Sort of like the DC madam, don't you think?

KO just came back on the air and he definitely looks like he's been taking this hard. He doesn't look like his normal self.

It's certainly plausibe that an overweight, stressed workaholic with coronary disease could suffer a massive heart attack and die at 58.

His personal physician was just on MSNBC explaining Russert's physical condition and what he believes happened. Quite plausible (as in plausible deniablity, on which I have no opinion at this time).

Maybe KO knows (or at least strongly suspects) something we don't know...

Just a lot of people who were close to himm and knew him much longer don't seem to be having as hard a time...

Just speculating here...I'm as surprised and clueless as anyone.

Yeah,he's totally off his game & I can't watch it anymore today!!

And I can't stop watching
There is a great loss and it is really hitting hard
Why this year, why now?
He's the one who called the end of the primary season for Obama and Clinton.
It is so damn unfair he will not be here to see this one through in November.
That had to be coursing through his mind in his last moments.

My heart took a hit today as well. :{

I bet KO and Tim Russert were pretty close. Tim Russert was only 9 years older than Keith Olbermann and I think Russert was someone that KO looked up to big time in his aspirations in the media. I also know they are both HUGE baseball fans.

Dang, that is sad.

If there was an iota of reason or rational thought to the absurd speculation about murder, McClellan would have been dead within hours of his book having been submitted for review by the White House.

Keep the tin foil to the 9.11 threads, would ya, please?

Feel free to merge with any other thread.

Kind of a disrespectful title and you already knew there was a topic on the subject? Ummm ok

Anyone watching Larry King? I'm hearing right Larry King calling Barbara Walters " Barbara Wallace". He is supposed to know better.

He has forgotten that he knows better. Come on, dude. The guy is about 107! I think he's to be congratulated that he is able to fight the resistance of the suspenders and still stand on occasion.

My first clue was how he threw his ''Gayness'' up in our faces (ie... his avatar), kind of like he was trying too hard.

Now I'm not gay, but I have gay friends here, and the closest I've seen to that was Mikey-Mike, and his avvey was a pic of two guys holding hands... ergo, in good taste.

Back On Topic:

Russert was one of us, I'm going to miss him.

RIP Tim

Remember, they put Cheney on Meet the Press cuz he could "control the message"...

All due respect to his mourning friends and family...
xoxox

Nah, I didn't know there was another topic, but I didn't see it where I was looking. I didn't know if I was breaking news or not.

Anyway, it is Friday the 13th. Guess it wasn't Tim's lucky day, was it? I went to work today listening to KPOJ and hearing how famous people died on Friday the 13th, so I was mentally stoked for a celeb being reaped today.

How about those scouts in Iowa?

pretty ugly thinking you got going there...

i suggest everyone ignore it

I second that.

Ignore what?

appears balor is making light of the dead scouts

psst...Randys. I know.

Poor dead scouts. Always prepared. Bigger story than Tim Russert, but Tim was a famous person, eh?

The year before I left Iowa there was the 500 year flood and now? Global warming creating a new inland sea.

Excuse me, I'm just possessed by the imp of perverse at the moment. It will pass.

That's sick! Those poor kids!!

oh shit, i am getting old, damnit

how did i miss that

You're my age, it happens to us all...I feel your pain.

I think it is safe to assume that KO is in mourning. Not only the loss of a greatly respected colleague, but a trusted mentor, and close personal friend. I am somewhat still in shock over this untimely death of such a genuine human being.

Do you really think so? I saw him in a different light I guess...he seemed so excited and hopeful about this election!
What a terrible thing for his family and friends...I'll have to admit I shed a couple of tears myself. I liked Timmeh!

Like bad gas....

Then he died an idiot.


My ass. There's nothing conservative or liberal about this kind of behavior. The only way to describe it is partisan.

We sell ideology as the cheap side of party politics at our own loss. FOOLS.

So the following is a principle with which you disagree then - the headline of that story.



or is this the part you find idiotic?

thanks, gfink
I've learned a lot from this thread.

I highlighted exactly what I found idiotic and explained myself clearly. I don't step lightly for the dead.
his family won't read this board. Why candy-coat it?

Not to be rude, but anyone else finding this non-stop Russert coverage just a bit over the top? It is like MSNBC is televising a wake.

ditto

Yip! This was where I started liking Tim Russert. His reactions to this showed me that he was a good man.

And they will try to scare everyone to SHUT THEM UP, by threat of Death..... but little do they know, they may kill some of us, but the truth will NOT die, and those who speak the truth will continue to do so until justice is served.

Together we stand. Divided we fall.

A real patriot will fight for the truth until death.

Tim Russert was a good soldier.

Eh, I see nothing "highlighted" in the post to which I responded. This one here.

Unless, of course, what you mean by "highlighted" is that section which appears in quotes, referencing what was apparently Russert's last activity - an interview published on-line by MSNBC. Is THAT what you mean is idiotic?

In as much as I then provided significant excerpts of that interview and asked which portions of it were idiotic, I can't help suspect that you are somewhat confused.

As for candy-coating, I have no problem addressing Russert's shortcomings, as I've never been a member of the "post-death deification club" for anyone.

Looking for disagreements or criticisms to cite, I might point out Russert's (and NBC's) battle to duck the Libby trial subpoena on the grounds of journalistic principles, when his testimony ultimately revealed he had actually tossed those principles aside the instant the FBI came to chat with him, long before ANY subpoena had been issued. In private he chatted away to the government. For public consumption, however, he worked to play the role of the principled journalist.

Or perhaps we could look at his irritation over belated revelations as to the administration's propaganda campaign to support going to war. When it was learned what an important role Russert and MTP was considered to have played in that effort, he angrily rebutted accusations he'd fallen down on the job of challenging the White House by bitterly complaining that no one called him to report to him what was going on behind the scenes. The failure of sources to contact him was used as an excuse to explain why he didn't do the homework he should have - as if his job is simply to answer the phone.

Now, back to the post I asked about, I'm sorry to gather you haven't learned previous lessons and given up the penchant for developed late last year for obtuse, baffling posts, followed by bellicose, belligerent responses when someone has the temerity to ask for some clarity. I guess your lengthy time away wasn't used for the purposes I'd hoped.

However, you WILL "have" to see the first Black President, and Commander in Chief. How's YOUR heart?

Agreed. I think there are two things at work. First, it's the tendency for those in the profession to see themselves at the center of the world. This is that "inside the beltway" mentality writ large, though in this case the "beltway" extends beyond DC to include the media centers of NYC.

Second, I think the journalists and pols are providing Russert the fanfare and attention that each among them expect or hope their own passing might generate. I don't claim it's a conscious, intentional decision - quite the contrary. But they are setting precedents for the handling of such events.

Sometimes I am just not as large a person as I wish to be.

I just can't get over the eight solid years of lying and lying from
Administration officials that happened on his show. With, apparently,
his continued and vigilant blessing. Unlike Bill O'Reilly, Tim Russert
really *was* a journalist; and that makes it all the worse: He knew
better than what he was doing.

I know he was a good and kind father, but I am not his son. I am one of
the viewers of his show, who was lied to on his show. Week after week.
I am not large enough to get past all this.

So, today: The best I can do is to say I am sorry for all the people
around him who depended upon him, recognize him for the kindly,
intelligent, thoughtful and generous person he was in some ways, but to
reserve my most heartfelt condolences for the families of the soldiers
who have died and to the people who have lost jobs and money and even
their lives in domestic events over the last eight years, because of the
guests on his show whom he allowed to lie and lie and lie and lie
without ever asking the appropriate follow-up questions that he knew to
ask. The least he could have done, was to speak out against the obvious
betrayal and harm he saw taking place around him. That is a good
journalist's job. Sorry again.

If you think Arianna Huffington and I don't like Tim Russert; wait until
Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Laura
Ingram, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Richard Mellon
Scaife, Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes and the entire Bush cabinet die; one
by one.

You will sadly discover just how small a person I can be.

I apologize in advance.

sc

jealous

jealousy

Are you trying to score posts count?

705, 706,

707...

It could be part of their grieving process. Imagine being at work and your beloved boss or co-worker suffers a massive heart attack on the premises, I'm sure it would be hard to get back to business as usual very quickly.

Very well said. Perhaps this event is a "perfect storm" or sorts, in that there is a confluence of several issues and motives. Very interesting times we live in.

Yes, but they are supposed to be trained professionals who are there to witness, objectively and dispassionatly, the events of the day. Granted, it hits them where they live ( almost literally), but they once again have lost the distinction, imho, between reporting the news and becoming the news. To me, it's just another "media circus" or to echo another post here, its a media "wake". Meanwhile, Americans are drowning, dying from a heatwave, running for their lives from forrest fires, and dying in Iraq and Afganistan. See what I mean?

I love it when Randi Rhodes talks about this issue, as she has in many shows. It's a phenomenon she calls " The media covering the media". They are too lazy and way too compromise with special interests to cover real issues or ask tough questions, so what you are seeing today on the news it's the easy escape.

However I find myself guilty of watching it. I am rather glad that MSNBC is covering Tim Russert's death instead of those freaky shows such as "Raw" "How to catch a predator" "Into the woods" "To catch an ID theft"

You said it more completely and adequately than I could have. I agree with you totally. I say beware of the revisionist historians out there who will try to erase the truth and replace it with something passing for it. Usually wrapped in the flag.

Believe me you're not the only one that feels that way on here,scribble! Welcome to Randi's message board!!