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RealLiberal1
Is masturbation a sin or a natural reaction to sexual arousal???

If it is a sin, then why did your Creator give you hands and genitals??? laugh.gif
Seeker1
QUOTE (RealLiberal1 @ Jun 25 2008, 10:15 PM) *
Is masturbation a sin or a natural reaction to sexual arousal???

If it is a sin, then why did your Creator give you hands and genitals??? laugh.gif


You know, if you don't stop posting on this topic, you'll go blind.


Myoho
QUOTE (RealLiberal1 @ Jun 25 2008, 08:15 PM) *
Is masturbation a sin or a natural reaction to sexual arousal???

If it is a sin, then why did your Creator give you hands and genitals??? laugh.gif

Natural...

Rejecting the "Creator"...

Can the answer to your question be...

desire and attachment?
RealLiberal1
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jun 25 2008, 09:43 PM) *
You know, if you don't stop posting on this topic, you'll go blind.


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Seriously...I never did understand the whole thing about masturbation being so terrible or immoral.

Why should a man or woman abstain from this act when it is totally natural? I understand that habitually doing so would/could hinder your relationship with your lover.


Maiq
A sin I hope.

That's half the fun pope.gif spank.gif
RealLiberal1
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jun 25 2008, 09:43 PM) *
You know, if you don't stop posting on this topic, you'll go blind.



BTW......

Are there any Jewish texts/scriptures that forbid masturbation?
CWV
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jun 25 2008, 10:43 PM) *
You know, if you don't stop posting on this topic, you'll go blind.


Can I post just til I need glasses? cool.gif
pestone
QUOTE (CWV)
Can I post just til I need glasses? cool.gif

Where are my glasses?
RealLiberal1
QUOTE (CWV @ Jun 25 2008, 10:01 PM) *
Can I post just til I need glasses? cool.gif


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Seeker1
QUOTE (RealLiberal1 @ Jun 25 2008, 10:56 PM) *
BTW......

Are there any Jewish texts/scriptures that forbid masturbation?


Well... right in Genesis there is the warning to Onan not to spill his seed (onanism). Technically, though, some would say it's a warning against coitus interruptus, not masturbation. More importantly, I think the real thing it is warning Hebrews about is not to refuse the Levirate.

In Judaism, if your brother dies and his widow is without issue (children), you must marry her and impregnate her. The real reason Onan is struck dead is for refusing the Levirate responsibility.

P.S. this commandment has largely gone by the wayside.

I like my sisters in law, but my tastes in women are definitely not the same as my brothers.

EDIT: thought I'd add one of my fave Woody Allen quotes.
"Don't knock masturbation. It's sex with someone I love."

RealLiberal1
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jun 25 2008, 10:08 PM) *
EDIT: thought I'd add one of my fave Woody Allen quotes.
"Don't knock masturbation. It's sex with someone I love."



Good ole Woody! A true mensch to some, a sexual nut to others.
pestone
QUOTE (Seeker1)
Well... right in Genesis there is the warning to Onan not to spill his seed (onanism). Technically, though, some would say it's a warning against coitus interruptus, not masturbation. More importantly, I think the real thing it is warning Hebrews about is not to refuse the Levirate.


Wasn't Onan's sin that he wouldn't impregnate his barren wife's sister, since having sex with a barren woman was akin to "spilling his seed upon the ground?" I frame this as a question, as I am ignorant of the Testaments, and read of this interpretation in a novel. A character was holding forth on the Onan story. Please feel free to call BS on this or not.


Seeker1
QUOTE (pestone @ Jun 25 2008, 11:25 PM) *
Wasn't Onan's sin that he wouldn't impregnate his barren wife's sister, since having sex with a barren woman was akin to "spilling his seed upon the ground?" I frame this as a question, as I am ignorant of the Testaments, and read of this interpretation in a novel. A character was holding forth on the Onan story. Please feel free to call BS on this or not.


Like I said, in Judaism, you had the Levirate obligation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levirate_marriage

Onan went halfway; he slept with his brother's widow like the Levirate obligation demands, it's just that he refused to impregnate her and engaged in coitus interruptus instead.







jkun17
God put the hand nearly level with the genitals to tempt us, because he is both inefficient and fond of entrapment. Yay god.
LibLaw
QUOTE (RealLiberal1 @ Jun 25 2008, 10:15 PM) *
Is masturbation a sin or a natural reaction to sexual arousal???

If it is a sin, then why did your Creator give you hands and genitals??? laugh.gif


This came to mind biggrin.gif . Sorry rolleyes.gif
GCurry
As someone raised Catholic, I was taught the "sin" side of it. Basically their position was:
(1) the only purpose of sex is procreation
(2) there is no such thing as enough procreation
(3) you'd only frustrate God's plan (by masturbating) if you didn't love God enough
(4) HELL™, etc
Viewer
QUOTE (RealLiberal1 @ Jun 25 2008, 09:56 PM) *
BTW......

Are there any Jewish texts/scriptures that forbid masturbation?
In addition to Seeker's coments, fwiw, a traditional perspective on many issues is that just because it is natural impulse or common desire, does not mean it is something someone should do. That relates to a whole range of issues.
CowboySteve
When three or more people do it, it's called a staff meeting.
NamelessGenXer
No brainer... masturbation is a cure for what ails you.

PS: Life is way-y-y-y-y-y more fun when you are free from the guilt, fear and shame inflicted on humans by the man-made "gods" of religion and their ludicrous dogma of sexuality as sin.

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Deke
This is a perplexing situation concerning Masturbation being a sin.
I suggest contacting Tony Perkins and James Dobson.



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Tyo
I'd like to go on record here as supporting marriage equality for masturbaters.
CowboySteve
QUOTE (Deke @ Jun 26 2008, 08:06 AM) *
This is a perplexing situation concerning Masturbation being a sin.
I suggest contacting Tony Perkins and James Dobson.


Um - they're in a "private meeting" with the FabRevTed.
Viewer
QUOTE (Tyo @ Jun 26 2008, 09:17 AM) *
I'd like to go on record here as supporting marriage equality for masturbaters.
If marriage is only to promote families, than they should not have equal rights, and neither should older women.

I wouldn't oppose some limited rights for them, however.
CowboySteve
QUOTE (Tyo @ Jun 26 2008, 08:17 AM) *
I'd like to go on record here as supporting marriage equality for masturbaters.


Masturbation Control means using both hands!

LibLaw
QUOTE (CowboySteve @ Jun 26 2008, 10:31 AM) *

Masturbation Control means using both hands!

You use both hands? At the same time?
Alildotonearth
QUOTE (RealLiberal1 @ Jun 25 2008, 10:15 PM) *
Is masturbation a sin or a natural reaction to sexual arousal???

If it is a sin, then why did your Creator give you hands and genitals??? laugh.gif


Stop abusing your tools. Are you a Whitehouse employee or what ? Masterbation is not absolutely essential in my world. In men, I have been told, that when the lil swimmers get old, they are reprocessed as protein. No, I am not going there with those protein jokes.
Hannibal
Masturbation is not a sin, but a symptom. Lust, on the other hand ...
Tyo
QUOTE (LibLaw @ Jun 26 2008, 10:01 AM) *
You use both hands? At the same time?


Ahh... some of us don't have a choice.
Stoon
I'll approach this from a pseudo-scientific approach. Bonobos masturbate, and so do budgies. If animals masturbate, it is a natural imperative instead of an uniquely human action, therefore it's not a sin.
GCurry
QUOTE (Stoon @ Jun 26 2008, 10:50 AM) *
I'll approach this from a pseudo-scientific approach. Bonobos masturbate, and so do budgies. If animals masturbate, it is a natural imperative instead of an uniquely human action, therefore it's not a sin.

They also steal, commit adultery, probably lie and kill also. I suspect a good many of the Ten Commandments are prohibitions against survival adaptations. smile.gif
rowdyroddypiper
a onesome is the only kind of some I get, please dont let it be wrong
Wayne
QUOTE
If it is a sin, then why did your Creator give you hands and genitals??? laugh.gif


The Creator has a very twisted sense of humor




Fellixe
QUOTE (Stoon @ Jun 26 2008, 10:50 AM) *
I'll approach this from a pseudo-scientific approach. Bonobos masturbate, and so do budgies. If animals masturbate, it is a natural imperative instead of an uniquely human action, therefore it's not a sin.

I'll remember to begin with that argument if I ever wind up on trial for flinging poo at someone.
jkun17
And god put man into a box full of razor blades and said, "If you cut yourself, I'm going to fucking kill you forever."
RealLiberal1
QUOTE (Fellixe @ Jun 26 2008, 02:24 PM) *
I'll remember to begin with that argument if I ever wind up on trial for flinging poo at someone.



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DougfromVancouver
I wonder when this present SCOTUS will bann masturbation because it is a sin. Guess it will be a 5 to 4 decision.
LibLaw
Some say lust likes it's a bad thing. But a good man can always keep it in hand.
CowboySteve
QUOTE (GCurry @ Jun 26 2008, 12:18 PM) *
They (animals) also steal, commit adultery, probably lie and kill also. I suspect a good many of the Ten Commandments are prohibitions against survival adaptations. smile.gif


But they do not keep firearms in the home. They are, after all, somewhat intelligent.
CowboySteve
QUOTE (CWV @ Jun 25 2008, 09:01 PM) *
Can I post just til I need glasses? cool.gif
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plodder
If God had intended us not to masturbate he would've made our arms shorter.

carlin
jkun17
QUOTE (plodder @ Jun 27 2008, 05:26 PM) *
If God had intended us not to masturbate he would've made our arms shorter.

carlin

and cover our hands with sand paper
zemo
I can't do an exact quote or tell you where it is exactly.
But it is called "wasting a man's seed" in Genesis.

So let's get wasted.
martsmart
QUOTE (plodder @ Jun 27 2008, 05:26 PM) *
If God had intended us not to masturbate he would've made our arms shorter.

carlin



I don't know, George...

If God HAD wanted us to masturbate, he wouldn't have told all those different religions to practice circumcision, clitoridectomy, etc...

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LilaTheGreat
QUOTE (pestone @ Jun 25 2008, 10:03 PM) *
Where are my glasses?
With harry palms....Pestone feels around until he finds his GlassAss'!
RealLiberal1
QUOTE (Hannibal @ Jun 26 2008, 12:15 PM) *
Masturbation is not a sin, but a symptom. Lust, on the other hand ...


What's the point of masturbation if there is no lust? Could a person masturbate while viewing...an electric bill(example)...fantasizing about how many kilowatt hours used?

How does lust differ from sexual fantasy?


LibLaw
QUOTE (RealLiberal1 @ Jun 28 2008, 05:14 PM) *
What's the point of masturbation if there is no lust? Could a person masturbate while viewing...an electric bill(example)...fantasizing about how many kilowatt hours used?

How does lust differ from sexual fantasy?


Depends on how many little toys those kilos powered...hmmmmmmmm cool.gif
LilaTheGreat
QUOTE (RealLiberal1 @ Jun 28 2008, 04:14 PM) *
What's the point of masturbation if there is no lust? Could a person masturbate while viewing...an electric bill(example)...fantasizing about how many kilowatt hours used?

How does lust differ from sexual fantasy?

On the other hand.... biggrin.gif

there is sexual frustration and release.

A History Teacher (college) told how in some cultures, the parent will masterbate a child as a form of pacification, until the child is old enough to do the job his/herself.
RealLiberal1
QUOTE (LilaTheGreat @ Jun 28 2008, 05:44 PM) *
On the other hand.... biggrin.gif

there is sexual frustration and release.

A History Teacher (college) told how in some cultures, the parent will masterbate a child as a form of pacification, until the child is old enough to do the job his/herself.


So tell me....how does an adult masturbate and gratify themselves without sexual fantasy or lust? How can one do this without thinking about sex?

Is this how priests maintain themselves? Or are they lying?
LilaTheGreat
QUOTE (RealLiberal1 @ Jun 28 2008, 05:56 PM) *
So tell me....how does an adult masturbate and gratify themselves without sexual fantasy or lust? How can one do this without thinking about sex?

Is this how priests maintain themselves? Or are they lying?
I would figure that the human mind is strong enough to accomplish any task.
LibLaw
QUOTE (LilaTheGreat @ Jun 28 2008, 06:44 PM) *
On the other hand.... biggrin.gif

there is sexual frustration and release.

A History Teacher (college) told how in some cultures, the parent will masterbate a child as a form of pacification, until the child is old enough to do the job his/herself.


History is full of these tails. oops tales... tongue.gif


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Moment in Masturbation History: Buzzing a Cure in the late 1800s
Introduction of the Vibrator to Treat “Hysteria”
The electromechanical vibrator, possibly one of masturbation’s best friends, was initially introduced in the late 1800s as a device used by physicians to treat female “hysteria”. This “condition” was originally thought to be related to an excess of sexual tension, and the treatment was to provide vulva massage to a female patient until she experienced a “release”. Electric vibrators offered physicians a fast and effective way to “treat” the many symptoms of hysteria. When they began appearing in early porn loops, they fell out of favor with the medical establishment, but found a new home in sex stores around the world.
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