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The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9-11




As the world watched in disbelief and asked the question...



...Mossad operatives were seen dancing with joy.





A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.
The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1)

Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)

"They were like happy, you know They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)
[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4)

Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)
"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (7).....






Based on that phone call, police then issued a "Be-on-the-Lookout" alert for a white mini-van heading for the city's bridges and tunnels from New Jersey.


White, 2000 Chevrolet van with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals. (9)

When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!

According to ABCs 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:

"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." (10)

Why did he feel that Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD?

The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. (11)
The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture. (12).....







whatreallyhappened is an unacceptable site on this forum

Personnel in the Mossad: 2000.

BTW, for comparison, personnel in the CIA: (it's secret, but there are ways to estimate) 18,000.

# of Americans: 300 million (minus a bit)

Let's see. So is each Mossad officer in charge of controlling 150,000 Americans?

Actually, I work for the Jewish Justice League.

Here is our HQ.

From List of Websites, Authors not acceptable for the RRMB, Partial list to be updated.:

whatreallyhappened.com

Why's that?

Has this White Van thing been debunked?

Because they post openly anti-semitic articles all the time. The guy who runs whatreallyhappened is a racist Libertarian.

I used to stop by there for useful articles, but got tired of the Jews are responsible for all the evils in the world crap mixed in with the good.

I understand.

I have no doubt whatsoever that there was Israeli involvement in the attack, but I've never claimed that "Jews" are involved in it and I reject the premise that it's a "Jewish Conspiracy".
Zionist yes, Jewish no. It's more an issue of nationalism than religion.

The basics of the story are sourced by more credible sources (Link). The US government could tell us right now WTF happened on 9/11 in regard to US intelligence, Israeli intelligence, Saudi intelligence, Pakistani intelligence, etc. THEY WON'T DO IT.

One key question...if the intent of the attacks was to blame al Qaeda then why on earth would undercover Mossad agents act in such a manner? Their conduct was too deliberate and bizarre to be excused by the notion that they were incompetent.

And I quote from Dissent Magazine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_advance-knowledge_debate

It has been claimed that Israeli espionage agents, and particularly the Mossad, may have had foreknowledge of the attacks.[40][41]

On September, 2001, The New York Times and Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz' reported that four hours after the attack, the FBI arrested five Israelis who had been filming the smoking skyline from the roof of a white van in the parking lot of an apartment building, for "puzzling behavior". They were charged with illegally residing in the United States and working there without permits. The Israelis were said to have been videotaping the disaster with cries of "joy and mockery".[42][43] Police found the van and a search revealed $4,700 in cash hidden, along with foreign passports and a boxcutter which aroused suspicions and led to the detention of the occupants. The men were held in detention for more than 2 months, during which time they were subjected to interrogation and lie detector tests, before being deported back to Israel; one of the men (Paul Kurzberg) refused to take the test for 10 weeks, and then failed it.[44] There has been speculation as to whether the men had advance knowledge of the attacks.

The five men worked at the company Urban Moving Systems, owned and operated by Dominick Suter. After the men were arrested the FBI searched their offices and questioned Suter, however Suter fled to Israel before he could be questioned further. Eventually, Suter's name appeared on the May 2002 FBI Suspect List, along with the Sept. 11 hijackers and other suspected Muslim extremists.[45]

According to a former CIA chief of operations for counterterrorism Vince Cannistraro, there was speculation that Urban Moving Systems may have been a front for an intelligence operation investigating fund-raising networks channeling money to Hamas and Islamic Jihad.[46] On June 21, 2002, ABC reported that the FBI had concluded that the van's driver, Paul Kurzberg, and his brother Sivan, were indeed Mossad operatives.[47] According to an FBI spokesman, the men explained that they were celebrating because "...the United States would now have to commit itself to fighting [Middle East] terrorism, that Americans would have an understanding and empathy for Israel’s circumstances, and that the attacks were ultimately a good thing for Israel."[citation needed]

Christopher Ketchum claimed in Counterpunch:

What is perhaps most damning is that the Israelis’ celebration on the New Jersey waterfront occurred in the first sixteen minutes after the initial crash, when no one was aware this was a terrorist attack.
He sees this is suspicious because at this time major news agencies were yet to realize that the attack was not a catastrophic accident.[40]

In March, 2001, the US Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive had issued a warning about people identifying themselves as "Israeli art students" attempting to bypass security and gain entry to federal buildings, and even to the private residences of senior federal officials.[48][49][50][51] It has been suggested that operatives in this "art student spy ring" were tracking the 9/11 hijackers and knew that the attacks were going to take place, although a Drug Enforcement Agency memo leaked in December 2001, warning military bases to be on the alert for “possible intelligence collection being conducted by Israeli art students”, was primarily concerned with the students' efforts to foil investigations into unrelated Israeli organized crime.[52]

The Associated Press reported that "Israeli intelligence services were aware several months before Sept. 11 that bin Laden was planning a large-scale terror attack" and that this information was passed on to Washington. According to Fox News, In August 2001, Israel warned the US that an al-Qaeda attack is imminent. Reportedly, two high-ranking agents from the Mossad come to Washington and warned the FBI and CIA that up to 200 terrorists have slipped into the US and are planning "a major assault on the United States... [on a] large scale target."[53]

[snip]

So once again, what do we know for sure?

Did they have foreknowledge? Other than that they they seem to have leapt to the conclusion that this was a terrorist attack sooner than others, we don't know for sure. The story that they were in the park preparing to document the event before it happened has been debunked. They showed up after, not before. Maybe so soon that the Counterpunchers are suspicious, but anyway. They may have been in the area to document something, and not known exactly what or where; and when it happened, they documented it - just like they said. As for the cheering, well, the above shows the explanation of why they cheered. "Now you know how we feel". There does seem to have been Israeli suspicion there was going to be an attack, just as BTW as you can see on this page there was Italian, German, and French suspicion; but the Israelis DID pass on their suspicions to Washington.

As to why Urban Moving Systems was getting money from the gov't in 2001 - dunno. Agree one ought to know what that money was for.

Professor, how would you evaluate this source if a student had provided it to you?

And what categories is Dissent Magazine saying not to use? Need some context here.

Here's a link to the article: Anti-Semitism and the Left that Doesn't Learn -- Dissent Magazine

Here's (relatively)brief qoute:

Are you talking about Wikipedia in general? I'll answer that question. I agree Wikipedia can be of dubious value because as many have pointed out, anybody and their mom can of course edit and add material to articles. The only reason to consider Wikipedia reliable is presumably because there is a team of monitors who presumably periodically check articles for dubious additions, and because Wikipedia usually demands that all entries give their sources. There is lack of enforcement to that policy, of course, as you can see, since so many Wikipedia articles contain "citation needed" where there should be one. Wikipedia contains errors, of course, and so does the Encyclopedia Brittanica, but a Nature study of scientific articles in Wikipedia found that, on average, they contained about as many errors as the ones in Brittanica. Obviously, writing about political issues and fast moving current events (where information changes rapidly, bias is more likely to occur, that's different than writing an article about honeybee mating or continental drift) ... could be a different story.

If a student turned in a paper where everything in the bibliography was from Wikipedia, I would give them an "F". BTW, though, I would do the same thing if everything in the bibliography was from the Brittanica, too. So if you're asking about my class policy, it's that Wikipedia is an acceptable source, but anybody who relies solely on Wikipedia fails. I realize other professors take a tougher line than I do. But do I consider it acceptable for short lived arguments on the Internet? Yes.

As for this particular section on this subject, it gives its sources - New York Times, Ha'aretz, the Forward, the ADL, the Globe and Mail, the UK Telegraph, Le Monde - yes, I consider those acceptable.

Were I to see the Barnes Review, Ziopedia, and Whatreallyhappened there, no, I would not.

Seems to be a generally reasonable approach (especially given your specialty). However there are some differences in Wikipedia (and mainstream media, I guess). The discussion is a bit off topic, but we can proceed a bit.

The editing and vetting process in publications (and online) like Britannica (using this generically) is more established and generally careful. The citations are checked, usually. In Wikipedia, I don't think the vetting process is very good. Whenever one is passionate about an issue, there is a recognition that each publication/article/book has a bias and it is easily recognized. This is true in Wikipedia, this is true in Britannica and this is true in the mainstream and alternative press and in academic journals. On the other hand, the risk is much greater in Wikipedia, which faces more significant pressure and organized groups who try to (usually effectively) affect what is published. The process is more protected in publications like Britannica and academic journals. On the other hand, it limits perspectives. Wikipedia is more 'risky' because of the impression that it is authoritative and unbiased. But then that may just be lazy academics. (something which we all, me too, fall into on occasion.)

In general, I am much more leery of Wikipedia than other sources, though I too, use it sometimes.

I don't know if it is unbiased, per se, but their modus operandi seems to be the belief that by being open to being edited by all, any errors can be cancelled.

So, on one of our favorite subjects, say Israel-Palestine, the assumption is that anything biased and unwarranted written by Zionists will be challenged (and deleted if it is unsubstantiated) by Palestinians or other anti-Zionists, and anything written by anti-Zionists will be challenged by Zionists, and that presumably through that process of allowing each side its challenge of biased and unsubstantiated material by the other, something approaching objectivity and neutrality will be achieved. Again, presumably, the only thing that gets left through this process of "mutually assured destruction" (of claims) are neutral statements of fact that both sides to the argument can agree on.

How well that works in practice, I agree, remains to be seen.

Stephen Colbert loves to point out howlers in Wikipedia, like the fact that there are bogus entries on celebrities that point out things that don't exist. Yeah, but, that's likely because there is not a passionate two-sided debate over the lives of celebrities where everyone is scrutinizing the entries to see whether or not they are correct. So the pranksters are likely to go unchallenged when they claim Steve Martin really was trained in ninjitsu, or whatever.

The obvious problem is that anybody writing an article on honeybee mating for Wikipedia is interested in, well, honeybee mating. I don't know if there are any sharp or acid controversies right now over honeybee mating.

But obviously anybody willing to take the time to write an article on Israel Palestine, probably has a POV, and is unlikely to have come to it through pure academic disinterest. BTW, I could point out to you that in our own field, but not just in the social sciences and humanities, there is an ongoing debate as to whether "pure" academic disinterest really exists. I mean, you don't study something unless you want to prove something about it. None of us are tabula rasa and what we want to learn about the world, is inevitably shaped by who we are and what we think is worth learning. I personally think academic training doesn't train you to eliminate bias, anymore than it trains you to eliminate emotion. Doing either is impossible. However, it does help train you to recognize it in others, and facilitate mechanisms for controlling it in yourself, obviously peer review being the most important.

Yep this was one of the points I was trying to make. I know when I was offered a teching position at a major university, we discussed my bia relating to the field. I clearly have one, as is obvious to everyone. But I can understand the issues and discuss them fairly (I hope, usually.)

Nice link. It adds a bit of believablity to what otherwise would be dismissed as a bigotted tin-foil hat rant, but it totally fails to support any of your innuendo. So some company got a small business loan from the federal government. Millions of businesses get small business loans from the government.

Dispite your claims, you failed to document your innuendo that there is some connection between that company and Israel.
You threw in a bit about dancing Israelis as if it were a proven fact rather than something made up by ignorant racists (please note that this is not a personal attack as I did not call you personally an ignorant racist).

You threw in all sorts of claims from racist sites, yet you do not even attempt to provide any evidence for them.

Why do you assume that the racist fantasies of a few people are facts?

"why on earth would undercover Mossad agents act in such a manner?". Since they didn't, the question is silly. Funny, for a secret organization who controls the world, an aweful lot of people know who they are.


This piece of bigotted garbage was started by anti-semites upset that videos of Arabs dancing in joy over 9/11 were displayed around the world. Simply create a rumor that it was Israeli secret agents dancing in joy and you can feed the racist bigoty of a lot of ignorant people.

This rant originally posted and most of the comments are offensive, racist, ignorant, and patently untrue. I notice that people making these claims slide them in in a backhanded manner as if they were fact, post links that don't support their claims, and are otherwise unwilling to defend them.

BTW, let me add, again, my own statement of what I think is known and not known about this subject.

It seems that at least 2 of the 5 people working for Urban Moving Systems that day may have been Mossad. At the moment, let's just say it's possible but it's unconfirmed.

That does not prove UMS was a Mossad "front company" or operation. And we don't know if anybody else working for the company was, let alone the balance of the five.

As a small business that was in the moving business, it entirely makes sense for them to receive a small business loan.

This is a great article - thanks for sharing it.

What I found interesting was the first line of the cited wikipedia article:



I went to notation [41] and read the provided paper. In fact, it looked at the Israeli espionage/Mossad/Jewish conspiracy repords being bandied about, and DEBUNKED them.

Unraveling Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

Maybe try reading facts instead of anti-semitic conspiracy theories and maybe people wouldn't hate the Jews/zionists so much.

Ok, fact or fiction ? It is reported that Jewish people in the WTCs were given a head's up on 09/11. The report indicated that probably the oldest popular international internet pm program ICQ, was used to give warning. Is that true, maybe Joe Lieberman only knows for sure.

If it is true, was it Mossad or a Jewish Mystic that gave the warning ? Not to laugh, I have some semi-reliable hearsay that a person in NYC handed out leaflets of the impending disaster up to six months prior to 09/11. At one time, I tried through several sources to get one of those flyers that normally get passed around on street corners in the Big Apple advertising alot of different stuff. I suppose end of the world scenerios would be common too.

I did chance on one person claiming that he was passed this leaflet directly by a mother and daughter, claiming the daughter was a medium of sorts, interesting.

First, the improbable has to be eliminated to get to the facts. Someone, who may get played quite often, recently stated that we do have friends but they just can't talk to us now. Is that because certain parties will rat out intelligence assets trying to cover their own asses, I am not sure.

Snopes has had this one on their website for at least six years. Answer: not true. Urban legend.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.asp

If you want, I can show you lists of Jews - including a few who truly were Israeli Americans working there - killed in the attack.



The program was Odigo instant messenger, and while it is true that Odigo is an Israeli company, that's the extent of the story. We do know somebody used Odigo to send a vague warning about an impending terrorist attack a few hours before. It didn't mention the WTC nor was it sent to someone in the WTC. Just because the program used was Odigo does not mean whoever sent that warning was Israeli. It's used by people all over the world.

WTF Joe Lieberman has to do with this, that, or the price of tea in China, is beyond me.

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the 9/11 conspiracy nutzo...er theory subforum?

I'll be happy to make the argument that "The MOSSAD is a RICO Felony Mafia Crime Family" that has helped destroy America...........for their own benefit..........and most good jewish people are impotent to stop the radical right wing in Israel.

I don't understand 'CENSORSHIP OF WHAT REALLY HAPPENED" as a form of "promoting Democratic free speach values" that all people at this forum................depend upon (until they get chipped, mind controlled, and interned at a FEMA camp in the near future).


I will not condone....hypocrisy in any form.

Nor should you.

I may not agree with what you say....but I will fight for your right to say what you will.

I'm not afraid of POINTING THE FINGER AT MOSSAD'S RICO FELONY CRIMES....including TITLE III FELONIES WHEN MOSSAD had CLINTON'S telephonic communications wiretapped as he talked to the MOSSAD PLANT, Monica "blue dress" LEWINSKI.

FEDERAL MONEY goes to a radical terrorist group operating inside America........linked to the treasonous murder of 3,000 Americans.............AND YOU WANT TO START HURLING WORDS LIKE "nutzo"?


The link speaks for itself.


Government records...aid to terrorists celebrating murder of Americans.....and I am a nutzo?

Yes, yes you are.

Nice link.


The MOSSAD is everywhere.


Ran into them at Big Bend National Park in December 2007.


Their team...were directed by a counterintel officer working for DOD's CIFA Unit.


I helped them...try to fix the flat tire on their motorcycle.


This gave me chance to memorize the serial number of the bike....and ran it back to US GOV.


That's okay....my right wing buddies at FBI/dod know....I AM A STAUNCH SUPPORTER OF THE US OF AMERICA and take a "hard line" towards "America first....Americas best interest first".

Thus, a guy like me....will clash with any foreign government's intel agency that has subverted US INFOSEC, and NATIONAL SECURITY.

What is the JEWISH JUSTICE LEAGUE doing for those families whose kids buy and sell MOSSAD'S ECSTASY that was protected with MOSSAD's CALEA interface hack (Israeli firm wrote the software for CALEA?).


FBI and DEA were outraged that....their drug investigation had been compromised...and...NO CHARGES FROM FBI OR DOJ for Title III and RICO Felonies?


Why should I follow the law.....................when others don't have to?

Ok, am I the only one here who is highly offended by the suggestion that the Israeli government had anything to do with 9/11? Am I also the only one here who finds this entire thread to be smacking of anti-semitism?

While it is true that questions remain about what really happened on 9/11, I am not, nor will I ever be, unless I am presented with absolutely irrefutable evidence to the contrary, which, I might add, has in no way been presented in this vitriolic and insulting thread, prepared to accept that the government of Israel, or the intelligence agencies of Israel, were in any way connected to 9/11. Such suggestions stem from the same sick anti-semitism that spawns such hate literature as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, one of the main works of hate fiction that fuels the Jew hatred of such terrorist groups as Hamas and Hizbullah.

Someone please close this thread before someone accuses the Mossad of butchering Christian babies.

It's called an EXCITED UTTERANCE in legal terms.


The EXCITED UTTERANCE is one way around a Hearsay objection.


Because?.....exicted utterances are considered ineffable proof positive" that the veracity of the articulated emotion is true, correct, definitive, credibility.


WHEN soldiers work together towards a common goal...while following orders....after careful planning, execution, and successful completion of their goals............................................SOLDIERS GET EXCITED AT FEELING POWERFUL TOGETHER AS SUCCESSFUL HEROIC GOAL MEETING CONSPIRATORS.


MOSSAD just accessed America's war time powers.........to target their historical enemies (The middle eastern races) in pursuit of what zionists want more than anything----TO ANNIHILATE THEIR ENEMIES WITH GODLIKE HOLACAUST WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, if more conventional arms fail to achieve goals.


MOSSAD just got what they wanted.


Mission accomplished.


Who could have repressed their emotions...........on the day of their greatest success?


EXCITED UTTERANCE as part of a tribal bonding show of superiority.


Watch the black kids emote with tribal body language after they "bounced rocks off of an LA truck driver's head" during the Rodney King riots.


EXCITED UTTERANCE.


EMOTIONS AND ARTICULATION OF POWER, AND FEELING OMNIPOTENT.


Goes to credibility....veracity...truthfulness.

I'd like to see....who did the paperwork on this grant?


Ever try to get a Gov bureacracy to move paper through the system?


Takes grease or pull.


Who pulled strings?


I know alot of good solid americans who pay taxes who would like 500,000 $ to open a business that does not include filming 3,000 American deaths.

I don't understand why it is called anti-semitism when or if a person has an issue or hatred for Israel's political leadership and or intelligence agencies policies. If the issue is one of politics and not one of religious dogma I just don't get it.

It's anti-semitism when baseless accusations are hurled at the Israeli intelligence agency and used as a platform for a whole argument about Zionist control of the world. That's anti-semitism.

Criticism of the policies of the government of Israel is legitimate. I do so.

Saying that there's an international conspiracy of Jews that are doing nefarious things has been a theme for centuries. Changing the language to say that zionists are nefarious, or that mossad are nefarious is the same thing with a different face.

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blo...asher_karni_and



Let's take a look at another Jewish person...whose terrorist conspiracy inside America....was largely ignored, ONLY UNTIL the FBI stepped in, broke ranks, and did get a MSM publication to finally write a more thorough story.


An israeli got bail...from a fed judge....in Denver after being arrested for committing overt acts as part of a conspiracy to possess nuke triggers?


Hmmm....this week nuke triggers were in the news....no?


...."A substantial amount of evidence can be found in a comparative analysis between two very interesting and distinctly different individuals. One, a rather insignificant personality by the name of Ryan G. Anderson, accused of passing information on “U.S military capabilities and weaponry,” to FBI agents posing as Al Qaeda operatives on the Internet; the other, a gentlemen by the name of Asher Karni who was arrested on January 2, 2004 at Denver International Airport for having sold Pakistan at least sixty-six spark gap igniters, devices used to trigger or detonate nuclear weapons. For whatever reason the crime committed by Ryan G. Anderson has been broadcast to the entire nation, whereas Asher Karni remains an almost nonentity in the American consciousness primarily because the media has chosen to remain silent about him and his case. ".....

If this is something you are really interested in, take a look at my post, about 13 or so messages earlier, and also take a look at the article linked to.

But what about the Jews that did not chose to back or support the implementation of the Zionist state that is now Israel in the mid 1940's? There was a great divide within the world's Jewish community about how things had been handled and political policies in the build up of the state of Israel. You can not accuse that dissenting group of Jews of antisemitism now can you? Anti-Zionist yes. This was a political issue, not one of worship.

Antisemitism is noting new. Saying that there's nothing wrong with Jews, but there's a Zionist conspiracy is just antisemitism with a different face. It's disingenuous.

http://www.madcowprod.com/01122004.html



January 12, 2005 - Venice, FL



Michael Chertoff, appointed by President Bush to head the Homeland Security Department, may have shielded from criminal prosecution a former client suspected by law enforcement of having funneled millions of dollars directly to Osama Bin Laden while in charge of the U.S. Government’s 9.11 investigation.

Egyptian-born Dr. Magdy el-Amir, a prominent New Jersey neurologist, was at the center of terrorist intrigue in Jersey City.

El-Amir gave money to a conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman.

His brother in Cairo was caught on tape attempting to buy weapons from an American undercover agent for Islamic militant groups.

Before being arrested in a terrorist deal involving oil and heroin for guns and training, arms smuggler Diaa Mohsen was paid at least $5,000 by one of Dr. el Amir's companies, NBC’s Dateline reported.

And his HMO was suspected by law enforcement of being used to funnel money directly to Osama bin laden.





Wire Transfers to "Unknown Parties"




Chertoff’s client "caused more than $5.7 million to be paid by wire transfers to unknown parties," said the lawsuit filed shortly before the state took over his failing HMO.

News accounts about el-Amir’s legal difficulties contain unanswered questions about undue political influence and its effect on national security.

For example, how did el-Amir, who only the month before had been granted a state license to operate an HMO, finagle a lucrative contract from the state of New Jersey in 1995?

“Why was this doctor allowed to start a health plan?” asked the October 25, 1999 issue of the medical trade journal Medical Economics.

“How could this medical entrepreneur, who had no experience running a managed-care or health insurance company, receive a license for an HMO that now provides care to 44,000 of New Jersey's most vulnerable citizens?" asked The Bergen Record. “Moreover, how could the state pay such a novice $ 6 million a month in taxpayers money to take on such a responsibility?”

Why did Michael Chertoff even take the case?





Skimming for Osama in New Jersey



Answers were slow in coming, until it was revealed that at the same time el-Amir was pitching state business he had begun making generous contributions to the governing Republican party, donating nearly $ 18,000 to various GOP candidates in 1996.

And a foreign intelligence report made available to the Chairman of the House International Committee alleged that an HMO owned by Dr. el Amir in New Jersey was “funded by Ben Laden,” and that in turn Dr. el Amir was skimming money from the HMO to fund “terrorist activities.”’…

Stuff like that doesn’t happen, does it? In New Jersey?

Barely three years after enrolling its first patient, APPP lay in financial ruins, its network doctors and hospitals were saddled with millions of dollars in unpaid claims, and its founder had retained the services of Michael Chertoff.

Did Chertoff know where the stolen money was going?

"Frankly, we can't differentiate between terrorism and organized crime and drug dealing," then-Asst Attorney General Michael Chertoff told the Senate Banking Committee looking into the terrorists’ money trail in the aftermath of 9.11.

“These groups don't hold themselves independently: They work with one another. Terrorists get engaged in drug activity. They have relationships with organized crime," Chertoff said.





Paging Tony Soprano




Chertoff was undoubtedly worth every penny Dr. Magdy paid him: though doctors and hospitals calculated they were owed more than $45 million, Dr. ElAmir faced no criminal charges.

When the MadCow Morning News first reported on Mob and terrorist connections to "Magic Dutch Boy” Rudi Dekkers and the covert operations conducted at the Venice Airport, Michael Chertoff was running the official U.S. investigation.

Dekkers remains free.

Magdy el-Amir continues to live and practice in New Jersey.

Now that Chertoff has been tapped to keep America safe, questions are sure to resurface about whether he hadn’t himself been instrumental in helping to make America dangerous.

Documents in the el-Amir case remain under seal. Fortunately, the following information does not. From the Bergen County Record (New Jersey) on January 24, 1999:

“For a while, Magdy Elamir looked like the Horatio Alger of managed care in New Jersey.”

“An Egyptian immigrant who parlayed a storefront medical practice in Jersey City into a multimillion-dollar health-care empire that served thousands of the state’s poorest citizens, he lived in a Saddle River mansion and contributed generously to candidates for political office”…

“His health maintenance organization, American Preferred Provider Plan Inc., is about to be sold by state regulators to salvage some money for doctors and hospitals who calculate they’re owed more than $ 45 million.” Link

In August 2002, NBC’s Dateline reported on the el-Amir case:

“Last fall, DATELINE obtained information about this man, Magdy el Amir. He’s a prominent doctor, a neurologist with a practice in Jersey City. Born and educated in Egypt, he moved to this country about 20 years ago and since then has built a fortune”…





My brother likes tanks, is all.




“Well, take a look at this document obtained by DATELINE last fall. A foreign intelligence report that makes a startling allegation about the doctor, that he has had financial ties with Osama bin Laden for years. The report was given to a senior member of Congress, Ben Gilman, back in 1998 when he was chairman of the House International Relations Committee”…

“The report alleges that an HMO owned by Dr. el Amir in New Jersey was “funded by Ben Laden,” and that in turn Dr. el Amir was skimming money from the HMO to fund “terrorist activities.”’…

“Less than a year after the congressman says the FBI received the report, Dr. el Amir’s HMO was taken over by the state of New Jersey… according to sources close to the investigation, more than $15 million is unaccounted for. Where did the money go? DATELINE has reviewed documents that show at least some of it went into hard-to-trace offshore bank accounts”…

“But the intelligence report suggests one thing that he doesn’t deny, that he has donated money to the mosque where the blind sheik once preached, Omar Abdel-Rahman, who is now in prison for his role in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing”…

“DATELINE has found another reason why federal investigators might want to pay close attention to Dr. el Amir and his family. It’s something we learned when we interviewed Randy Glass, the con man-turned-undercover operative who helped the government break up an illegal weapons ring allegedly tied to terrorist groups. It turns out that one of the people recorded trying to arrange an arms deal with Randy Glass was Dr. el Amir’s own brother, Mohamed, an engineer, also a US citizen now living in Egypt. And just listen to what he was interested in”…

“Mr. GLASS: (From tape) OK. They want to ship things like tanks, correct?”

“Mr. EL AMIR: (From tape) Uh-huh… No, no, no, no, just ammunition, not tanks.”


“Glass says federal agents told him to drop the matter”…

“That same intelligence report that talks about Dr. [Magdy] el Amir also names his brother Mohamed as having ties to Osama bin Laden.” Link




Chertoff for the Defense




The el-Amir’s appear to be intimately linked with Osama bin Laden, making the following report from The Bergen Record quite puzzling, dated December 11, 1998:

“A Superior Court judge on Thursday ordered state Insurance Commissioner… to take control of American Preferred Provider Plan Inc., a health-maintenance organization for Medicaid patients allegedly bled dry by its Saddle River owner, neurologist Magdy Elamir”…

“But in a hint of the gravity of his legal predicament, he was represented in court by Michael Chertoff, the former U.S. attorney in Newark and counsel to U.S. Sen. Alfonse D’Amato’s Whitewater investigation.” Link

Yes, the soon-to-be Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff represented a known bin Laden operative. Perhaps more troubling, Chertoff also headed the U.S.’s investigation into the September 11th attack. From the New Jersey Law Journal, August 4, 2003:

“The Sept. 11 investigation was supervised by Assistant Attorney General Michael Chertoff, head of the U.S. Criminal Justice Division, who is now a Third Circuit judge.” Link


More on Chertoff from the New Yorker, November 5, 2001:

“Since the September 11th terrorist attacks, Chertoff’s office has become the funnel for what is probably the most important criminal investigation in American history, as prosecutors and F.B.I. investigators pour in to seek the boss’s approval. What leads can we use from the search of a hijacker’s car in Portland, Maine? Where do the hijackers’ credit-card records lead?… For day-to-day decisions, Chertoff has the last word”…

“Graduating from Harvard Law School, in 1978… he served as a model for an intense and brilliant character in his classmate Scott Turow’s book “One L,”…Link





Intense, brilliant...corrupt?




Though el-Amir’s HMO was known to be affiliated with bin Laden since the mid-1990s, Chertoff offers an alternate view of the HMO’s financial statements. From The Record, December 18, 1998:

“Elamir’s attorney, Michael Chertoff, the former U.S. attorney in Newark, offered the doctor’s first in-depth defense to the state charges Thursday, insisting that Elamir had not misappropriated any funds from APPP [el-Amir’s HMO].” Link

Also from The Record, December 16, 1998:

“Michael Chertoff, a former U.S. attorney who is Elamir’s attorney, said the state’s papers don’t give the complete picture of the company’s finances. “It’s a one-sided picture of what’s going on,” he said.” It would be unfortunate if the state’s approach is to find someone to punish, rather than solve the problem.”’

“Chertoff said Elamir would like to work with the state in its effort to rehabilitate the HMO.” Link

Chertoff’s comments on the case made The New York Times on December 18, 1998:

"“Dr. Elamir’s lawyer, Michael Chertoff, said that all transactions were approved by state agencies and that his client has done nothing improper.” Link

The Bergen Record printed a post-trial wrap-up of the case on February 22, 2000:

“A year after a Medicaid HMO accused of misusing state and federal funds was dissolved by the state, its founder is still enjoying a millionaire’s income while the hospitals and doctors who allegedly were defrauded delay programs for the poor and fight for restitution”…

“APPP’s founder, Saddle River neurologist Magdy Elamir, continues to practice medicine in a Jersey City storefront office and lives in a $ 1.8 million mansion in one of Bergen County’s toniest suburbs, court records show. His car leases alone total $ 65,000 per year, the records show.”

“The Egyptian immigrant also operates a chain of MRI facilities in Newark, Irvington, and Paterson, a limousine company, and a medical management company. Combined with his medical practice, his income totals more than $ 18,000 weekly, nearly $ 1 million a year, records show.”




A Republican voice for the downtrodden




‘“He’s still in good spirits,” said Michael Chertoff, the former U.S. attorney in Newark whom Elamir hired as his defense lawyer.”

“Public records in the civil case contain no reference to a criminal investigation, but court officials said some documents in the case were under seal. The state Attorney General’s Office would neither confirm nor deny an investigation. The state’s Medicaid fraud division is not involved in the case, a Medicaid spokesman said”…

“Elamir’s property and bank accounts are worth more than $ 8.8 million, according to his financial statement, but mortgages and other liens reduce his net worth to $ 760,000”... Link

Why would New Jersey’s Top Attorney Michael Chertoff represent a person of el-Amir’s relatively modest financial position? Though comfortable, el-Amir had failed to reach millionaire status. Not exactly Chertoff’s typical clientele, as reported by The Bergen Record on June 19, 2000:

“New Jersey is home to about 65,000 lawyers, some of whom are quite good at what they do. But if the state had a First Lawyer, or a Lawyer Laureate, it just might be Michael Chertoff”…

“His counsel is sought by public corporations, politicians, government agencies, and high-profile defendants”…

“Columbia/HCA, the health-care consortium… is the ninth-largest employer in the United States… As the lead attorney for Columbia, Chertoff negotiated a partial settlement of the case in May for about $ 745 million”…

“When he entered private practice, Chertoff said he would not represent drug dealers and mobsters, preferring to work for “decent people.”’ Link

Well, after all, it was only a preference

At this point, "great" would be an overstatement. That aside, the opposition that exists within the Jewish community to political zionism is a result several different approaches. It is important that you don't confuse criticism of Israeli policy with anti-Zionism.

From a religious point of view, some Jews opposed Israel either because it is a secular state, not more theocratic. Others oppose the rekindled state because some believe it should not be in place till the Messiah comes. In any case, Israel, the specific place is of great importance and central to their beliefs and practices.

There are others, who tend to be separated from the Jewish community. Yes, some of them are influenced by anti-semitic thoughts and follow the lead of a rather jaded world view. Some take the (I believe mistaken) opinion that if the Jews "just behaved" no-one would bother them. You can decide if this is a reaction to anti-semitism.

There are some who just don't believe in any nationalism. Not American, not British, not Japanese, not Arab, not Palestinian. So not Jewish would fit in with that world view (though not with Jewish thought). I would not say this is anti-semitic.

With few exceptions (as noted above), I would argue that anti-zionism is anti-semitism. On the other hand, if you hold the State of Israel to standards that you hold other countries and parties to, then it is legitimate.

Again, I refer you to my post above on this issue.

edit: never mind.

It's a NEOCON thing. It's not American or Israeli. It's not Christian or Jewish. It's those, like Cheney and Netanyahu, who deliberately provoke conflict to cause war and promote their warmongering agenda for greed and power.

But as long as people keep missing the point and thinking this is a "Jewish" or "Israeli" issue, then the warmongering will continue without serious examination.

Instead, we need to focus on the PNAC and the Clean Break Strategy. That's what it's all about.

http://www.madcowprod.com/10252006.html

RUSSION MOB LINK TO 9/11 HIJACKERS



WORLD EXCLUSIVE
Oct 25 2006--Venice FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker





.....“Non-Jewish Russian mobsters often fraudulently claimed Jewish ancestry in order to gain easier movement in and out of Israel, where the Russian Mafia has established a large operating base,” said the source. “It was a real scam by Russian organized crime; it was easier for lots of these people to say they were Jewish to get into Israel, and then from Israel to become instant citizens, get Israeli passports, and then into the U.S.”

We received confirmation that there were, indeed, Muslim Mobsters from the former USSR posing as Jews in “Red Mafiya,” by Stephen I Friedman, the definitive book about the Russian Mob in Brighton Beach.




Brighton Beach: the new Berlin?



The head of the New York FBI’s Russian Mob unit told Friedman that there were three or four major Russian crime families operating in Brighton Beach; the largest consisted primarily of Jewish émigrés from Odessa, followed by a second family from Tashkent, in Uzbekistan, which the FBI had pegged as Muslim, but which people in the community insisted was Jewish.

In addition to being associated with the Russian Mob, Valles Diaz was also a partner in the company “leasing” the Lear jet, American Jet Charters, along with the planes owner, 75-year old Wallace J. Hilliard, the Wisconsin insurance executive who says he “retired” to Florida, but who, instead—within a year of his supposed “retirement”— had assembled a fleet of between twenty to thirty long-range private jets, as well as flight schools like the now-infamous Huffman Aviation.

The news that Wally Hilliard’s Lear jet had been used by Russian Mobsters came hard on the heels of the recent revelation about one of Mohamed Atta’s closest associates in Florida, Wolfgang Bohringer, the personal pilot for Victor Kozeny, known as the “Pirate of Prague,” and also purported to have Russian Mob connections.

Late last month Kozeny was ordered extradited to New York by a court in the Bahamas to face charges of defrauding American investors, including former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, of almost $150 million. During the Northern Ireland peace talks, which Mitchell brokered in 1999, he had been flown to the negotiations in Kozeny’s personal jet, according to published reports.

The disclosures raise the question of the Russian Mob’s possible role as the “global network” which British Prime Minister said had assisted the terrorists while they were in the U.S.





The Global Network which supported the terrorists?




FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, who former Attorney General John Ashcroft went all the way to the Supreme Court to silence, revealed she saw documents indicating the U.S. State Department was covering up a drug trafficking network associated with the terrorists involved in the 9/11 attack.

Could this “drug trafficking network” be, or involve, the Russian Mob?

The recent news underlines the significance of the Central Asia “Stans’”— Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan—which has become increasingly apparent recently, even in news stories where they appear to be only peripherally involved.

Take Republican Rep. Curt Weldon’s current difficulties, for example, in providing his daughter with entrée, lobbying assistance, and money that foreign governments and companies are only too happy to provide for friendly access in Washington D.C.

Just a few years ago, this scandal would have had a Saudi face. Today its centered in the Central Asian “republics.”




Hey Ney, Hey Ho, Iran Contra ops have got to go




Then there’s the soon-to-be-incarcerated Bob Ney. On the road to his bribery conspiracy plea, Rep. Bob Ney of Ohio crossed paths with a colorful Broward ex-con who swindled Elvis and snitched on the mob. But that’s not all…
In addition to being one of Jack Abramoff’s “altar boys,” he was gambling in London with a Syrian “businessman” named Fouad al Zayat, known as the “Fat Man.” Al-Zayat is one of the top dozen high stakes gamblers in the world, owns cargo aviation companies, and freely consorts with known criminals…

In other words, he’s a junior Adnan Khashoggi. Only his playground isn’t Riyadh. It's Tashkent.

We had already discovered, in “Welcome to TERRORLAND,” that “retired insurance executive” Wally Hilliard had friends in high places… everyone from former Democratic fund-raiser Truman Arnold to Florida Republican Governor Jeb Bush. Even reviled former Florida Sec’y of State Katherine Harris put in a good word, praising his non-existent airline.

Hilliard doesn’t restrict his wheeler-dealing to domestic politicians, either. We’ve already reported extensively, for example, on his involvement with Saudi billionaire and Iran Contra figure Adnan Khashoggi.

The man who came up to Venice from his $4 million estate in Naples FL “only when the newer jets came in” apparently has ties to almost everyone fingered in the Iran Contra Scandal.




Not a great scandal, but it sure has lasted a long time



Adnan Khashoggi lieutenant Ramy El-Batrawi ran an air cargo carrier company for Khashoggi called Jetbourne International which flew 23 tons of missiles to Iran for Oliver North.

El-Batrawi also is in business with SkyWay Aircraft, the shadowy St Petersburg FL aviation company which has an apparent “green light” from the DEA to load 5.5 tons of cocaine aboard DC9’s and get away with it.

But Hilliard is also in business, we recently discovered, with two more Iran Contra veterans, in a company offering HD-TV chips called SPATIALIGHT, INC.

Farhad Azima and Mansour Rasnavad both have illustrious CIA pedigrees. Azima, an Iranian whose family was close to the Shah, owns a cargo airline in Miami that delivered whatever Iran Contra swag El-Batrawi’s cargo airline left behind.

Azima’s Global International Air (executive vice-president Mansour Rasnavad) was part of Oliver North's logistical network shipping arms—including a shipment of 23 tons of TOW missiles to Iran—to the Ayatollah.




"Our guns go to those who need them."



Their relationship with the agency which goes back to the late 1970s when he supplied air and logistical support to EATSCO (Egyptian American Transport and Services Corporation) a company owned by former CIA agents Thomas Clines, Theodore Shackley, and Richard Secord, and which was prominently involved in the activities of former CIA agent Edwin Wilson.

It doesn’t get any more Iran Contra-y than that.

In fact, their company was once even cited for chartering a Boeing 707 to the PLO, who used it to ship a load of weapons to the Sandinistas.

There were, presumably, red faces all around. Still, the level of international intrigue this caper attests to marks them as spooks extraordinaire.

Before moving on, we feel obliged to point out that the company on whose behalf the two men were signing: Argyle Capital. Remember Argyle Equities, the Texas investment firm with the big stake in SkyWay Aircraft's DC9 Cocaine One?

This is all no doubt just a coincidence.....

http://www.madcowprod.com/06202005.html



SECRET WORLD OF 9.11


June 21, 2005 -Venice, FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker



The MadCowMorningNews has learned exclusive new details about the gangland-style hit in Florida of Gus Boulis, whose murder figures prominently in lobbyist Jack Abramoff’s rise to power.

The 'secret world' of Jack Abramoff being probed by investigators today has definite connections and unmistakable links to the one inhabited during their final year in the U.S by Mohamed Atta and the other hijackers.

So as the scandal embroiling House Major Domo Tom Delay and Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff grows hotter, there may be new revelations about the 9.11 attack.

One of the most amazing thing about this most amazing scandal—hundreds of millions in slush funds beats Oval Office blowjobs by a mile—is that some of the same names in the Abramoff scandal also surface in connection with Mohamed Atta’s.

Less than a week before the 9.11 attack, for example, Atta and several other hijackers made a still-unexplained visit onboard one of Abramoff’s casino boats.

What were they doing there? No one knows.





Wrestling with alligators





There remains a strong suspicion that Atta’s terrorist cadre—supposedly unknown and friendless and burrowing into the woodwork—was able to call on the assistance, when necessary, of a friendly global network.

Could it be that this network is the same one being probed so gingerly today by investigators looking into Jack Abramoff?

What could a scandal involving Indian casinos and gambling boat “cruises to nowhere” & pay-for-play government officials have to do with the story of 19 hijackers planning a mass murder in supposed isolation in Florida?

Let’s take a look. .....

You are mistaken to think that anyone who wants the truth about the "dancing Israelis" story is anti-semitic. The episode is well-documented from various sources, yet it remains unexplained. It makes no difference what the country of origin was of the people involved. By focusing on the fact that they were "Israelis" and taking offense, you miss the significance of the story.

EXACTLY.


IT'S A NEOCON THING (meaning that mafia crime families have come together to creat a mafia one world order...mafia from Russian....Turkey....Israel...America...CIA...FBI....all working together).


Or as posted at another thread....http://www.alternet.org/rights/86653/



McMafia: The New Face of Organized Crime, By Sandip Roy, New America Media.



Q: "This sounds like the Wild West, where everyone's at each other's throats and then they all have a drink together afterwards.


What's important is not so much loyalty through clan and family, which was the old mafia model. Now loyalty comes through transactional trust, and whether this person helps you make money.





Q: What is the model of the new mafia?




It's more corporate, although very decentralized. What you have now are lots of little cells, shifting goods and services around the world.

In Colombia in the 1990s, both of the big cartels were decapitated. But the supply of cocaine to the United States didn't dry up. It is much more flexible.

The story is well-documented and not just from "racist sites".

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0622-05.htm