If we were allowed to treat Mormons in this country like gays are allowed to be treated you would be screaming persecution at the top of your lungs.

First off, Gods commandments say diddley squat about homosexuals!
In fact the whole BIBle says nothing about homosexuals...in fact "homosexual" wasn't even a word until 1892.

NOW what is your arguement?

imagine that, this so called man or woman of God tells you you are a deviant, is disgusted by you, and merely because of who you choose to love...and they cant see how that is the opposite of love, the opposite of good, the opposite of everything Jesus taught...

sad, really sad...

i really like it when a bunch of them get together and go protest somewhere like where gays are getting married, you will never see just one of them, always run around in herds.

Their "god" is a liar and the father of LIES and has them so seduced in the LIE, that they believe that he is really God, pathetic, really!
One day they will wake up...in the mean, and I mean, 'MEAN' time, they will criticize, then degrade, then protest, then torture and burn those who do NOT BELIEVE The way that they believe...just like some countries I've heard of that are ran by theocracies.

So was John before he got beheaded. OMG... that quote cracked me up I am not bagging on anyone's religion. I don't claim to understand anyone's religion, and never will. But I do enjoy a good religious and spiritual discussion.

Ok its like this guys.... there are not 10 commandments anymore ok... there is only one. Love your brother has you would yourself. It means be cool to one another, that is it. We couldn't even keep 10 commandments so Christ dummed it down to one, and that one is a bitch.

I have never been married so, every time I had sex it was sin, bummer. This maker of ours is sooo forgiving, so loving, I just can't believe how everyone makes him or her(who knows, you are not allowed to see him or her till it is your time) to be such a bust your balls butt-hole. I am straight, but I would never want to beat up, hurt, or do anything bad to someone who wants sausage, ok. I also don't want to be told I have to get married, or be barraged with gay stuff. I also don't want to be barraged with religious stuff, to much of anything is not a good thing. I am a rotten whore chasin, beer drinking, Harley ridin piece of crap, and I have a interactive relationship with this maker. Like I tell everyone, I am no longer a believer, I know the maker exists. So don't try to tell everyone what is right or wrong, we all have our own mistakes to be made, that is how we learn. I just hope we learn from our mistakes, then they will be worth it. I love talking to Mormons, they are fun. I like to blow their minds

We don't USE homosexuals. According to your religious BS, you don't want gays. Good!! You don't deserve their love anyway!!
You speak of intolerance towards YOUR brand of God, yet your group shows intolerance towards gays or anyone different. Secularists are much more hospitable/sympathetic toward gays than Christian organizations.

The thing is..that you have no proof for your religious basis. Until you do, you have no solid ground to stand on.

You want to talk bad about Secularists...have your God heal you instead of resorting to medical science.
Put your faith where your mouth is!!

For me, Gay marriage is an equal protection under the law issue. No one is demanding that churches or religious groups sanctify any civil marriage, gay or straight. The California decision only recognizes that the US and State Constitutions must guarantee equal rights and protections under law for everyone. I see no reason to change the laws defining civil marriage and consider all defense of marriage initiatives unconstitutional for that reason. To me, the solution is to strip ALL religious marriage rites of any legal standing in law so only civil marriages would be legal marriages. The religious rites can be performed as window dressing.

So, is it your belief then that in America every deviant minority group should have the right to "unamend" the consititution to legitimize their behavior? What about United Jaywalkers of America? Shouldn't they have the right to unamend the laws so jaywalking is legal? American Traffic Law Breakers?? Prosititutes United for Unpersecution??

One of our canonical Articles of Faith reads:

"We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."

The letter that was read to the Latter-day Saints in California was openly published in the media, there are no secrets about LDS opposition to the legitimizing of behavior considered by Christian churches to be sinful and immoral.

As I mentioned before, you have every right to your opinions and points of view. My opinion on your comments is that "the gay person" is a "full" person the same as everyone else, why shouldn't they be? Homosexuals take sexual pleasure with people of the same gender. People who do not engage in homosexual behavior also often have preferences as to various sexual behaviors/positions etc. with people of the opposite sex. Sexual behavior has nothing at all to do with being a person or a "full" person or whatever, it is only pertinent to the choice of physical behavior.

Many Christians believe that Jesus Christ will return in glory in the not distant future and will establish a theocracy on earth with Himself as the leader. I look forward to that thousand year Millennium of peace and righteousness. Today I am concerned about small groups of judges forcing their opinions upon the American people regardless of what the majority of the people want.

and, according to you, gays cant go to heaven but you can...

i dont know what to tell you, but that kind of conversation sounds like to 5 yr olds arguing over the ball...

I can't expect you to know anything about the history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints since its founding in 1830 but the Saints knew real persecution, even an extermination order from the governor of Missouri that in effect authorized raping, pillaging, etc. of the Saints and their being driven from their homes to make their way to what today is Utah. Joseph Smith, founder of the LDS Church, and his brother were murdered by a mob of 200 criminals backed by secular government.

It is my opinion that homosexuals today are not being persecuted in any way. They are the ones who are making all the noise trying to legitimize their abnormal sexual behavior, they are the ones trying to change the laws of the land.

I understand that some people in this forum see it differently, but that's how I see it.

Are you familiar with the Bible then? Perhaps we can get into an interesting conversation...

Actually, the scriptures have quite a few references to homosexual behavior, none of it favorable, and many more to the seriousness of sexual sin such as adultery and fornication and anything like unto it.

But why would God's commandments to His children matter to you at all? If there is a part of you that is not content with your lifestyle you could always choose to change and turn to Him.

So just out of curiousity, when did you chose to be heterosexual?

I never said I was disgusted by you, I said that I believe immoral behavior is sinful.

Deviancy is anything that deviates from the norm. Apparently only about 5% or less of the American population engages in homosexual behavior, so such behavior is clearly deviant from the norm in America. It's not a put down word, it's just a statement of fact.

Jesus taught that we are to love everyone. It's perfectly ok and normal for people to love others of the same gender. What is not ok in the eyes of God, as I believe, is when people regardless of whether or not they love each other engage in sexual activity outside of the bonds of matrimony.

Is there no moderation at all on this board?

what is the problem?

Well I can accept that. So what you're saying is that you would have no problem with my not renting a house to a Mormon couple because I don't like Mormons, or evicting them once I found out that they were Mormon. Or that if I found out that one of my employees was Mormon I could fire him or her because i don't want any of "those' working for me. I mean if it's a goose/gander kind of thing as far as you're concerned then at least it would be fair.

Good for them. Got problem with that. But your religious beliefs are your own and your eagerness to foist them on to the rest of us is the height of arrogance. What if the majority of Californians decide that they agree with the judges' decision and prop 8 goes down. You will accept the will of the majority, right?

The thing is, you can work this whole judical thing both ways. And you can do the same with the "will" of the majority. You know this as well as I do. What it really boils down to is who you agree with and who supports your positions at any given time. You claim to stand with the majority, but in reality you will stand with anyone who will support your relgious agenda and the establishment of your particular religious teachings as the law of the land. If the judges were ruling in your favor you'd be singing their praises and judicial activism would be the last of your concerns.

There isn't one. The last thing we want around here is a bunch of elitist activist moderators.

Okay, but first lets decide on which BIBLE we are going to use, since their are over 1200 of them and the interpretations change with the printer's religions.

As for having a content lifestyle... I only get discontent when religious folk push God out of His judgement seat and start dictating to everyone else how they should live. I also get a little upset, when those same religious folks try to tell me that I'm not happy and content, or that my lifestyle is not good.

Trust me, I'm a better person when I don't have a religious thumb pushing me down, and I'm a better person when I'm free to love the person I love.

PLEASE, if you can't make a righteous judgement, then leave it to GOD to judge me.

FYI my GOD is all about love
for my GOD is love
and in Love in perfect love
There is no fear.


Where is the tarter sauce?

Did it not dawn on you that Jesus could have been gay? Or some of his disciples?

I think that's pretty shitty to describe gays as deviants.

NORM???? What about a hetero couple with Downs Syndrome desiring to marry? Would you deny their wish and call them deviants?
Using God to justify hatred of gays is what this is really about. Didn't your God also create gays

This sounds so much like Hitler, it's not even funny!

You're totally right. But I guess we have to take the source into consideration.

Except to spew your intolerance.




As Barbara Bush told Al Franken: "I'm done with you!"

And your God that you claim to be the creator of all, didn't create "deviants"??

Ok I have the solution, for anyone that wishes to bash gays, they each get a purse and 10 paces, turn and swing away bitches.

As a former active member of the mormon church for the past 50 years I strongly believe that religion: particularity conservative churches such as the mormon church promotes fascism. The mormons is what I believe is the worst of the worst. They began first by convincing their members that they are the one and only true religion and how much better you were in your pre life to be born a mormon like myself or to become one. After arrogance comes bible teachings that the mass killings in the middle east were justified and being homosexual is the most evil someone can be. Along with the fascist mormon document call proclamation of the family, published in 1994 which condemns gay marriage and a woman's right to choose. it is of no surprise that the mormon church is launching another hate campaign against gays. Although there may be close to a million mormons in California only 20 to 30 percent are active, and will support this hate campaign. I believe the rest will see this like it is and will vote against it. Either way mormons will have little or no influence on the outcome of the amendment to bar equality in California.

Thank you and welcome!!!