BIG DISCLAIMER
I don't believe homosexuality is a choice. To say the least, it annoys me that people who say that it is a choice have no problem not believing gays (including me) and lesbians of all ages and backgrounds who based on their own lives and experiences say that it isn't. And the bigots always assume that even though it's not a choice for THEM cuz they are totally revolted by it and could never be gay themselves in a million years, other people apparently don't have similar hang-ups and need to be monitored. Which begs the question, could other people then in fact be wired differently? But this disclaimer is getting too long.

My question is this. If homosexuality was, in fact, simply a lifestyle choice which boiled down to choosing to have sex with your own gender rather than the opposite gender, what would be the problem with that? What kind of threat would that pose or negative impact would it have on the vast majority of folks for whom heterosex is what they want and so that's what they engage in?

Homosexuality is NO threat to true heterosexuality. IMO, it is the homophobes that are threatened because many(not all) of them have homosexual tendencies which they keep closeted.

great point

so what if someone wants to do this or that, as long as it aint hurtin nobody

Well then everyone would go to hell!

Well there is that

If homosexuality is indeed a choice, I would love to hear from those who make such claims about the time in their life when they made the choice "not to be gay." They should include descriptions of the attractive feelings they had for members of their own sex.

I don't care if it's a choice or not a choice. Whatever consenting adults want to do to each other, provided they don't prevent others from doing as they please, is fine with me.

I don't need some overzealous douche telling me that I can't sleep with my Spiderman jammies just because it irks THEM. I won't stand for people telling others how to live their lives because they feel weird about it. If you feel weird about something then don't do it; but don't make others stop just because you don't like it. Live your own god damned life and let everyone else live theirs.

My str8 male friends who are the most secure always say something like: "Hooray for gay men. More women for me." Any str8 guy who doesn't have that attitude is terrified that he is not as str8 as he should be.

You're right.

This "choice"/"born that way" argument is a false dilemma.

EVERY person is entitled to equal and civil rights.

Period. Choice or not is irrelevant.

I just can't imagine that being gay is a choice, because having to choose is damn difficult. I'm bi. Before I got married I dated (and yes slept with) women. I fell in love with my husband and we got married. He knows all about my past and even knew some of the women I was with. But I made a choice. I fell in love and chose to be married. I didn't have to, because of course I knew that marriage (at least in my heart) means monogamy. But I did.
I still love my husband very much after 13 years of marriage. However, no more then a few days go by where I don't feel a longing that can never be fulfilled. I'd imagine it will be that way for the rest of my life. Part of me is extremely satisfied, part of me is not. I can't imagine ever sleeping with a woman again, because while I think my husband would accept it I don't think my morals and my personal belief in what a marriage is would be destroyed forever.
So to be drawn to one sex and be told that you cannot be with that sex again, I just can't fathom the pain that would put someone through. At least I can be mostly satisfied. A gay person told they can never again have gay sex... well I think that would literally drive me insane.

Damn to late to edit.
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because while I think my husband would accept it I don't think I could. My morals and my personal belief in what a marriage is would be destroyed forever.

I try telling this to my mom all the time. What business is it of hers, yours, or mine? I really do not understand the nerve. Like Ive said before, I think its a major social problem. Its the one minority its ok to make jokes about. Its the one minority that its ok to use slurs. I have talked till blue in the face and its almost like they dont see them as people. Its scary. Hate, fear, are a strong force. I am hopeful in my moms case that fear is causing the hate. I would like to say that she would never claim to hate them, but actions speak louder that words.

Bigots hang on to the "choice" argument because without it their bigotry has no justification.

wheres the justification even if it were choice. still none of their business.

I didn't mean they were actually justified, I was talking about in their minds.

What I'm really trying to figure out here is even it it were a choice which, again, I don't believe it is, would there be any justification for condemning it that wasn't directly based on or at least firmly rooted in religious prejudice?

still cant think of any. Think the main problem would still be fear of the unkown or fear of those dif.

they would also play the "why cant we marry more than one person" card. And corps and ins sure still wont want to have to pay more people.

The polygamy and the whatever it's called when a woman has more than husband thing would make a good thread on its own. You're right about coporate American maybe not being too crazy about that idea. You're also right that the anti marriage equality folks would bring it up as part of the slippery slope approach that would eventually having us marrying our pets and our cars.


But I'll tell you what, if it looks like we're going to allow multiple partners within one marriage I'm headed for law school. That's one cash cow I'm not missing out on.

nice, what a nightmare divorce would be.

I've always said the guy in a group that yells "faggot" the loudest is one himself. By projecting his hatred, he thinks his friends won't know he'll enjoy my you know what in his you know where.

I don't know how true that actually is overall, but it seems to be backed up by my experience. The non-gay guys who seem most comfortable around me and around whom I am the most comfortable are the ones who seem to me to be the "straightest".

Its all about being real. Those that have this hate are not being real with even who they are. Seems a lot of conservitive people never actualy let the real them out. I ussualy find it very refreshing to be around openly gay people, they seem real in thier thoughts and actions, and less inhibited by social bs. Just my opinion. Also, I tend to be more real around them, guess its because I dont feel constantly judged. And yes, I take it as a compliment if hit on by a man. I am a married straight man, but its nice to be wanted.

Wait, wait... are you talking about freedom?

wow. We should be for that in america, right?

Dude. You shouldn't be throwing the "f" word around like that. They might hear you.

Sorry I misread it - thought it said:

So what if it were a chore?

Sorry, I'll get my glasses fixed...

It wouldn't affect me in any way, shape or form...and it shouldn't! How does what the couple down the street do affect my life? It doesn't! I don't get it...why are people so freaked out by what other people do or by who other people love? I'm sure there is a gay couple somewhere within 15 miles of my home. What they are doing at this very moment has no bearing on my life. Why are people so afraid?

First things first Tyo your sexual preference is only a part of who you are. Those that are bothered by it, to me, may be in doubt about their own sexuality. Knowing it was genetic would seem to me to relieve a lot of people who think they can catch it like a virus. Maybe the secret would be to invade the sex lives of those who scorn. LOL that is if you dare.

Your sexual preference doesn't bother me anymore than mine should bother you.

I think it's less a matter of fear than control; people despise what they cannot control. Personally, I find "homophobia" to be misnomer.

There are such atrocities being committed right this moment. Being gay really is probably if any, at the bottom of the totem pole. Like I have said to many people, I am not in charge, I don't make the rules. I just don't want the gay crap pushed on me, I don't want the religious stuff pushed on me, I don't want to have someone waving the flag in my face while stealing my government and life style. There are such bigger fish to fry, I would rather have a good gay man running the country than this bible thumping piece of shit. I do believe I am a Christian, and I try to be. I would rather hangout with bikers than politically correct people. On Sundays out riding my Harley, sometimes I see Jay Leno driving to the Rock Store, now that is cool.

You're right LibLaw, it's only a part of who I am. An integral one, but still a part. Problem is, it's the part that sends certain powerful political and religious forces off on a crusade to insure than I and my tribe are and remain second class citizens so it takes on more importance in a public and political way than it would otherwise. When you think about it, it's sad that we have a GLBT issues forum because there really shouldn't be any GLBT issues, only human issues.

Gay people are a threat because they make str8 people hate them,

kinda like women in certain nations have to wear a cloth over their head to keep men from lusting.

Or guns kill people, so ban guns.

Or pencils/keyboards write evil things, so the gov't should control them

or your dog bit me so I'm killing my neighbors cat.

Or I will burn down the building because I stubbed my toe on it's brick.

Or I hit the wall, so now my hand hurts, so tear down the wall.

Or a monkey slams it's tail in the door... that's a short tale.

What a coincidence.

We don't want your straights-only, straights-first shit shoved down our throats at every turn, so go stop your people from shoving it in our faces in every movie, every TV show, every song on the radio, every ad in the newspaper and TV, on the bus, on the street corners, even in gay bars.

Knock it off and quit your whining.

RandiLover? Is that you?







LOL!

No. It's way simpler then that. There are a plethora of "straight" men, whatever the hell that means, who are turned on by men and women, but they just can't fess up to the issue that they have, at one time or another, been turned on by two guys going at it. So they have to act out and be destruction. That's the problem. The hang ups of straight men.