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Alfredo
QUOTE (trojankev @ Jun 14 2008, 09:51 AM) *
Yes, but they are supposed to be trained professionals who are there to witness, objectively and dispassionatly, the events of the day. Granted, it hits them where they live ( almost literally), but they once again have lost the distinction, imho, between reporting the news and becoming the news. To me, it's just another "media circus" or to echo another post here, its a media "wake". Meanwhile, Americans are drowning, dying from a heatwave, running for their lives from forrest fires, and dying in Iraq and Afganistan. See what I mean?

I do see, but I also see them wanting to make sure that their beloved friend is sent off in a respectable manner, especially since it was so sudden and unexpected (at least to them).
bushwa
QUOTE (scribble @ Jun 14 2008, 09:29 AM) *
Sometimes I am just not as large a person as I wish to be....



I disagree with the extent of some of your conclusions and blame, but I sure wouldn't brand you small or unfeeling for holding and expressing the opinions.

An extremely prominent pol in my own community died a couple of years ago, and I'd been covering him for years. Initially regarded as a populist straight-talker with whom I shared MANY strong opinions, I came to quickly learn that he was a patently dishonest hypocrite who had over the years lied to astounding degree about virtually everything, from his own background and resume, to the contents of contemporary confidential documents. And virtually every lie appeared to be calculated to portray himself as the last honest man, and all others as the corrupt puppets of an unseen power structure.

I'm used to discovering mere feet of clay, but the depth, breadth and seriousness of these discoveries truly rocked me, and forced me to seriously and at length reconsider my own judgment.

When he died I covered it, and in doing so provided at length in one place all the details of his deceptions and real record, this as his acolytes were in full deification mode. I was amazed when the honesty and full picture of the man's record seemed to take the breath away of even those who had been victimized and impugned by the miserable SOB for years. They weren't critical, but they were stunned. And the acolytes responded with such fury that the police became involved.

I remain certain that the full sum of the man's life ended deep in negative numbers, and have no problem with having laid out the math leading to that conclusion. So I sure as hell don't mind others doing their version of the same, though I reserve the right to disagree with their math.

I'm still irked by the national fog of amnesia that fell upon the US after Reagan's death.

It's a bad habit we've gotten into.
Jessebttmboy
Cheeezzzzz . They just said on Meet The Press that Russert and Don Imus were close buddies!!! UGH.... whip.gif wtf.gif
Randys
QUOTE (Jessebttmboy @ Jun 15 2008, 06:40 AM) *
Cheeezzzzz . They just said on Meet The Press that Russert and Don Imus were close buddies!!! UGH.... whip.gif wtf.gif

so what, imus is just a normal guy, i dont know him to be homophobic
Jessebttmboy
QUOTE (Randys @ Jun 15 2008, 10:31 AM) *
so what, imus is just a normal guy, i dont know him to be homophobic



Normal guy...mmmm? Wait til he calls your fave gal babymama, he won't be normal anymore LOL
Randys
QUOTE (Jessebttmboy @ Jun 15 2008, 07:37 AM) *
Normal guy...mmmm? Wait til he calls your fave gal babymama, he won't be normal anymore LOL

when did he do that?
Jessebttmboy
QUOTE (Randys @ Jun 15 2008, 10:45 AM) *
when did he do that?



He hasn't yet.
Eyeswideopen
QUOTE (bushwa @ Jun 13 2008, 08:39 PM) *
If there was an iota of reason or rational thought to the absurd speculation about murder, McClellan would have been dead within hours of his book having been submitted for review by the White House.

Keep the tin foil to the 9.11 threads, would ya, please?

I am not speculating about the cause of Russert's death. I am prepared to take it on face value, until EVIDENCE suggesting something else presents itself. However, at the same time, I can see the glaring fallacy in your brand of "logic".

In your world, "if there there was an iota of reason or rational thought" to the notion that drug addicts and alcoholics die young, then Keith Richards would have died decades ago. But he lives. Therefore, according to your "logic" Richards' longevity disproves the rule. WRONG.

You cannot reasonably assume that because McClellan is alive, that proves that Russert died of natural causes. Every case should be judged on its own merits.

AGAIN, I am not saying Russert did not die of natural cause, just that, unlike you, I am open to new information and evidence. And unlike you, I can recognize patterns of criminal conduct which repeat themselves to silence truth tellers.

Also, your gratuitous "tin foil" reference to the "9/11 threads", is unnecessary and irrelevant, as well as insulting to many members of this message board.
5by5
Never watched his show, just clips of ridiculous quotes made by government officials or biased media people on it.

I really stopped watching the Sunday News talk shows when David Brinkley went bye-bye. "Face The Nation" hasn't been interesting since Howard K. Smith left the program. After that, they were pretty much dime-a-dozen, worthless Beltway Media self-congratulation exercises, and there isn't anything I could be LESS interested in than those people's opinions.

I became even less interested in them when I read a study that revealed how low the percentages were of their interviewing ANYONE with alternative, non-"official" perspectives (activists, NGO's and humanitarian group leaders, local citizen's leaders, etc.). Such shows are deeply one-sided, and not all that useful for anyone seeking the independent truth about a subject.

I wish his family the best, certainly at his age its a shocking loss, but considering his physical health, not really that surprising.

Not sure what all the big hubbub is about, other than it's a bunch of media insider's mourning the loss of THEIR friend, and because they have a national platform the rest of us don't, we get to hear about THEIR loss 24/7.

Sure wish they'd cover the families of the soldiers and THEIR losses half as well.
5by5
QUOTE (Jessebttmboy @ Jun 15 2008, 07:46 AM) *

I'd also like to applaud Jessebttmboy for one of THE best signature lines ever. biggrin.gif
Alfredo
QUOTE (5by5 @ Jun 15 2008, 09:13 AM) *
I'd also like to applaud Jessebttmboy for one of THE best signature lines ever. biggrin.gif

huh.gif I would disagree butt to each his/her own.
Jessebttmboy
QUOTE (Jessebttmboy @ Jun 15 2008, 07:46 AM) *
I'd also like to applaud Jessebttmboy for one of THE best signature lines ever. biggrin.gif



Thanks LOL
Jessebttmboy
QUOTE (Alfredo @ Jun 15 2008, 12:20 PM) *
huh.gif I would disagree butt to each his/her own.



Dude have a drink lol. If you were local I'd take you for T Dance Sunday lol
5by5
QUOTE (Alfredo @ Jun 15 2008, 09:20 AM) *
I would disagree butt to each his/her own.

Well it made my ass laugh... laugh.gif
NecroUnderachiever
This morning was rough. My fiancee and I were crying this morning during Meet the Press. Sundays will never be the same.
AntonSolo
QUOTE (scribble @ Jun 14 2008, 09:29 AM) *
If you think Arianna Huffington and I don't like Tim Russert; wait until
Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Laura
Ingram, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Richard Mellon
Scaife, Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes and the entire Bush cabinet die; one
by one.

You will sadly discover just how small a person I can be.


Don't worry too much scribble, I think all of us will be doing Irish Jigs on their respective graves before driving stakes and leaving Cleveland Steamers on each and every one of them.

Of course, I think the "Savage Wiener" would be the only one who'd actually enjoy it...

((don't ask what a Cleveland Steamer is, you wouldn't want to get into trouble for it))
brotherdavid
QUOTE (NecroUnderachiever @ Jun 15 2008, 02:29 PM) *
This morning was rough. My fiancee and I were crying this morning during Meet the Press. Sundays will never be the same.
D'accord. Candles continue lit and prayerful thoughts extended out to his family and colleagues.

omg.gif sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif meltdown.gif
roborok
QUOTE (trojankev @ Jun 14 2008, 09:51 AM) *
Yes, but they are supposed to be trained professionals who are there to witness, objectively and dispassionatly, the events of the day. Granted, it hits them where they live ( almost literally), but they once again have lost the distinction, imho, between reporting the news and becoming the news. To me, it's just another "media circus" or to echo another post here, its a media "wake". Meanwhile, Americans are drowning, dying from a heatwave, running for their lives from forrest fires, and dying in Iraq and Afganistan. See what I mean?


Yep! sad.gif Even the news was cancelled on Keith O's show on Friday!! fuct.gif
Hamoth
QUOTE (bushwa @ Jun 14 2008, 08:47 AM) *
Eh, I see nothing "highlighted" in the post to which I responded. This one here.

Unless, of course, what you mean by "highlighted" is that section which appears in quotes, referencing what was apparently Russert's last activity - an interview published on-line by MSNBC. Is THAT what you mean is idiotic?

In as much as I then provided significant excerpts of that interview and asked which portions of it were idiotic, I can't help suspect that you are somewhat confused.


The text in the quotes...that was write I objected to. I then wrote exactly what my problem was with it. I don't know why you percieve that to be a "belicose" "beligerant" beguiling baastion of bloviated bullshite...perhaps you can respond to what I said - which I will repeat:


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It’s a virus. You have bloggers on both sides, liberals and conservatives, Republicans and Democrats all trying to utilize this vehicle without any kind of fact checking and without any kind of editorial control.


I object to the above text that is put in quotes....the same way I put it in quotes before...

I wrote below these quotes:

"My ass. There's nothing conservative or liberal about this kind of behavior. The only way to describe it is partisan.

We sell ideology as the cheap side of party politics at our own loss. FOOLS."

Clearly, I felt that Russert's cheap partisan lense did little to help the issue he was feebly taking on (more likely assigned to talk about). There is no fair definition of a Liberal or Conservative that would include the kind of behavior described above. There's nothing liberal about lieing - "liberals" aren't spreading bullshit willy nilly. Democrats are. Conservatives aren't pathological liars, but Republicans are. We act like there's nothing great or elevated about our ideology, dragging it down to the deepest levels of it's most depraved adhearents and in so doing lose sight of something large and important.

I have no god, so instead I see ideas and noble standards as shining beacons of hope and light to guide me through the mist and fog of moral crises. Where some find an ancient semetic scroll holy and sacred, so do I look upon our ideals and aspirations as a species.

Only a fool would equate "liberal" with the blatant partisan lie machine and not expect a beligerant response from an actual honest to goodness liberal. Only a bad liberal wouldn't also speak up for conservative ideology as well.

I'm sick of this attitude in the media that basic morality is "passe" and that there are no ideas or issues greater than the mose petty and base possible reduction of an issue. It's idiotic and it's killing our country.

I won't miss tim, or the one with whome they replace him.

Clear enough?

I kinda felt like the shorter version was kinder. When I go to this length, I feel like I'm patronizing you.
Jessebttmboy
Okay. I liked Tim, and I am sorry that he is gone but...let's get back to news, he has gotten more coverage than all the dead presidents combined....well....Ronald Reagan the only one I have witnessed
CowboySteve
QUOTE
The Hedonists of Power
Posted on Jun 23, 2008
By Chris Hedges

Washington has become Versailles. We are ruled, entertained and informed by courtiers. The popular media are courtiers. The Democrats, like the Republicans, are courtiers. Our pundits and experts are courtiers. We are captivated by the hollow stagecraft of political theater as we are ruthlessly stripped of power. It is smoke and mirrors, tricks and con games. We are being had.

The past week was a good one if you were a courtier. We were instructed by the high priests on television over the past few days to mourn a Sunday morning talk show host, who made $5 million a year and who gave a platform to the powerful and the famous so they could spin, equivocate and lie to the nation. We were repeatedly told by these television courtiers, people like Tom Brokaw and Wolf Blitzer, that this talk show host was one of our nation’s greatest journalists, as if sitting in a studio, putting on makeup and chatting with Dick Cheney or George W. Bush have much to do with journalism.

No journalist makes $5 million a year. No journalist has a comfortable, cozy relationship with the powerful. No journalist believes that acting as a conduit, or a stenographer, for the powerful is a primary part of his or her calling. Those in power fear and dislike real journalists. Ask Seymour Hersh and Amy Goodman how often Bush or Cheney has invited them to dinner at the White House or offered them an interview.

All governments lie, as I.F. Stone pointed out, and it is the job of the journalist to do the hard, tedious reporting to shine a light on these lies. It is the job of courtiers, those on television playing the role of journalists, to feed off the scraps tossed to them by the powerful and never question the system. In the slang of the profession, these television courtiers are “throats.” These courtiers, including the late Tim Russert, never gave a voice to credible critics in the buildup to the war against Iraq. They were too busy playing their roles as red-blooded American patriots. They never fought back in their public forums against the steady erosion of our civil liberties and the trashing of our Constitution. These courtiers blindly accept the administration’s current propaganda to justify an attack on Iran. They parrot this propaganda. They dare not defy the corporate state. The corporations that employ them make them famous and rich. It is their Faustian pact. No class of courtiers, from the eunuchs behind Manchus in the 19th century to the Baghdad caliphs of the Abbasid caliphate, has ever transformed itself into a responsible elite. Courtiers are hedonists of power.

Our Versailles was busy this past week. The Democrats passed the FISA bill, which provides immunity for the telecoms that cooperated with the National Security Agency’s illegal surveillance over the past six years. This bill, which when signed means we will never know the extent of the Bush White House’s violation of our civil liberties, is expected to be adopted by the Senate. Barack Obama has promised to sign it in the name of national security. The bill gives the U.S. government a license to eavesdrop on our phone calls and e-mails. It demolishes our right to privacy. It endangers the work of journalists, human rights workers, crusading lawyers and whistle-blowers who attempt to expose abuses the government seeks to hide. These private communications can be stored indefinitely and disseminated, not just to the U.S. government but to other governments as well. The bill, once signed into law, will make it possible for those in power to identify and silence anyone who dares to make public information that defies the official narrative.


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