A liberal board that has alot of posters supporting the Democratic nominee for Prez who would've thunk it



Spot on reply about your nephew

best wishes

Okay dude, keep thinking everybody is behind Obama and his babymama LOL. Enjoy the Koollie!!!!

Pathetic.

Simply pathetic.

uh huh... whatever...

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Maybe?

I am new in the message board, but going through certain threads posted in the past that I have checked, Hillary Clinton has been called every name on the book and I don't doubt for a second that YOU were one of those namecallers. Seems like racism or sexism it's only relevant depending on the target. I assume the Randi Rhodes Message Board Rules apply the same to all members.

I don't understand why there is such a big uproar about Obama's stance on gay marriage. He isn't even president yet.
Hillary Clinton pandered slightly to gays, and then people act as if she put a rainbow flag on her jet.
Her stances are no more pro gay than Obama's.


http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Oba....htm#Gay_Rights


http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Hillary_Cl....htm#Gay_Rights

You have 149 posts (with this current username). You are NOT new to this board.

Please produce one post of mine that refers to Hillary herself in racist or sexist terms.

When you can't, I will gladly thank you to STFU.

She at least acknowledged us!!! He ignores us. She marched with thousands and thousands of gay men and women in 2000 and 2006 at the NY Gay Parade. If Hillary didn't say more about gays it's because she cannot run a "too gay" friendly agenda in order to be elected.

That's so Bill O.

You have changed the whole point of this thread with your personal attacks. Have you noticed that?

Thanks for reposting all my posts referring to Hillary in racist or sexist terms...



And of course, you don't notice, but I am the one debating you on the issues of your racism, you are the personal attacker.


As anyone who can rub two brain cells together can see, I am EXACTLY on the point of this thread.

You can't support Obama, due to your obvious racism...if he isn't the next president, McCain will be.

THAT will do a lot more to "destroy" the GLBT community than an Obama presidency.

Just the facts, ma'am...

You are a bully; a fight picker.
Define racism. when have I been racist? (don't play idiotic with the babymama thing, OK) and by the way...this post is not about race. This is about Obama and his impact, if he becomes president, on the GLBT community.

If you got too much time in your hands. JUMP IN THE LAKE, F urself

lol

you two have to cut it out, or will make me do work i dont wanna do

thanks

appreciate it. My point is being prove. I can go out tonight and wait til they yell last call knowing that I am right!!!

Deal, on my behalf

in theory that sounds nice and fair but now go on vacation outside the usa and i doubt it will be recognized in many countries.

marriage is a legal thing not a religious thing altho it can be both but only legal really counts.

Jess, this is not about you or your feelings, this really is about what is best for the country. Seriously, I'm sorry your candidate lost but in the long run, somebody's candidate always loses. As an adult, its now time for forget about hurt feelings and bitter campaigns and move on to what will be best for us right now, and for those who come after us.

As adults, we don't get to stamp our feet, cross our arms, stick out our lower lip and declare, "I won't!" We are forced to look at reality and say, "Yeah, it pisses me off every which way I can think of but I have to vote for this person because that other one, well they're insane!"

I had to do that in 2004, and yet enough of us didn't and they were able to flip the votes in the middle of the night while we were sleeping and steal the election.

I refused to do it in 2000, I voted for Nader in 2000, and so did too many of us, and they were able to disenfranchise black voters in Florida and the Supreme Court gave the election to Bush because the votes were really close and they could steal the election.

We don't get these luxuries anymore Jess, we have to band together so they can't steal this election. There is too much at stake. This isn't a game, this is real life and if you think Obama would be bad for gays, well just look at what McCain wants to do to gays, women, blacks, and any other minority that he feels doesn't fit into his "old boys club".

You've really got to give up your anger and move ahead. If you keep working at it, maybe you can be the one who fixes this problem. But you won't get that opportunity if McCain gets in. You're already a second class citizen under the Bush family/administration, its only going to get worse under McCain, trust me.

Thank you for your positive words. I appreciate it and thank you for understanding how I feel, instead of calling me " butt boy"," Paris and Perez Hilton" and all the names that goes down that roster (cuz the avatar maybe shows too much). You have understood that I am not ready to make a move, I will NEVER vote GOP, but I put too much effort, dedication, and expected the world from my candidate. It all came to an end, and I was left out...just can't reconciliate with that right now.

If she's so pro gay, then she forgot to mention it in her campaign speeches, except California.
I guess she was too busy with comments about Rev. Wright and Obama.

He is a character, When you talk about real people, that name you mentioned belong in the Florida Everglades.

Then don't.

Nobody cares.

I was degrading Hillary.

I will jump in the lake O, don't push me please, i will jump myself

a deep breath and here we go...NO Obama, Osama, and Obama's babymomma LOL

Out to the clubs b4 midnite LOL

Jessebttmboy,

I am not a fan of Obama at all. I voted for Hillary. The Democratic Party is extremely disappointing. I will probably vote for Obama only because McCain would be worse. (If I do decide to sit this election out, that would actually be okay in the district that I am in. It is overwhelmingly liberal so the Democrat will win.)

You should know by now that it is more acceptable to bash Hillary on this board than it is this political messiah.

I suspect Obama will start distancing himself (if he has not already done so) from the same-sex marriage issue in CA. He really does not believe in same-sex "marriage". He like so many other politicians will only say that civil unions is acceptable and that gays and lesbians should have equal rights. Yeah right. Hopefully, Obama fans will be far more accepting of same-sex marriage than Obama himself and actually vote no on the marriage amendment in California.

You can count on the Republicans to try to tie Obama to this same-sex marriage issue.

No, you misunderstand me. I'm saying we have no choice right now but Obama. Maybe in the future, if you work hard at attaining better, we will have it but right now, a vote for anything or anyone else, or not voting, or writing in a vote, is a vote for McCain because it takes away from Obama.

That means 4 years of more of the same, or quite possibly worse. We can't take 4 more years of the same or worse. At least with Obama, whether he is who you want or not, it can only be better than it is right now and we have a change to work toward even more progressive candidates. But as it stands, if people opt out of voting, or write in a candidate that won't win, or vote for a third party candidate, we risk losing the White House again and our country can't handle it.

This isn't about you Jess, this is about our country. Its time to put away childish things and to do what an adult needs to do, vote for the lesser of the two evils.

I know Obama isn't a liberal, but he's still sane and that's better than you'll get with McCain. We might be the a "free country" but we only get two choices right now for president. We need to swallow our pride and our hurt feelings and make sure a Dem gets in before we lose this nation.

You know what Nazi Germany did to gays? Well hopefully we wouldn't end up there but there aren't guarantees.

Jump or don't.

Doesn't matter.

What a big baby. Grow up and move past it.

Well this topic was started due to Jesse's ranting in other topics so I started this topic so we could address some issues. It appears Jesse has no interest in discussing facts, only in discussing his own affections for Hillary Clinton while turning a blind eye to the majority of the community who choose to support Barack Obama.

Opinions such as jesse's are detrimental to our future in this country, it's the sort of "All or nothing" attitude that I personally can do without. In my opinion, baby steps forward are far better than huge leaps backward.

Thank you for doing your part to destroy the gay community Jessie. Sometimes it is best to keep your opinions to yourself when speaking publicly about issues which affect the majority of the gay community, a community which overall disagrees with you and your intolerant stances.

Al Sharpton was hilarious in one of the 2004 debates, saying to the effect, "Look, as the only person here actually in a position to marry gays, yes I would marry gays."

Alfredo I disagree with your assumption that a majority of the queer community supported Obama. Frankly, I think it was pretty split. Not all of us loved Obama. Some of us will vote for your sweetie because there is no other alternative.

Frankly, if somebody wants to rant about Obama. He is welcome to do that. I know that this government has taken away rights and have gone to lengths to shut people up. I guess people are used to that now. Shut people up whom you strongly disagree with.

Perhaps, a better way would just be to ignore the person or not bother responding and let the thread die, die, die.

Sharpton actually said that?

He should go to California then since the county clerks in Kern and Butte will not perform ceremonies.

You obviously didn't get what I was saying. I completely and totally disagree with your assumption that we're still talking about something that is past history. The nomination process is all but over with, Hillary Clinton is no longer an option.

Now, if you and Jesse want to keep going on about Clinton, feel free to do so, you do not represent me...I obviously disagree with the two of you on how our community needs to vote this November. Grow up and move on or work with your scorched earth bullshit that has poisoned enough people in the Democratic Party but do not attempt to poison the gay and lesbian community because I'll fight you tooth and nail to keep you from fucking me over.

I'm not letting this die die die while he continues to spread hateful bullshit set to destroy the community, fuck that!!

Destroying what? spreading what? Just cuz I disagree with a few of you and I WILL NOT VOTE, I'm hateful.

I represent the Ft Lauderdale and South Beach Gay Community. I don't represent YOU

QUOTE (Jessebttmboy @ Jun 12 2008, 09:45 AM)

Cuz I am not voting for Obama. F me, throw me in the lake, actually drown me. I don't care. I won't vote for him.

I am queer. He will be #1 enemy of the GLBT community. He was was probably raised hating gay boys.

I vote in Florida which is McCane country. B. Hussein Obama can kiss FL's ass goodbye. FL is not a battleground state on this election.

I do really want to get my congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz reelected that's why I asked if I could vote for everyone but Pres/VP.

QUOTE (Jessebttmboy @ Jun 12 2008, 04:03 PM)

For the 15 000 000 TIME. I was committed to my candidate. I was loyal to her. And this Mr Do-Nothing came from outta no where and took it from us. He can't be trusted. He is arrogant and cocky and I hate men like that. In 4 or 8 years from now, as a gay man, you'll see no progress in your life, cuz like most urban boys he was probably raised to hate boys like me, and maybe you...go ahead and give him your vote. I am not arguing nor discussing this subject anymore. That's it for me!!!

QUOTE (Jessebttmboy @ Jun 13 2008, 11:55 AM)

He will be a setback for the gay community, he wants " Separate but Equal rights for all citizen" Since you are so brilliant and have studied Obama campaign playbook so well, please explain. But not only that, OBAMA SHOWED 18 MILLION VOTERS HIS UNTRUSTWORTHY AND WHAT IS LIKE TO BE VOTED IN A BACKROOM DEAL.......MY AND YOUR GLBT RIGHTS WILL BE ALSO NEGOTIATED IN A BACKROOM BY A BUNCH OF HETEROSEXUAL MEN.
18 MILLION VOTERS SAW HOW HE AND THE BIG DUDES WITH THEIR BEER BELLIES AND FAT ASSES FROM THE DNC STOLE THE VOTES THAT WERE NOT ALLOCATED TO HIM AND YET HE ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN...HE WILL REMOVED EVERY RIGHT GIVEN OR EARNED TO YOU QUICKER THAN A RAY OF LIGHT.
Hillary makes me proud, all her supporters standing up against Obama and for democracy makes me proud, Not sucking up to the DNC and standing up for what's right makes me proud.. Obama? He makes me sick! His kool-aid is strong....but the truth is stronger.

I have given many reasons to vote for Barack Obama. You have given a temper tantrum.
I have given reasons to vote Democratic instead of not voting. You have given a temper tantrum.
I have given detailed responses that Barack Obama has given over the past few years. You have given nothing but misleading and incorrect information mixed with vitriol.
I have given detailed responses from Barack Obama regarding the gay and lesbian community. You have used terms generalizing the gay and lesbian community in your attacks against Barack Obama.

Whenever you have been confronted with facts you appear to skip past them and launch another more subtle attack on another subject. We get it, you're still crying about Hillary Clinton. Fine, be upset, but do NOT lump me and my community in with your views or with your attempts to elect a Republican to the Oval Office.

I'm not here to get you to vote for Obama. I could care less what you do because you're ignorant and self-absorbed, however, I will not give you credibility by ignoring your attacks on Barack Obama in the name of the gay community because your attacks are misleading and come with a false understanding of how elections work and what these elections mean to MY PEOPLE. You want to start a movement to get the gay community to vote for McCain or not vote...not here, not anywhere, I will not allow it. Go join the log cabins.

Because I have gone out of my way to tell you why it's important to vote for Barack Obama and I we all know the reasons why it's important that John McCain is NOT given control of our community, I think it's time for you to SHUT THE F' UP and stop lumping us all into your handbasket.

Jess, you made a comment when you first joined about how people were treating you and why young people don't get involved in politics.

I have to tell you, you get what you put in, and young people as a rule tend to be very black and white in their thinking. But its time to grow up, life is about varying shades of gray son.

Move on or more over we have work to do and right now you are in the way.

Alfredo you need to grow up and chill out.

I never said anything about "how our community needs to vote this November." People are going to vote the way they are going to vote. Some people will vote for Obama. Some will vote for McCain. Some will not vote at all. The queer community is not homogenous. I am not a spokesperson for the "community" and neither are you. This "community" is actually very dysfunctional from my experience in San Francisco.

I already said I was likely to vote for Obama. However, people like you are so intolerant that it pushes people away. Unfortunately, the few Obama supporters who react the way you do reflects on Obama himself. Also, there are Hillary supporters who react badly as well. That needs to stop also.

All you drama queens (Obama bots and Hillary bots) shut the f@ck up! We are not allowed to disagree. Fall in line with the Democratic Party NOW!

You are right and I do not claim to speak for the gay community. I will however guarantee you that the majority of the gay and lesbian community will vote for Barack Obama in November. You seem to disagree with me. Realistically, you jumped on what I said in the assumption that I was talking about the primary race which is now over with. I have moved on and I'm looking at what the best chances are for the gay and lesbian community for the next 30 years as well as for other reasons.

Why am I reacting in such a horrible way? Why is that queens with huge mouths about furthering "our" causes are the first to burn the Democratic Party if they don't get their way in the primaries? I have worked for community causes for many years and I'm not about to throw away 40+ years worth of advancements our people have made by giving importance to an "all or nothing" approach. I did not start out as an Obama supporter, I started out as a Dennis Kucinich supporter and I've had to change my hopes slightly for the next four years but I will under no circumstances allow someone to attempt to poison the community with lies. Is it that horrible of a thing to do?

Don't just start calling me "intolerant" because I've given reasons for voting for Obama and given reasons for not voting for McCain. While you've said you're likely to vote for Obama in November, you are enabling someone on this site who continually denies acknowledgment of facts and statements brought forth in this topic. I challenge you to make the case that not voting for Obama or to vote for McCain is a better move for the gay and lesbian community if you feel his opinion is acceptable as statement of fact. That is what this topic is about.

Then what you're saying is "this community", from your SF experience, is like the rest of society, pretty mixed up, screwed up and dysfunctional. From what I've seen the gay community is pretty much like the rest of society as far as being mixed up.

Apparently, you don't.

Ever read Gay South Florida at the Miami Herald? Every heard of Eric J. Stern, Co-Chair, LGBT National Leadership Council for Obama for America?

Read on.

Please support this opinion with facts from news organizations and reliable sources. This is opinion. Until you support these claims with sources, links from news organizations that are legitimate, to support your argument this is your opinion.



Same issues. Please support this allegation with facts from news organizations and reliable sources. Until then, it is your opinion. Randi Rhodes expects person's of the RRMB to support their arguments with facts and information from reliable news sources. We await to see if you can answer these claims from reliable news organizations. Not blogs or from opposing candidates, but reliable news sources. Thank you.

What would serve this community better is if person's would actually quote GLAAD or the Human Rights Project, or reliable sources that are documented before making sweeping claims or stating opinions as facts. That's how Randi works and that's pretty much my argument moving forward. If you're just going to say, "Obama to destroy LGLBT community", then you need to play adult and to to GLAAD, HRC or other legitimate sources, give us evidence to support your claims. If you took this argument and called into Randi, she'd slice you up in a thousand pieces because you can't support your argument, because it's all conjecture.

A better argument for me on this post would be, show me then how McCain would support the LGBT community...

I read the Sun Sentinel. I dunno that dude

Sen. Barack Obama:

"We will not secure full equality for all GLBT Americans until we learn how to address that deep disagreement and move beyond it. To achieve that goal, we must state our beliefs boldly, bring the message of equality to audiences that have not yet accepted it, and listen to what those audiences have to say in return.

For my entire career in public life, I have brought the message of GLBT equality to skeptical audiences as well as friendly ones. No other leading candidate in the race for the Presidency has demonstrated the same commitment to the principle of full equality. I support the full and unqualified repeal of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. While some say we should repeal only part of the law, I believe we should get rid of that statute altogether. Federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples. I will also fight to repeal the U.S. military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy, a law that should never have been passed, and my Defense Department will work with top military leaders to implement that repeal."

Full Piece - Gay & Lesbian Times

I guess I am trying to get at what your issue with him is. Sounds like he supports the gay community to me.