphere to the stratosphere/troposphere is extremely weak, and no association between natural ionospheric variability and surface weather and climate has been found, even at the extraordinarily high levels of ionospheric turbulence that the sun can produce during a geomagnetic storm. If the ionospheric storms caused by the sun itself don't affect the surface weather, there is no chance that HAARP can do so either.

[snip]

I suggest those who think this facility is capable of affecting the weather are ignorant of the phenomena in question. It is primarily a research station, and what little energy they do emit into the ionosphere is mostly for research purposes, and to help develop better radio communications.

Since you know nothing about the range of technology, nor what it implies...I think you should wait on that judgement call.

You need a whole lot more research than going to the HAARP site and copying their ;spin'. You sound as if you never watched any of the videos and didn't read any of the material at EarthPulse or Carnicorn or a number of websites which have been watching this 'research' for 10 yrs.

Even Tesla shutdown his haarp, once he realized it could damage the upper atmosphere, even ignite it.

Making 'communications technology' sound innocent isnt needed here. If you doubt what is being said here, I would suggest you notify Dennis Kucinich's office for more information.

Well, I have some news for you, while Dennis Kucinich's principled leftism has never been a problem for me, his kooky New Age views were. I personally was not bothered by the fact that he said he saw a UFO, millions of Americans have, including former president Carter, while he was governor. I think it may have bothered people more that he said he saw it at Shirley MacLaine's house, though.

I sense Kucinich listens a little too much to some in the New Age crowd, which is why he passed a bill in 2001 banning "extra terrestrial" and "psychotronic" as well as "climate change" weaponry.

That one never made it to the House floor, and with good reason. It can be hard to ban something we don't have. As far as climate change, does this mean the Air Force would be banned from cloud seeding for rain?

It was exactly for this reason that I thought Edwards was more "electable" than Kucinich - I always knew he was a longshot but I also knew on the slim chance he became the nominee he would be mercilessly dissected for passing ridiculous legislation like that 2001 bill.

I think Dennis is on the right track. I am getting to like the idea of the government supplanting the ancient Gods as the omnipotent center for the direction of all earthly affairs. I would really much prefer having some thoughtful bureaucrat directing the Hurricane season rather than having to go through the unpleasantness of sacrificing a virgin to appease the Wind God. Now, if I don't like the weather, all I need do is send a message to the Federal Weather Control Center to request more sunshine in my neighborhood. I am sure it will be at least as effective as a human sacrifice.

That's great.

Pat Robertson thinks he can turn Hurricanes by prayer.

You think we have the technology to do it.

I believe it's hidden under the secret ET-based asteroid-destroying deflector beam they have housed at Area 51.

Keep praying.

If you think anybody can turn one of these ... I have bridges for sale for you at great rates.

Old fashioned weather control:


Modern weather control:

bush blew in the storm to take out the poor, then he desided iowa was too much for obama and sent in another storm. come on. and we go after religious faith here? yikes.

H.R. 3445: Weather Mitigation Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2007
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Sponsor: Rep. Mark Udall [D-CO]
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110th CONGRESS

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H. R. 3445
To establish the Weather Mitigation Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES


August 3, 2007

Mr. UDALL of Colorado introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Science and Technology


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A BILL
To establish the Weather Mitigation Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,


SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Weather Mitigation Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2007'.


SEC. 2. PURPOSE.

It is the purpose of this Act to develop and implement a comprehensive and coordinated national weather mitigation policy and a national cooperative Federal and State program of weather mitigation research and development.


SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) BOARD- The term `Board' means the Weather Mitigation Advisory and Research Board.

(2) EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR- The term `Executive Director' means the Executive Director of the Weather Mitigation Advisory and Research Board.

(3) RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- The term `research and development' means theoretical analysis, exploration, experimentation, and the extension of investigative findings and theories of scientific or technical nature into practical application for experimental and demonstration purposes, including the experimental production and testing of models, devices, equipment, materials, and processes.

(4) WEATHER MITIGATION- The term `weather mitigation' means changing or controlling, or attempting to change or control, by artificial methods the natural development of atmospheric cloud forms or precipitation forms which occur in the troposphere. Examples include rain enhancement, snowpack augmentation, and hail suppression.


SEC. 4. WEATHER MITIGATION ADVISORY AND RESEARCH BOARD ESTABLISHED.

(a) In General- There is established in the Department of Commerce the Weather Mitigation Advisory and Research Board.

(cool.gif Membership-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Board shall consist of 11 members appointed by the Secretary of Commerce, of whom--

(A) at least 1 shall be a representative of the American Meteorological Society;

(cool.gif at least 1 shall be a representative of the American Society of Civil Engineers;

© at least 1 shall be a representative of the National Academy of Sciences;

(D) at least 1 shall be a representative of the National Center for Atmospheric Research of the National Science Foundation;

(E) at least 2 shall be representatives of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration of the Department of Commerce;

(F) at least 1 shall be a representative of institutions of higher education or research institutes; and

(G) at least 1 shall be a representative of a State that is currently supporting operational weather mitigation projects.

(2) TENURE- A member of the Board serves at the pleasure of the Secretary of Commerce.

(3) VACANCIES- Any vacancy on the Board shall be filled in the same manner as the original appointment.

(cool.gif Advisory Committees- The Board may establish advisory committees to advise the Board and to make recommendations to the Board concerning legislation, policies, administration, research, and other matters.

© Initial Meeting- Not later than 30 days after the date on which all members of the Board have been appointed, the Board shall hold its first meeting.

(d) Meetings- The Board shall meet at the call of the Chair.

(e) Quorum- A majority of the members of the Board shall constitute a quorum, but a lesser number of members may hold hearings.

(f) Chair and Vice Chair- The Board shall select a Chair and Vice Chair from among its members.


SEC. 5. DUTIES OF THE BOARD.

(a) Promotion of Research and Development- In order to assist in expanding the theoretical and practical knowledge of weather mitigation, the Board shall promote and fund research and development, studies, and investigations with respect to--

(1) improved forecast and decisionmaking technologies for weather mitigation operations, including tailored computer workstations and software and new observation systems with remote sensors; and

(2) assessments and evaluations of the efficacy of weather mitigation, both purposeful (including cloud-seeding operations) and inadvertent (including downwind effects and anthropogenic effects).

(cool.gif Financial Assistance- Unless the use of the money is restricted or subject to any limitations provided by law, the Board shall use amounts in the Weather Mitigation Research and Development Fund--

(1) to pay its expenses in the administration of this Act; and

(2) to provide for research and development with respect to weather mitigation by grants to, or contracts or cooperative arrangements with, public or private agencies.

© Report- The Board shall submit to the Secretary of Commerce biennially a report on its findings and research results.


SEC. 6. POWERS OF THE BOARD.

(a) Studies, Investigations, and Hearings- The Board may make any studies or investigations, obtain any information, and hold any hearings necessary or proper to administer or enforce this Act or any rules or orders issued under this Act.

(cool.gif Personnel- The Board may employ, as provided for in appropriations Acts, an Executive Director and other support staff necessary to perform duties and functions under this Act.

© Cooperation With Other Agencies- The Board may cooperate with public or private agencies to promote the purposes of this Act.

(d) Cooperative Agreements- The Board may enter into cooperative agreements with the head of any department or agency of the United States, an appropriate official of any State or political subdivision of a State, or an appropriate official of any private or public agency or organization for conducting weather mitigation activities or cloud-seeding operations.

(e) Conduct and Contracts for Research and Development- The Executive Director, with the approval of the Board, may conduct and may contract for research and development activities relating to the purpose described in section 2.


SEC. 7. COOPERATION WITH THE WEATHER MITIGATION OPERATIONS AND RESEARCH BOARD.

The heads of the departments and agencies of the United States and the heads of any other public or private agencies and institutions that receive research funds from the United States shall, to the extent possible, give full support and cooperation to the Board and to initiate independent research and development programs that address weather mitigations.


SEC. 8. FUNDING.

(a) In General- There is established within the Treasury of the United States the Weather Mitigation Research and Development Fund, which shall consist of amounts appropriated pursuant to subsection (cool.gif or received by the Board under subsection ©.

(cool.gif Authorization of Appropriations- There are authorized to be appropriated to the Board for the purposes of carrying out this Act $10,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2006 through 2015. Any sums appropriated under this subsection shall remain available, without fiscal year limitation, until expended.

© Gifts- The Board may accept, use, and dispose of gifts or donations of services or property.

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For those of you who are comfortable believing the government and catapulting their propaganda, what do you think Cohen was talking about in the quote below?

"Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important."
-- Secretary of Defense William Cohen, 1997, Counterterrorism Conference

Also, Seeker, how do you know that there are no classified documents related to HAARP?

I believe that was a quote directly from the HAARP site, not Seeker's words.

I'm referring to this statement from Seeker in post #9:
You know, the place is not like Area 51. Nothing they do there is classified.


For those who want more information on this subject:
http://www.haarp.net

If even 1/10th of this info is true, it is very alarming.

OK. Let's be clear on something. Read the bill. Weather "mitigation" means the Air Force wants funding to do research on potentially alleviating storm conditions, which make it more difficult to overfly areas and, well, drop bombs. Nothing in the bill says they are capable of doing it. It does mean they want funding for research to find out if they can do it.

It's a fairly modest goal. They want to see if there might be any means of lessening thunderstorm conditions. I don't think this means they have the power to generate tornadoes or earthquakes, or turn the direction of hurricanes. Although there is some discussion in the bill also of strengthening storms as a way of lessening an enemy's ability to respond via their own airpower, the Air Force is not claiming it wants to be able to use weather as an offensive weapon (like unleashing Godzilla on Tokyo), nor that it has that capability.

"Rain enhancement, hail suppression, and snowpack augmentation" doesn't mean they can target enemy cities with lightning bolts or direct hurricanes.

Radar can tell you where something is going, but it doesn't control it.

Ummmm.... it's not a classified project?

Try this experiment. Do a FOIA request on ANYTHING having to do with the project.

See if anything you get back is censored.

P.S. I know somebody who's done this, and the answer is no.

Then ask them for Memorandum 195. If you don't know what that is, then you didn't watch the videos...did you?

I can't figure out this neo-liberal shut down...it just baffles me. It's like a brain-block, or neural overload and the discussion becomes limited by unbreachable denial.

Why should I? I know New Age bullshit when I see it.

Is it hard for you to accept that other people don't believe things you believe?

I'm not a libertarian, so I do not assume that "the government is doing nasty thing X" is automatically true without evidence.

Do an FOIA on any number of things owned by Raytheon and see how complete an answer you get. H.A.A.R.P. is not a military installation nor is it operated by the military. They are a defense contractor, thus they do not need to be classified, they simply have to be shrouded by many of the numerous laws and executive orders used to protect military contractors from disclosing proprietary information in order to keep the nature of any of their efforts discrete.

They publish their research in academic journals, F.

BTW, did you know there is a nearby facility in Fairbanks, Alaska, named HIPAS, operated by UCLA and U-Alaska, that does the same kind of research?

If you're an undergraduate at an Alaskan university, you can go out there and get research experience.

http://www.physics.ucla.edu/plasmalab/current.html
http://www.physics.ucla.edu/plasmalab/REUIndex.html

Want to know what they're doing out there? Find a sophomore at an Alaskan college.

Incidentally, a third facility also exists at Arecibo. Same place where Jodie Foster first started working on SETI in Contact.

There is a buzz on the internet about HAARP after the strange coloured clouds appeared in China before the earthquake. People do want to know about HAARP, and they don't want to read propaganda minimizing the true extent of the program.

Here is a long thread started by Lophofo without any tinfoil which clearly explains how big the program is. And HAARP is not the only station that is used to mess with the ionisphere.

HAARP, Atmospheric Research - The Big Players Involved

The disinfo debunkers {not saying anyone here} are spinning this as crazy blogosphere paranoia. They want folks to think this is about research, that it is mainly to do with improving communications and enabling submarines to go deeper into the ocean. They don't want people to think about its applications with weather modification.

They want people to think weather mod is simple cloud seeding. They don't want people to realise that climate change is now on the record as being an issue of national security.

I am not sure how much HAARP has to do with the chemtrails. As Lophofo explained, it could very well be a major part of it. Basically, HAARP is not about researching the ionisphere, it is about manipulating it. It is about being able to push weather from one section of the atmosphere to another.

One comment to Seeker1. He mentioned how Kucinich has been adversely influenced by "new age" folks. If he is referring to how chemtrails did get included into a bill draft, I am confused why he didn't tell the whole story.

There was this spook named Carol Rosin with ties to the disinformation group The Disclosure Project. Basically, she hijacked the peace in space movement and somehow became an author of the preservation of peace in space bill draft which included the word chemtrails.

Can people see what I see? We are being bamboozled with crazy scripts including closed-minded debunkers and crazy believers. Such people {again, I am not pointing fingers here} have been plants. The goal has been to turn things into enigmas. The goal has been to force good hearted people into relying on crap sources.

A crazy script was put in place just before the turn of the century. The ptb's knew that folks would notice that the skies were getting whited-out by specific aviation emissions. So they provided us with a vent. Then year after year, the convolution increased.

We are talking tinfoil by association 101.

Oh yeah, one more comment for Seeker1. If I am mistaken, I will admit it. But it seems that you are saying you have a good knowledge base for this topic. You even helped out on my thread in the Green Forum as pertaining to the "weather mitigation" bills. You mentioned earlier in this thread how there is no way hurricanes and whatnot are being worked on, that it would be pointless.

Have you ever heard of Gel-tech Solutions, previously known as Dyn-O-Mat?



It is a shame that this thread is in the conspiracy section. I advise people to try to get such topics into the Green section or elsewhere. We have to find ways to get the truth out to the masses without this tinfoil by association giving newbies and fence-sitters the opportunity to brush it off as just more indications of a nutty internet.

Socrates, I agree with you that this post is misplaced. This is not a conspiracy theory. HAARP exists. "Weather mitigation" is a real issue. As far as I am concerned, once Bill Cohen spoke out on this subject, giving us a warning, all notions that this is merely a "tin-foil" subject should have disappeared. Cohen is no new-ager. He is a moderate Republican who served as Secretary of the Defense. He has not been proven to be a world-class liar like Rumsfeld, so in the absence of any evidence that he is untrustworthy, I believe his warning should be taken seriously. Also, let's remember that the PNAC people vowed to dominate in all realms. Do you really think they would give "weather warfare" a pass?

Seeker, I am still waiting to hear what you think Cohen was talking about. Also, your suggestion that since academics and universities are involved, that automatically dignifies this, is dubious. Because the U.S. government gives out huge grants to universities, their impartiality is questionable.

And yes, it is true that we seem to be bombarded with defensive denials by intransigently skeptical debunkers. One would expect more open-minded discussions to flourish on a liberal message board. Again, it seems to me that the more they do protest, the more I believe we are zeroing in on governmental secrets the powers-that-be are determined to hide.

Question. What's the best place to hide something?

IN PLAIN SIGHT.

So they have a website. BFD. So does DARPA. So does the NSA. Does that mean they're telling you everything they're doing too?

To understand the adverse potential for this, you need to understand not only the potenial military applications, but the science behind it, which dates back to Tesla.

You also need to understand things like the funding and the goals of the research as it's been directed in this area.

SecDef Cohen is quoted in 1997 as worrying that a terrorist organization might use this techology to cause extreme weather. So if we're worried that they can do that, we definitely can do the same thing.

And this EMF/ELF crap isn't JUST about "manipulating weather".

Humans bodies generate a magnetic field. Every cell in our body contains magnetite.

Signals in the same frequency range can effect human moods. The mind operates on extremely low-frequency signals. When humans are actively thinking its 14 cycles per second, if meditating 8 cycles per second, when asleep the mind is generating 4 cycles per second. By manipulating these cycles, you can effect mood.

At lower levels of amplification, EMF, microwave, low-frequency sounds waves can cause extreme forms of physical discomfort and debilitation, but the same devices can kill people when appropriately amplified.

These these same weapons were identified as "non-conventional" in an exhibit at a Department of the Army-sponsored symposium on "The Soldier As A System," held in Crystal City, VA, on June 30, 1992. Beta wave incapacitators were separately mentioned during the symposium as being of particular interest to the U.S. Marine Corps.

Some reading I'd recommend?

• "Physical Control of the Mind: Toward a Psychocivilized Society" by Jose M. R. Delgado

• A June 1986 gov't report written at the Center for Aerospace Doctrine, Research, & Education at Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama entitled "Low-Intensity Conflict and Modern Technology" by Lt. Col David J. Dean USAF (and a LOVELY foreward by none other than Congressman Newt Gingrich) available from Air University Press.

• The U.S. Global Strategy Council -- a Washington-based organization, under the chairmanship of Ray Cline, former Deputy Director of the CIA, published a white paper entitled "Nonlethality: Development of a National Policy and Employing Nonlethal Means in a New Strategic Era" outlining the foreign and domestic uses foreseen for laser weapons, isotropic radiators, infrasound, non-nuclear electromagnetic pulse generators, and high-powered microwave emitters.

Adam Trombly, Physicist for the Institute for Advanced Studies stated, "Using EMF/ELF you can cause cause disease, hysteria, or passivity, for population control."

Mrs. Jenelle Tuttle, former Administrator to the Attorney General, and Dr. Gael Flanagan have stated, "Symptoms to these frequencies include anxiety, depression, extreme fatigue, dizzyiness, nausea, shortness of breath, prickling feeling in the skin, body tremor, blood pressure increase, cancers, disruption of genetic structure long term and short term."

Research into biological and psychological effects of exposure to microwave radiation is voluminous. CIA and DOD have jointly pursued precisely the same research since commencement of Project Pandora in the 1950's. The current primary users of this research appear to be the CIA, DOD, NSA, and Cheney's pets at the DOE.

The Walter Reed Army Institute of Research (WRAIR) has participated in this research since Project Pandora. In 1973, WRAIR discovered that externally-induced auditory input could be achieved by means of pulsed microwave audiograms, or analogs of spoken words' sounds. The effect on the receiving end is the (schizophrenic) sensation of "hearing voices" which are no part of the recipients' own thought processes.

The experiment prompted the following comment in "The Body Electric: Electromagnetism and the Foundation of Life," by Dr. Robert Becker and Gary Selden (Wm. Morrow & Company, NY, 1985): "Such a device has obvious applications in covert operations designed to drive a target crazy with 'voices' or deliver undetected instructions to a programmed assassin."

This research has continued, and the results are published in various publicly available scientific and technical journals. You might want to consult, for example, James C. "Lin's, Electromagnetic Interaction With Biological Systems" (Plenum Press, NY, 1989). Professor Lin, then with the Department of Bioengineering, University of Illinois, Chicago, has published a number of books and articles on this subject.

WRAIR has more recently been studying the biological effects of exposure to high power microwave radiation. WRAIR presented a paper on this subject to a DOD-sponsored symposium on "MW [microwave] Weapons" at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, CA, in mid-1989 and has continued with the research ever since. More public applications have been things like the so-called "Sheriff Vehicles" currently deployed in Iraq -- our guinea pig testing ground for all the things they hope to use on US in the future....

Considering everything else they've done, what makes anyone think they wouldn't play around with low-frequency vibrations to produce psychological changes among the civil population? Desired changes like authoritarian loyalty, aggression, passivity, or submission when necessary, etc.?

Considering that the gov't released toxins into the air of over 30 cities throughout the U.S. to research biological contamination spread, what makes anyone think they wouldn't play around with other dispersal methods like the one I described earlier?

Indeed, considering the entire last 8 years alone, what makes anyone think they wouldn't play around with WHATEVER nutjob weapon might be at their disposal?

Have you seen ANY indication that these people have moral or ethical limits to their behavior?????

Gee, I don't know. Why should you look at a video? Simple curiosity?

I mean, your "answer" there is such a cop out, man! How can you "know" anything about something you haven't even looked at?

If the Canadian news report is "too much" for you, how about looking at this instead?

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/haarp/an..._dontplay14.htm

The astroturfers are running with the meme that we are paranoid conspiracy nutters. It's not my place to turn this into a chemtrail thread or to get into debating about HAARP as weather warfare. I am interested in its applications to manipulate the atmosphere. The paid trolls are running with HAARP being associated with mind control. They don't want folks to understand its connection to weather manipulation for whatever reasons {uv-b protection/ozone hole, climate change} or with possible research into environmental modification techniques. This government or parts of it have shown a fascist disdain for following the rule of law. There may be environmental modification technique treaties in place, but when did internernational law ever stop these cretins from starting illegal wars, wiretapping, torture, DOJ, WHIG, et al. The ptb's can't be trusted. They make money off of death. That's sick and needs to stop.

We need to disband the CIA, the NSA, the FBI and replace them with good people. and great ideas.

We need to create an economy which doesn't rely on death, destruction, mayhem, waaste, greed and deception.

In short, the disinformation is that HAARP is limited, benign research and is for submarines and other communication things. Other than that, the disinfo wants people to focus on the kookiness factor. It's all fairly clear at this point.

The Europeans operate an ionospheric heater also.

It's at an installation called EISCAT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EISCAT
http://www.eiscat.se:8080/heating/

They also have a long-range radio transmitter array there for beaming stuff into intergalactic space.

They're going to transmit a Doritos ad to the constellation Ursa Major, on June 12th.

http://e7.eiscat.se/Members/tony/MyNews/20080307_1stAD

Hope they don't prefer Cheetos, instead.

There's another one operated by Russia in Vasilsursk, Russia, known as SURA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sura_Ionosphe...eating_Facility

BTW, there's another ionospheric heater at Platteville.

Here's their web site.
http://grison.colorado.edu/pao-lower/Histo...troduction.html

They have a nice guide on ionospheric modification theory.

The ptb's are tring their best to keep HAARP from being exposed as the disgusting, frankensteinian bullshit that it is.

When the Army Owns the Weather
By Bob Fitrakis, Columbus Alive. Posted February 5, 2002.
reposted by Alternet

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http://www.eastlundscience.com/HAARP.html

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I am ready to wave the white flag. Thanks for the links.

Sorry...you wrong. Before you can make 'limited assumptions', you need to research the technology. And going to the HAARP website isn't going to inform you, in full. You will be told what they want you to know...and nothing more.

Apparently you don't. Is that just your neat little package tied with a bow? When you don't understand something, it's all JuJu, MoJo, New Age bullshit?

I'll wager you fight those people who want to reopen an investigation on 9/11, too. What's your buzzword for them? Conspiracist bullshit?

Come on...haven't you noticed 'mass docility'? How bout how dumbed down the population has become? Or how sick the population has become...sometimes race or age specific. How about statistics on cancers? autoimmune diseases? Or heavy metals being off the charts in drinking water and soil tests?

What's your answer for it? New Age bullshit?

I've presented articles, videos/audio lectures and websites of research. On those websites are hard data, patents, government research on mind control through ELF, EMF, microwave and scalar technologies.

Putting your head in the sand and mumbling, "New Age bullshit", is just classic denial<- so I'll assume your positions are probably just as simplified in a number of serious problems we are facing today.

It really doesn't surprise me how the Democrats have allowed Blue Dogs to take over the Party. If you're support Obama, he's going to need people behind him you will fight the incredible media manipulation and suppression by directing people to find the REAL INFO on the internet.

SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY is OWNED by CORPORATIONS. BAE owns HAARP. Read up on their background in CORPWATCH. Eastlund hasn't been invloved with HAARP since it was sold to RAYTHEON, back in the early 90's. The corporations are essentially owned, at top level, by the same gangsters. They move ownership around to avoid investigation. Each time they change hands, they can pick and choose what will be omitted. Also, remember, by law, these corporations are not allowed to experiment on US Citizens. It's still done. When corporations work in partnership with the military, the aspects of the research which are illegal are simply deemed 'classified research'. This is why the Military industrial complex is so nefarious. They have a legal means to keep you in the dark. It's call the National Security Act of 1947.

Only when it's served up with healthy doses of pseudoscience. There's a lot of scientific phenomena that are poorly understood. I just don't like the obfuscation of ones that are well understood. The research that HAARP is doing on the ionosphere is being done by several other installations, including one in Europe. Why are you not warning us about HIPAS and EISCAT?



I'm in favor of another investigation - I do believe the 9/11 commission report and the report are flawed. The latest book I've read that's convinced me of that was Philip Shenon's.

It doesn't mean I've already decided MIHOP is true, though. Which is what most people mean when they say "truther". That they must believe this, and must be seeking evidence for it, and must ignore flaws in evidence that is claimed for it.



Yes.... usually a claim coming from people who define it as being others lacking the enthusiasm for what they believe to be true, or politically necessary.



Tell me about it. Most of them seem to be fairly ignorant of the laws of physics, and how weather is generated in the troposphere, not the ionosphere.



Don't forget this.



If governments can control minds directly, why waste time spending money on propaganda?

Fakes are all over the internet pushing a scripted battle between crazy believers and closed-minded debunkers. Such astroturfers wish to raise noise to signal ratios while creating enigmas. Their main goal is to stifle freedom of association.

HAARP Disinformation Escalates

Yes, I am paid to post.

Check arrives biweekly.

From the College de Pataphysique.

Seeker wrote: It doesn't mean I've already decided MIHOP is true, though. Which is what most people mean when they say "truther". That they must believe this, and must be seeking evidence for it, and must ignore flaws in evidence that is claimed for it.

This is a classic mischaracterization of what people in the 9/11 Truth Movement think. We all think for ourselves. Your attempt to assess what we think is simplistic and condescending. Again......

Are you telling us that you believe that HAARP caused the earthquake in China? Can you explain the physics of that?

So, why, Eyes, when I point out evidence that suggests that MIHOP, or at least several versions of the MIHOP theory (there's more than one), are lacking in evidence, I am called a "debunker"?

I've asked you this question over and over again? Can I still be part of the "truth movement" and suggest that what some people in the "truth movement" believe is wrong? Seems to me if the movement is after "truth" it should stop treating the people who question its assertions and conclusions as the enemy.

Watch the videos...why should we have to type it all out for you again and again?

Socrates..it's YOU that's being psyop'ed.

Hey, are you the Seeker who used to post a lot at Chemtrail Central in the early days, or is that a coincidence?

I've never posted at anywhere called "Chemtrail Central," no.

Are you the Socrates who was in Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure?

[Bill and Ted are in Ancient Greece]
Bill: [approaching Socrates] How's it going? I'm Bill, this is Ted. We're from the future.
Socrates: Socrates.
Ted: [whispering to Bill] Now what?
Bill: I dunno. Philosophize with him!
Ted: [clears his throat, to Socrates] "All we are is dust in the wind," dude.
[Socrates gives them a blank stare]
Bill: [scoops up a pile of dust from the basin before them and lets it run out of his hand] Dust.
[he blows the remainder away]
Bill: Wind.
Ted: [points at Socrates] Dude.
[Socrates gasps]
Socrates: [In Greek] Like sands of the hourglass, so are the days of our lives.

Hi, thanks for the response. I am not sure if the earthquake was influenced by the ionispheric heaters, but there is reason to believe that the cloud colours indicate the presence of barium and other chemicals. The Eastland patents for HAARP mention the use of barium. If you read the haarp thread at my humble forum, you can read the posts by Lophofo. He is more science-oriented than myself.The debunkers refer to those as earthquake lights.

HAARP causing earthquakes is quite possible. Things are kind of complex. My interest is in getting the chemtrails exposed and stopped. I believe that there are some military applications, environmental modification techniques, etc.. There is the capacity to cause lightning.

I think the weather warfare angle is overblown. Chemtrails are mostly for blocking out uv-b rays and also for knocking down hurricanes, severe weather. The crazy side gobbles up every bit of disinformation like mind control, depopulation, even aliens, and then they spam their rubbish far and wide. This is called tinfoil by association or muddying the waters.

I can't say for sure the earthquakes were caused by HAARP or another station like that. I think, however, that it is possible, but if so, that it wasn't deliberate.There is something called mutually assured destruction. Like with the chemtrails, I do think they are bad for us and that is why they are being done under the table or shielded by national security bullshit. The kooky script went into overdrive, because it's so obvious that chemtrails are deliberate.

Usually the ones crying weather wars are the same ones denying that there is man-made climate change.

There is info and links at my forum. This is something that people have to do their homework on. Just beware of the crazy believers and the closed-minded debunkers.