Not so.

Most people here are adults when it comes to the matter. The real Obama pitchforks are at Huffington Post.

Plus, their message board/comments system is crap.

But they pale in comparison to the Hillary hangers-on.

I also agree, but he's our only hope that we can work at making it better. We know with McCain it won't get better it will just get worse.

I voted for Kucinich. Ok, I live in Michigan, I didn't really have a lot of choice but he was the one I wanted anyway. But unfortunately our country is not ready for Dennis. We need to educate the populace so they are and we can't do that while the Supreme Court is being packed with neocons.

Rott the visual I get of a McCain Supreme Court makes me stain my pants! It is the most frightening prospect of his presidency. War without end is the other.

I can't imagine any logically thinking Democrat threatening to vote for him. I just don't get it. OK So your candidate you loved lost. Get past it, throw away the rear view mirror and start looking at the bigger picture.

If anyone thinks that the GLBT community was going to be destroyed under Obama - just think what will happen under McCain. I shudder to think.

Double BINGO!

I too was all about Kucinich then Edwards. Many people here have me confused with someone who believes everything Barack Obama says as gospel but that's not the case. I have known since around March that Obama would be the nominee and I was able to fall in line early. I have come across as intolerant in regard to those who do not fall in line and I realize that but the bottom line is that we can ill afford to lose in November and that is part of what makes me so very serious on the subject.

SCOTUS is important, but so is the bully pulpit. For 8 years, we've heard nothing but fear, fear, hate, us-them, bigotry and other forms of divisiveness. And 8 years of it has inured us a bit to bigotry. Now when the bigots come out, we don't even chase them back behind the baseboards anymore, like we did a few years ago. Bigotry has become politically CORRECT. I welcome 8 years of a President for whom bigotry is politically INCORRECT once again.

I actually like some of what Obama stands for, but he's not a progressive. Hell, he's not really liberal. He is what the Democratic Party has become, a solid old fashion Republican. Everyone has shifted over to the right between the 70s and now. It definitely hasn't helped the people at all but for some reason they can't or refuse to see it.

I blame television and/or the lack of being taught to think and reason. Even I have problems reading because I'm so easily distracted by stupid television shows.

I blame laziness and materialism. Laziness prohibits the drive for learning, while materialism distracts from the learning sources.

Whoa.

Barack Obama is not a liberal Democrat?

Goodness. Goodness. Goodness.

Why would you say that?

Some of his views are quite liberal but overall I'd put him in the middle of the road, just like Hillary Clinton. The only true liberal candidate this year was Dennis Kucinich and to a slightly lesser extent John Edwards. Oh yeah, I guess Ralph Nader is running but I just can't vote third party in a presidential election.

OK.

Can we let Obama maybe first get into office and get the government, ie, the executive branch, functionally running first? How about letting him have some time to put the judiciary back together? Restaff the the EPA, Food & Drug, FEMA (hello!!) and all the rest of the departments with professionals and get rid of the Bush appointed cronies. Then there's the economy. And ending the occupation of Iraq. And solving health care. And funding education. And getting jobs back here and a 21st Century economy happening??

If you think Obama or any candidate, even Kucinich, which is MY first pick, is going to be able to push a wish list, progressive agenda through, with the state our government is currently in, then you haven't been listening very closely to Randi. It will take sometime for Obama to piece this back together. And then, we still don't have the votes in the Congress and Senate.

Basically, the first two years of his administration will be very similar to Roosevelt's in that Obama will have to completely overhaul and put the government back together. And he will have the huge obstruction of a very resentful Republican party. Then, he'll need 2010 to elect democrats into more seats in the House and Senate. Big picture peeps. Big picture.

Good post. The things he can do alone, he'll do ... like changing the funding policy of the DNC, or reversing Bush's executive orders. But the ones that take a change of ideology in agencies will have to come with re-staffing. It's a huge job. I am in some awe of his attempting it. But he's a better man than I am, and I think he has a shot.

Don't forget Mike Gravel.

He's not. He's a moderate at best but from what I've seen, the entire Democratic Party, except for the general membership, has become what used to be conservative when I was a kid.

I'm not saying that is all bad, there was a time when conservatives weren't "foaming-at-the-mouth" nutcases. That's a recent development.

In many areas I would have been considered conservative back in the 70s. Now I'm a flaming liberal.

Yes. Correct.

I love Dennis Kucinich.

Barack Obama has the full force of the GOP upon him (and us for that matter).

He has engaged us and has proven to a measurable degree that he listens to us as well. This leads me to believe that once in office he will move forward a liberal agenda given we as Democrats can help our candidates win House and Senate seats. If we do so, and even insomuch replace Reid and Pelosi in their respective roles, progress regarding a liberal Democratic agenda will occur.

Mike Gravel is a Libertarian, not a liberal. If you heard the hour he was on Mike Malloy you'd think he was insane.

There's a great quote!

I would have agreed before I read Al Gore's book, but I seriously believe now that television has changed how we think and reason. We can't focus long enough to read a book (by we I mean the general population, this board is an exception), our brains have been rewired so we can't reason and think as we should.

Plus, its not taught in elementary and high school. I was shocked when I went back to school years ago and realized that everything I believed in was a bunch of BS. I was an ultra-conservative Christian in my youth. I went to college and learned to think and reason, because you had to in order to write term papers, and I learned that life was not what I thought it was. It changed my entire viewpoint.

So some of it might be complacency, but I honestly think between the school system and television the general population just doesn't have what is needed to understand how badly they are being taken advantage of.

With the economy getting worse, you'll see even more people with this problem because they'll be too tired to care. It takes everything they have just to make ends meet and stay out of the streets. I already know people in this situation.

I do want to add, I think Obama would be very liberal if society were different. I think he's a good man and trainable if we keep an eye on him.

rottmom, thanks for being kind and not biting my head off!

I have campaigned for many ®'s and it is obvious to me now that we have to restore, rebuild, reinvest, recreate, you name it, our country or see it fall apart. With mind and heart, Barack Obama is our best hope.

Amen! I agree with you completely.

You are not wrong. He is a douche. I've reported him twice already, which makes three times in four years I've been compelled to hit the Report button on the RRMB.

Thank god the baby queers in S.F. aren't this trifling and tedious.

I thought so too, and I'm straight. I was both astounded and disgusted when they broke out with that "Don't Ask Don't Tell" bs. Clinton basically told folks, "You're welcome to step on out of that closet, but don't expect us to have your back when you do".

Certain someones who believe world events have only occurred in his lifetime need to do a little homework on American History in the late 1900s before attempting to debate such with grownups.

thanks rottmom. we have an election to win!

So, just curious. Being from both Iowa and Colorado, does that involve dual citizenship?

The mods think otherwise. I bring meaningful insights to this forum. I represent the new, and vibrant generation of GLBT, and last but not least; I just don't shut up and sing Obama's rap song, I ask questions, and demand answers.

Don't ask don't tell is not the right procedure, and it's absolutely NOT what GLBT deserve but at the time it was a necessity. By enforcing DADT the US Military would not have any room to discriminate against us. It was a clear message from the wonderful Clinton administration saying :don’t force your beliefs on me, and I won’t force my beliefs on you.

This is another example on how Obama used the Black Community natural homophobic feelings to gain support among black voters, when back in Nov 2007 he was behind HRC with that particular demographic.
Oh, and by the way, this is not coming from MSM or right wing blogs. It was published on the HuffintonPost.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-h...an_b_69244.html

I was waiting for you to trot out this old canard.

Black homophobes are no worse than any other people's homophobes, and maybe you didn't know it but there just happen to be Black gays in the "Black community".

Go address the homophobia in your own community before passing judgment on what's "natural" for others.

Well no, you represent the same old anti-Black sentiment that's been the social norm in this country -- and the default setting for a lot of white gays -- since before it was a country.

Interesting, that you think you are protected by the moderators.

What "rap song" has Obama sung?

Please do let us know -- I sure hope he's not a closet gangsta under all those Ivy Leaguer suits.

Excuse me but that's not what I've been saying. I don't think anyone here should be calling you names, but I think your posts have been confrontational and without value beyond trying to provoke people. They lack substance and validity. Most of what you've said has been readily disproved many times over and yet, you continue to say them.

So when you say "the mods", make sure you state that SOME mods, not ALL mods think that.

And so why was it the thing to do at the time politically then, but NOW Obama MUST dance the dance that YOU call or be a threat to the entire gay community? Why is it ok for Bill Clinton to do what was politically necessary, but not ok for Obama to do the very same thing?

What is good for one politician is good for another is it not? Or is the bar raised because Obama was not your candidate? Or is it a black thing? What is it Jess? Why is it ok for the Clintons to be politicians but not Obama? Why the double standard?

Ok, so now homophobia is in the black DNA? That is so unscientific in so many different ways that I can't even begin to negate it. And the last time I checked, the Huffington Post was not a scientific journal. I want you to give me documentation from a scientific journal when you are going to state that something is genetic to any specific group of people.

To answer you question in a way you can understand:

2 different times and circumstances. During the Clinton years the GLBT gained a lot of support, and due to that administrations it's why we are having 2 states in which gay marriage is legal, as much as many of you try to demonize the Clintons here on the regular basis. It's our job and responsabillity to push and push harder, and if Obama can't deliver, he aint worth it.

As for linking me to racism...pleazzz. You are rottmom, not rotmomjonze, leave those accusations for the right person to make them

I haven't accused you or anyone else of "racism"?

Why brand you with that coveted badge of honor?

You could say that

Been flying back and forth every week for 5 years now! Just 1 more to go

I'm serious Jess. You've made several remarks that could be construed as racist. You've repeated right wing talking points like they were facts, many of those were racist.

As for your excuse for the Clintons, the only difference between their time and now is we were more tolerant as a nation back then than we are now. We have been set back 20 years in civil rights in the 8 years George Bush has been sitting in his stolen throne.

Are you really gay? You don't realize this? The gay community, of every minority, has been hit the hardest in these 8 years from where I'm standing. Never before have we had state constitutions with amendments stating gays can't marry. Even in Michigan, were we are relatively liberal (although not as much as people assume but that could be the locale I reside in) we have a group that has gone out of its way to ensure gays do not get any equal rights under the law.

How can you possibly say that their times were worthy of a "don't ask don't tell" rule and now Obama should wear a rainbow arm band? You are obviously very unaware of what is happening around you son.

If you represent the gay youth, then in some sick way I hope you get your wish and be sent back 40+ years and when you are in your 60s you might have a hope of having something credited to your movement but in the meantime you'll have NOTHING. I've lived 35 years without certain privileges that you were born with or raised gaining without doing a single thing and I'd be willing to suffer the rest of my life just to let you make this huge mistake because I've done without these rights in the past.

Maybe it is time you do something and if it means that McCain wins in November so that the movements of the community elders gets erased, we'll blame it on you. We'll continue to fight hard for nothing but then you can pick up the cause in another 20 years so that you can have the same rights you have now by the time you're about to sign up for social security...oh wait, there won't be social security, you'll just be a bitter old queen with no rights at all and you (we) will have lost so much more.


I have linked you to racism but I'm not black and nothing was done with you. Others have pointed out how you have posted with the sole intent to sow upset and discord and nothing has been done with you.

You're right in your first post, it appears certain moderators or admins seem to love you for some reason and I find it sickening. We all know that some of the staff are not exactly progressive and at least one has vowed to burn the party because Hillary did not win the nomination. It appears you get a lot of slack because of your adoration of Hillary Clinton and your intent to destroy Barack Obama. With this post I have decided to burn the bridges, I have decided that this could very well be my final post here because I'm disheartened by the way things are run and I feel that unfortunately the actions of some staff members do not reflect the overall spirit of the site or it's owner and Goddess.

I (along with many others) have debunked your claims and have done everything we can in a civil and not-so-civil manner in this topic but your unfounded attacks and rambling bullshit go ignored forcing people like myself to continually have to work extra hard to research subjects just to drown out your vicious attacks and it's unfair to myself and every other member of the RRMB community and GLBT community that you're allowed to continue such vile homophobia. That's right, you are a homophobic jerk and I believe we've proven this over the past couple of weeks because you are intent on destroying every advancement made in the past 40+ years. You're quite clever, disguising yourself as a typical cheap butt boy.

I know fully well that what I just said is a personal attack and I'm well prepared to be banned for such an attack because of the staff's tolerance of you and my own convictions of who I am, what I'm proud of and what I'm willing to do to ensure that your hatred is not spread throughout the gay and lesbian community.

BTW, thank you for your baiting PM that you sent me yesterday:

I have seen, first hand, the military's discrimination against gay people. My brother-in-law, former Navy and gay, went into the VA hospital in Miami in 1985 for an emergency appendectomy. They left him lying in that bed and never bathed him. I went down there every day after I learned this and bathed him myself. We couldn't figure out why he was being ignored.

We found out in 1991. The VA tested all patients for HIV as a rule to protect their personnel. They did not, however, feel it was necessary to tell the patient. By early 1991 when we found out and got him on the AZT concoction, it was too late. He was dead by June 1991 of full blown AIDS. I firmly believe if the bastards told us years earlier he'd still be alive today.

I miss John God-awful. He was one of the best people I ever knew. He's dead because the military doesn't give a shit about gay people. I am still very angry about this, as you can imagine.

The moderation of the board is not a topic for discussion here.