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Morgan
Who’s Trashing Our American Skies, And Why?
Thursday, April 24, 2008 by: Christopher Gussa

(NaturalNews) A large local TV Station (KSLA - Shreveport, LA) had the courage to take on chemtrails. See story here http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=7339345&nav=0RY5 ... This attracted the attention of Los Angeles network affiliate, “KNBC” which aired a report entitled, "Toxic Sky?", see video here (http://www.knbc.com/video/9265818/detail.html) .

Someone once said (And I am sure they were right), “You can find just about anything you want on the internet”. There are, of course, endless websites on the internet about chemtrails. I assume most of them are 75-100% factual. However, you can’t help but let some speculation be a part of this "so hard to believe, so concealed in its facts, and yet so right-in-your-face” undeniable subject.

In 1993, Dr. Shyh-Ching Lo, senior researcher at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, patented several virulent strains of mycoplasma. He stated in his own patents that they cause chronic fatigue syndrome. The Institute is currently reconstructing the 1918 Spanish Flu, inserting it into contemporary flu strains and enhancing its lethality. The Spanish Flu killed 675,000 Americans in the 1918-1919 interval. Many of the dead were vaccinated soldiers. Anyone born after 1918 has no immunity to the Spanish Flu.

According to one credible source, there is a sub rosa project known as 'Cloverleaf' that uses domestic air carriers retrofitted with special tanks to spray civilian populations with a variety of chemicals. This retired government scientist goes on to say that reconstructed versions of the flu could be inserted into vaccines along with a more benign strain of the inoculum in order to slow the progression of its more deadly component. Chemicals in the "chemtrails" reported nationwide over the preceding decade, may assist the viral envelope to fuse with lung cells, guaranteeing ease of penetration and infection. People will pass along the flu to others and then start dropping like flies. This will cause a panic demand for more flu shots, thus accelerating the cycle. Persons not so inoculated will be blamed for spreading the disease.

"The CIA front, Evergreen Air, located at Pinal Air Park in Marana, Arizona is a longtime CIA/NSA secret facility for more than 40 years. This is the prime modification center that modifies a wide range of aircraft types to conduct the covert “chemtrail” spray operations that began in 1998.

Prior to this, selected areas of the U.S. had Chemtrail operations to test all the technology employed in these Chemtrail operations and to determine the operating parameters related to aircraft performance envelopes and optimum atmospheric conditions. Once this was accomplished, the nationwide program began and is being conducted under more than one program code name. The two names most often discussed are “Operation Clover Leaf” and “Operation Rain Dance”.

Within months of the operation over the United States, Chemtrail spray operations began over wide parts of dozens of countries with the most notable exception being China.

Some thoughts from Christopher Gussa, “The Herb Doc”, about Chemtrails and the “Conspiracy Theory”:

I live “just down the road” (about 50 miles) from the Pinal Air Park in Tucson/Marana and I have seen these aircraft in action way too much to deny they are doing anything less than spraying away at us! I also have personally heard from our local MDs that their flu business is always up after a major spraying. Yes, It is very, very real and it does major harm to our health.

So why aren't the major news media networks having a hay day with this? (The short answer is, "Big Pharma is their sponsor".) Chemtrails need to be brought up on local TV news shows (Everyone is always willing to look at the evils of our government) and then finally forced onto the major media networks. (As KSLA in Shreveport did.) It needs to quit being an “internet only” subject. The problem with the whole subject of Chemtrails as presented on many websites is that everyone looks at you like you are one of “Them” when you bring it up... One of those “Paranoid Loonies”. If you look at the speculation of why this chemtrail thing is going on, it’s always reasons like: “It’s 80% population decrease”, “It’s the Illuminati with Henry Kissinger at the helm -- Kill the useless eaters”, and ”They are secretly controlling our minds”. Even if this is all true (which it may be in part), you are not going to hold anyone’s attention except the choir’s.

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BTW...STOP calling it "Chemtrails". It's the Military's Aerosol Spraying Program, also called Weather Modification and Mitigation Program or Weather Warfare Research Program.

The ultimate proof of Chemtrails
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9KLLqEL96Y

German Meteorologist Sue the Military for using Chemtrails
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVEC4uj0T8s...feature=related

Weatherman discusses CHEMTRAILS and MILITARY Jamming RADAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT2EAP_fARI...feature=related
Seeker1
Once again, if "they" want to give Americans the Spanish flu, why release it at high altitude where it will dissipate before it reaches the ground?

Why not just release it in the water supply, or at ground level?


socrates
In the first paragraph, the writer made his first mistake. The KNBC Moyer report was put out well before the Ferrell KSLA one.

Chemtrail websites are 75-100% factual? Not even close. A lot of that rubbish can be read about in the chemtrails are not kooky section of the forum in my signature.

The author is simply promoting the most outrageous theories for why we get chemtrailed. While I agree that the US military and other entities have done very bad things, such as with the Tuskagee Airmen being given syphilis. There was an MK-Ultra program. There are over a million innocent Iraqis dead due to an illegal war.

Now just because I think the chemtrails are mostly attempts to control climate change, block out uv-b rays, etc., that doesn't mean I am endorsing such Frankensteinian nonsense. The reason why the program is not well-known in the mainstream except for a few newscasts such as those mentioned above, is because of social and legal implications.

The disinfo is put out there so fence-sitters and newbies will be given a reason to believe that the excessive weather modification going on is the result of all aircraft. Hence, the psy-op is that chemtrails are contrails, that they are a result of an increase in air traffic. The ptb's simply do not want people to understand that there are logical explanations for why the chemtrailing is going on. Thus the disinfo gets piled on heavy everywhere this subject is mentioned. This is about cranking up the noise to signal ratio 101.

The author wrote that a credible source revealed a program called Cloverleaf. I am saying there is not one credible piece of evidence that there is such a program. But there are institutions such as the NOAA, NASA, the USAF, the Navy, and weather modification associations that are for real. They may not sound as sexy as Cloverleaf or depopulation or mind control or any other kind of rubbish theory concerning chemtrails, but they certainly take the sincere reader closer to the truth.

So from this article we are led to believe that Big Pharma is behind the chemtrails. That's called a strawman. Then the closed-minded debunkers can show up and reinforce the movement away from the realistic explanations. On multiple occasions debunkers show up like clockwork and start framing chemmies as being paranoid loons who believe we are being sprayed like bugs, as if that is the rationale behind the dispersals.

Morgan
QUOTE (socrates @ Jun 26 2008, 01:31 PM) *
In the first paragraph, the writer made his first mistake. The KNBC Moyer report was put out well before the Ferrell KSLA one.

Chemtrail websites are 75-100% factual? Not even close. A lot of that rubbish can be read about in the chemtrails are not kooky section of the forum in my signature.

The author is simply promoting the most outrageous theories for why we get chemtrailed. While I agree that the US military and other entities have done very bad things, such as with the Tuskagee Airmen being given syphilis. There was an MK-Ultra program. There are over a million innocent Iraqis dead due to an illegal war.

Now just because I think the chemtrails are mostly attempts to control climate change, block out uv-b rays, etc., that doesn't mean I am endorsing such Frankensteinian nonsense. The reason why the program is not well-known in the mainstream except for a few newscasts such as those mentioned above, is because of social and legal implications.

The disinfo is put out there so fence-sitters and newbies will be given a reason to believe that the excessive weather modification going on is the result of all aircraft. Hence, the psy-op is that chemtrails are contrails, that they are a result of an increase in air traffic. The ptb's simply do not want people to understand that there are logical explanations for why the chemtrailing is going on. Thus the disinfo gets piled on heavy everywhere this subject is mentioned. This is about cranking up the noise to signal ratio 101.

The author wrote that a credible source revealed a program called Cloverleaf. I am saying there is not one credible piece of evidence that there is such a program. But there are institutions such as the NOAA, NASA, the USAF, the Navy, and weather modification associations that are for real. They may not sound as sexy as Cloverleaf or depopulation or mind control or any other kind of rubbish theory concerning chemtrails, but they certainly take the sincere reader closer to the truth.

So from this article we are led to believe that Big Pharma is behind the chemtrails. That's called a strawman. Then the closed-minded debunkers can show up and reinforce the movement away from the realistic explanations. On multiple occasions debunkers show up like clockwork and start framing chemmies as being paranoid loons who believe we are being sprayed like bugs, as if that is the rationale behind the dispersals.


You still aren't doing your homework, Socrates. This one article of thousands. You don't even turn the page, dude. Man..you must delight over 'all things superficial'.. It makes yor position all the stronger if your reader is lazy.

You claim there isn't any credible evidence??? Sure, when you don't go and read it...you can say you've found no evidence.

COME ON..that's just lame. Paranoid loons? When you won't read the LAB REPORTS? When you won't follow up on some real research? Your opinion is meaningless.
Morgan
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jun 26 2008, 09:32 AM) *
Once again, if "they" want to give Americans the Spanish flu, why release it at high altitude where it will dissipate before it reaches the ground?

Why not just release it in the water supply, or at ground level?


Look..this one means of delivery. I think GMO Food will do the job at a cheaper rate than spraying. But it would be one way to rapidly 'douse' the masses.

Did you know that every major city has blackhawks fully prepared to douse the public with sedatives? Even Rumsfeld was caught on C-Span(as I recall) saying this is their backup recourse for civil unrest.

There are so many programs many of you here have no clue is going on. You choose to believe you live in a safe, protected USA...yet you see these changes around you happening so fast you just shut down automatically.. reset -> denial.

I am coming to this board in a nonpartisan position because I am trying to warn people. I have no motives other than to help my fellow brothers and sisters protect themselves through awareness.

There are Americans all over the country that risk their lives to report information on the internet because no corporate media would be allowed to report it. It really is disturbing when I see this and then I see these obviously dumbed-downed responses. Not only that, but a complete refusal to hit the link and read on.

Most of you take a half-approach to most everything. What you are reading here requires a little more than superficial glances. You need to really look at the lab reports, you need to understand that these heavy metals and chemicals exceed EPA standards/limits....and because of people like Socrates...who misleads the public...I can't imagine why he woudl do this...we're talking about ecological destruction on a mass scale..and human health and lives.

The military has been experimenting on Americans for decades...and there's always people in the crowd who flatly deny the release of declassified files proving it. Yet, nobody wants to believe in such heinous acts. Americans believe their military is honorable. But I'm not talking about the 'stand alone' military that isn't involved directly with corporate profits(i.e. military industrial complex contractors).

When I bring up documentation drafted by the Bilderbergs, Committee of 300, Club of Rome, Council of Foreign Relations, North American Union & Triumvirate, NAFTA Rail & Highway, GMO food, Pharma profiteers... I am trying to get people to 'shift the lense' and look again. What may have been explained to you by the corporate media is only what they want you to know. Sometimes, they want you to know the truth..but then you later find out why they wanted you to believe them, so later you would continue to believe them, even though they're lying to you. It's classic. But most people like their 'comfort zone', so most people don't know what's really happening.

Most people feel overwhelmed by the 'requirements', which are...you have to invest more time in the research to get the entire picture. People like me have been doing so for many years.
Seeker1
QUOTE (Morgan @ Jun 26 2008, 03:10 PM) *
Look..this one means of delivery.


It doesn't seem very effective. First off, releasing micro-organisms at a very high altitude, where it's cold and there's little oxygen, will probably just kill them.


Morgan
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jun 26 2008, 03:23 PM) *
It doesn't seem very effective. First off, releasing micro-organisms at a very high altitude, where it's cold and there's little oxygen, will probably just kill them.


They aren't limiting 'the dump' to high altitudes. I've seen them with my own eyes coming out of the airport, barely 1000 ft up and start spraying up -up -up and across my horizon, then turn South at about 10,000 ft heading for NewYork.

They don't even get high enough to create 'contrails'.

Please go to http://www.californiaskywatch.com and see Rosalyn Peterson's research. Also, http://www.arizonaskywatch.com has several FOIA documents...

KEEP LOOKING UP. We've been watching this nefarious group for many yrs. We've become so attuned to the sky in its natural vs. unnatural state, I feel like I'm an Eskimo, defining all the varieties of snow.
jkun17
Why not just release it into the water supply, where it's stable, can definately survive, infect thousands in days and practically disappear without anyone knowing about it.

Oh right, that wouldn't fit very well in into your wild ramblings.
Morgan
QUOTE (jkun17 @ Jun 26 2008, 09:06 PM) *
Why not just release it into the water supply, where it's stable, can definately survive, infect thousands in days and practically disappear without anyone knowing about it.

Oh right, that wouldn't fit very well in into your wild ramblings.


EPA Scientists Admit They Are Poisoning/Medicating Tap Water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAasMtT411E

They're already working on that project. Evidently, privatized water compan ies are redigging all the street lines and laying small pipes with separate valves leading into each residency in California. Oh, did I mention California is trying to outlaw spring water bottles?

Embedded in the U.S. Patriot Act is a section --"The Expansion of the Biological Weapons Statute"-- which is authorizing a mass depopulation program, which will be deployed against pre-selected citizens of this country. This video contains the details of this project

We Are Not Safe
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=52...N3hBQ&hl=en
bushwa
QUOTE (Morgan @ Jul 6 2008, 07:08 PM) *
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They're already working on that project. Evidently, privatized water compan ies are redigging all the street lines and laying small pipes with separate valves leading into each residency in California. Oh, did I mention California is trying to outlaw spring water bottles?
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Oh, dear. As a Californian, I'm grateful to learn the explanation for all that night time digging going on.

But seriously, I guess you're going to have to define what you mean by "privatized water companies." Most of them, and certainly the largest, are in fact public agencies. And in California, the vast majority get much of their water from the behemoth "Metropolitan Water District." The MWD steals much of their water largely from the Colorado River, and the San Joaquin Bay/Delta in the Sacramento area, but that's for another debate.

There's little doubt this is an agency with a dark and sinister past and present. For those who do not know, the Robert Towne classic "China Town" was by and large a dramatized version of the truth of the MWD and our dark history of thieving water barons.

The MWD supplies water to the overwhelming majority of smaller water agencies in Southern and central California, virtually all of which are also public agencies. And many of them supplement their MWD supplies with local groundwater supplies.

I can confirm the system you describe "small pipes with separate valves leading into each residency in California" already exists! Aiyieie! Indeed, I can personally testify that, in front of my house there is a large below-ground water supply pipe, and in fact there really IS a smaller pipe feeding off of that one that includes a on/off valve, and from there it then connects to a pipe that feeds EVERY LAST FAUCET AND BATH/SHOWER HEAD AND TOILET IN MY HOUSE!

We call it the water supply. I'm curious to know how other homes in other states connect to a municipal, county or private agency water supply? Have they worked out a way to do it through the cable TV?

There is, in more progressive areas - like my own, an effort to connect homes and businesses to a second water system. This water is exclusive to landscaping uses, as it provides a form of gray water,. That is, waste water pumped into local treatment plants that is cleaned to a degree less stringent than that required of drinking water.

It is supplied through a dedicated system, recognizable because literally all of the supply pipes and valves and sprinkler heads are a distinctive purple/violet color. There is actually a simultaneous effort underway to educate the homeless population, reminding them that water coming out of purple faucets, sprinklers heads and such is not potable water.

In my city all landscaping on municipal properties, including parks, street islands, city buildings, the libraries, fire and police stations, and so on, is watered with gray water. The system is also provided for the largest land owning businesses in the city, and to all state and county properties in the city, including even the landscaped right of ways on freeways that pass through the area.

The city is about 60% of the way through the process of piping every residential street in the city, but that's moving at a slower pace because the improvement waits until other repairs/upgrades are made on each street. It's extremely expensive to virtually duplicate an existing infrastructure system from scratch. When it's completed, and for the cost of installing a second valve and supply line, every residence will be permitted to hook into the system without additional or monthly charge. But again, the purple pipes are connected only to landscaping supply lines, not household water pipes.

I know the city of Los Angeles also has a similar system just getting underway. I also know of individual homeowners who have set up gray water systems on their own property. The water from the sink, showers and washing machine is used to water the lawn and wash the car.

Perhaps this is the kernel of truth in the otherwise preposterous, and absurdly expensive conspiracy you seem to believe is real.

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As for illegal bottles, I am familiar with THIS proposal, to ban the production of water bottles and baby bottles made with Bisphenol A. Funny, in that I've also seen conspiracy theorists out there charge that bottles made with Bisphenol A is part of a nationwide plan to kill us all. Damned if they do and damned if they don't, I guess.

On the other hand, there IS a major move to put an end to the now ubiquitous water bottle, which would be just dandy with me. I don't know how much time you spend in the otherwise pristine forests and streams of where ever you live, but I know that I am very tired of spending hours on the trout streams of the Sequoia National Forest and constantly coming across water bottles left by those hiking and fishing before me. Of course, given how long it takes the bottles to break down, it's hard to know whether the litter-bugs are a day in front of me, or passed by 5 years earlier.

As an aside, picking these up as I trundle along may have saved my life once. With a pack filled to over flowing with bottles tossed by careless woodland visitors, I once slipped off of a gigantic boulder and plunged to an all but certain death on the rocks below. Instead, I landed on the pack full of bottles and walked away unscathed. So perhaps there IS a positive aspect to the damned things.

About 10-15 years ago California also imposed some rather draconian state laws on counties and municipalities, compelling them to reduce by certain percentages the amount of waste they dump into landfills. (I believe a 50% reduction was the first benchmark successfully reached about five years ago, and we're now closing in on the 85% benchmark, with more to come after that.) And water bottles - even though they're sold with a recycling charge and returnable deposit, have proved to be a major wrench in the works for some agencies that were previously doing well on reduction efforts. With San Francisco leading the way, efforts to ban single-use water bottles and plastic bags have been gaining steam, and I support them 100%.

Indeed, many municipalities are distributing free to every household reusable water bottles (that are NOT made with Bisphenol A), and encouraging people to use those filled with tap water rather than continuing to litter the state with more plastic water bottles. The concerns are two-fold: The absurd increase in bottles filling landfill, and the amount of petroleum used in the production of the bottles, and in transporting them. Indeed, at the recent US Conference of Mayors, the dark forces did vote to advocate a nationwide ban on water bottles
I SUPPOSE one can decide this is all part of the big plot. The trouble is, doing so requires pretending that there is not in fact real damage being done on several fronts by the proliferation of water bottles.

Finally, you should be aware of the studies done that have analyzed bottled water and found that, in many cases, it presents risks not found in that tap water you're afraid of. Among them is the NRDC's study, but that's only one of many.

There are localities where, because of groundwater pollution or similar factors, concern about tap water is rational. My community found it had a problem with hexavalent chromium and chromium VI, thanks to the reckless and irresponsible actions of a defense contractor who spent about 45 years dumping deadly chemicals into soil, toxics that migrated for miles beneath the San Fernando Valley. This led to shutting down the wells affected by these toxics, establishment of a testing process literally weekly on all remaining wells, and a greater reliance on supplies from the previously mentioned MWD.

But when the crisis hit our city, in addition to testing water supplies at outlets citywide, a couple of council members also came up with the idea of simultaneously testing the water people were flocking to, the water folks were buying off the shelf, and receiving through conventional firms like Sparkletts, and all similar services licensed to operate in the city. The test results of those bottled water suppliers were even more dramatic than those reported by the NRDC.

Lastly, to my knowledge the most prominent group advocating hysteria and dire concern over efforts to poison America via drinking water are those good folks at the John Birch Society. More than 'nuff said.
Morgan
bushwa..or should i call your carmen? The research and specs were evidence enough. You understand neither.

Go ahead, drink up. It's a free country, right. But you wouldn't have to worry..not yet anyway. Why? Because you are totally brainwashed..so you're safe.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Morgan @ Jul 6 2008, 10:53 PM) *
bushwa..or should i call your carmen?


Nope, you should not call him carmen.

You should call me Carmen.

How's that berkeley water filtration system working for ya these days?
Morgan
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 7 2008, 01:57 AM) *
Nope, you should not call him carmen.

You should call me Carmen.

How's that berkeley water filtration system working for ya these days?


You're fast...'like hangin out up in the trees, waiting to swoop down' fast.

Hey...he's a Carmen. I have primo well water, baby.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Morgan @ Jul 6 2008, 10:59 PM) *
You're fast...'like hangin out up in the trees, waiting to swoop down' fast.

Hey...he's a Carmen.


Err, yeah.

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carmenjonze
QUOTE (Morgan @ Jul 6 2008, 10:59 PM) *
You're fast...'like hangin out up in the trees, waiting to swoop down' fast.


Totally incoherent.
bushwa
QUOTE (Morgan @ Jul 6 2008, 10:59 PM) *
...I have primo well water, baby.



Uh, yeah. We MAY have come up with an explanation here.

But, listen, you just work on protecting those precious bodily fluids from the "international conspiracy to sap and impurify" them.

Morgan
Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?
Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for mysterious 'colony collapse' of bees
By Geoffrey Lean and Harriet Shawcross
Sunday, 15 April 2007
LINK

Close...yet not quite. The scientists are not allowed to bring up the topic, "US Military Aerosol Spraying Programs" or US Military Weather Warfare" or "US Military Weather Mitigation/Modification". even when it's unclassified and considered research. The problem is, it really is NOT unclassified. Only hidden from view. So clever, they have such a way with legalese.

Scientists know the stuff the bee keepers are spraying in those hives are not causing the strange disappearances problem. SUDDEN means they suddenly get lost, or they suddenly die...like a heart attack. If they were being slowly poison by antibiotics, pesticides or fungicides, there would be a slower die off rate.

Soooo..they turn their focus to bees getting hit with a sudden pulse of microwaves....hmmm...maybe there's still hope. If they talked to Ham Operators about HAARP, they realize the research has wrecked havoc on communications all over the globe. Then maybe they'd start putting 2+2 together...just like they did when they realized the Navy was fucking with the dolphin's navigation ability...or worse, making noises so unbearable, the dolphins would suddenly beach themselves.

The Weather Warfare/Modification Programs ARE REAL. But the govt has successfully 'mind controlled' the population into believing they are the kindly sheep herders...tra-la-la-la.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Morgan @ Jul 7 2008, 04:34 PM) *
But the govt has successfully 'mind controlled' the population into believing they are the kindly sheep herders...tra-la-la-la.


Hey look! A list of "programmers", complete with the entire hierarchy of the Temple of Set, whee!!

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/programmers.htm

I love the internet. It has everything!
Morgan
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 8 2008, 12:52 AM) *
Hey look! A list of "programmers", complete with the entire hierarchy of the Temple of Set, whee!!

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/programmers.htm

I love the internet. It has everything!


Carmen...you think you got it all wrapped up. You think you know what's going on, but you don't. You live in a comfortable delusion. It's not that you're stupid, I don't believe that...but at a subconscious level, you know there's nothing that can be done unless it's en masse. But you isolate more than unify, so it's obvious you've already given up. Instead, you'd rather ridicule anybody's else's attempt to educate and inspire change.

You don't do us any good.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Morgan @ Jul 8 2008, 09:52 AM) *
Carmen...you think you got it all wrapped up. You think you


Friend, you don't know the first thing about me.

QUOTE
You don't do us any good.


Who is "us"? Nutballs and CTs running around trying to convince everyone the sky is falling?

Hopefully, you're right. I don't want to have anything to do with that.
Morgan
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 8 2008, 07:49 PM) *
Friend, you don't know the first thing about me.
Who is "us"? Nutballs and CTs running around trying to convince everyone the sky is falling?
Hopefully, you're right. I don't want to have anything to do with that.


Oh but I do know you...you've been around these boards for...let's see...5 years? Though I'll admit you're doing better...filing those nails really does help.

US..is the USA. US..is humanity. I don't have to convince you. I am not here for you. I am posting this for people who would be willing to check it out. I don't have to put my heart and soul into this. The facts speak for themselves.

The point is, you've made up your mind. You're unreachable. So why don't you take a hike. You've made your point.

Is it so easy to discredit someone with comments like "nutballs"...when you don't even do the research or look at the lab results? Shit, you wouldnt even recognize a 'persistant trail' from a contrail.

You don't have a clue.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Morgan @ Jul 9 2008, 01:33 PM) *
Oh but I do know you...you've been around these boards for...let's see...5 years?


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Though I'll admit you're doing better...filing those nails really does help.


Whatever that meant.

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US..is the USA. US..is humanity. I don't have to convince you. I am not here for you. I am posting this for people who would be willing to check it out. I don't have to put my heart and soul into this. The facts speak for themselves.


Then what are you fretting about my posts for?

Who cares what I say or don't say?



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The point is, you've made up your mind. You're unreachable.


No, I'm just not a candidate for conversion to whacko theories posited as "the truth".

Been there done that, fella.
who
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 10 2008, 04:41 AM) *
4



Whatever that meant.



Then what are you fretting about my posts for?

Who cares what I say or don't say?





No, I'm just not a candidate for conversion to whacko theories posited as "the truth".

Been there done that, fella.


Compulsive hecklers usually wind up getting 86'd. Morgan's right.


carmenjonze
QUOTE (who @ Jul 10 2008, 02:03 AM) *
Compulsive hecklers usually wind up getting 86'd. Morgan's right.


Nah, Morgan's just as full of crap as you are.
Morgan
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 10 2008, 01:34 PM) *
Nah, Morgan's just as full of crap as you are.


The point is Carmen..I have submitted legitimate evidence such as Congressional Legislation, Laboratory Analysis and Test Results, Media Exposes, Video and Image examples and Whistleblower testimonies.

You, and others, can do is call me "Nutballs". Now, I think you're smarter than that...yet, you are constantly letting me down.

I've been watching this 'weather mitigation programs for several years. I KNOW it's happening and because I KNOW it's true...I am compelled to tell you. I must, because this effects the people I love and the people I've never met who have families and loved ones who are being poisoned, little by little, by these military aerosol programs.

I'm not calling you a "nutball". But I am calling you 'conditioned through mind control'. Unless, of course, you are working for the US Govt 'propaganda agency' and know full well what these programs are doing to the American People.

Carmen...have you ever discovered heinous and nefarious crimes done to innocent victims by the US Govt? Of course you have. So why is it so impossible to imagine a 'Weather Warfare/Weather Modification Program being experimented on the American People?

Also...take it a step further. Can you imagine the Banking Families funding such heinous "research" projects? Especially if those projects will produce legislation which will require citizens to pay taxes for something they aren't producing? The Banks stand to make TRILLIONS from this worldwide operation. These new taxes will permit the UN/US Govt to enter your home and assess your carbon footprint...they will be able to invade your privacy by tracking everything you buy, too. Your bank acct will be tracked, your credit card purchases will be tracked..etc. This is one of the most important reasons we're are being spied on, our accts are going into a database, and a profiled history is being assessed.

I have researched this conspiracy to the point that is leads straight to 'eugenics think tanks', pharma and carbon taxation for banks. It's horrendous. These sick people really do believe in depopulation. They consider most human groups worthless, "useless eaters". They believe the Earth will need to lose 2/3 of its population in order to maintain eco-balance. They have created maps and NGOs to decide regions that need to be cleared. Forcing citizens into high pop. density areas...leaving the rest, wilderness. They intend to have this done by 2020.

Carmen...Look up. Watch your skies every day. Watch the 'white dust' being swept in the wind. Compare and contrast those beautiful puffy white clouds with 'persistant trails' which morph into expaning maisma fog. Notice how your local meteorologist gets most of his/her predictions all wrong...even within 24 hrs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc0TWVtozio...feature=related
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Morgan @ Jul 10 2008, 05:10 PM) *
The point is Carmen..I have submitted legitimate evidence such as Congressional Legislation, Laboratory Analysis and Test Results, Media Exposes, Video and Image examples and Whistleblower testimonies.

You, and others, can do is call me "Nutballs". Now, I think you're smarter than that...yet, you are constantly letting me down.

I've been watching this 'weather mitigation programs for several years. I KNOW it's happening and because I KNOW it's true...I am compelled to tell you.


I am compelled to reject your truth claims.

And so it goes.

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I must, because this effects the people I love and the people I've never met who have families and loved ones who are being poisoned, little by little, by these military aerosol programs.

I'm not calling you a "nutball". But I am calling you 'conditioned through mind control'.


My handler would tell you otherwise.

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Unless, of course, you are working for the US Govt 'propaganda agency' and know full well what these programs are doing to the American People.


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OMG...this is why I love coming to this forum. And you wonder why people laugh you out of the room.

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Carmen...


What?

Cripes.

QUOTE
have you ever discovered heinous and nefarious crimes done to innocent victims by the US Govt? Of course you have. So why is it so impossible to imagine a 'Weather Warfare/Weather Modification Program being experimented on the American People?


Same old truther-style b.s. argument -- where is your PROOF that this what is happening.

One can imagne all manner of things till the cows come home.

QUOTE
Also...take it a step further. Can you imagine the Banking Families funding such heinous "research" projects? Especially if those projects will produce legislation which will require citizens to pay taxes for something they aren't producing? The Banks stand to make TRILLIONS from this worldwide operation. These new taxes will permit the UN/US Govt to enter your home and assess your carbon footprint...they will be able to invade your privacy by tracking everything you buy, too. Your bank acct will be tracked, your credit card purchases will be tracked..etc. This is one of the most important reasons we're are being spied on, our accts are going into a database, and a profiled history is being assessed.

I have researched this conspiracy to the point that is leads straight to 'eugenics think tanks', pharma and carbon taxation for banks. It's horrendous. These sick people really do believe in depopulation. They consider most human groups worthless, "useless eaters". They believe the Earth will need to lose 2/3 of its population in order to maintain eco-balance. They have created maps and NGOs to decide regions that need to be cleared. Forcing citizens into high pop. density areas...leaving the rest, wilderness. They intend to have this done by 2020.

Carmen...Look up. Watch your skies every day. Watch the 'white dust' being swept in the wind. Compare and contrast those beautiful puffy white clouds with 'persistant trails' which morph into expaning maisma fog. Notice how your local meteorologist gets most of his/her predictions all wrong...even within 24 hrs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc0TWVtozio...feature=related


Haven't I already said I'm not a candidate for conversion to crackpot CT?

Go evangelize someone who's more gullible, cuz you're getting nowhere with this.
Morgan
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 10 2008, 10:39 PM) *
I am compelled to reject your truth claims.

And so it goes.



My handler would tell you otherwise.



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OMG...this is why I love coming to this forum. And you wonder why people laugh you out of the room.



What?

Cripes.



Same old truther-style b.s. argument -- where is your PROOF that this what is happening.

One can imagne all manner of things till the cows come home.



Haven't I already said I'm not a candidate for conversion to crackpot CT?

Go evangelize someone who's more gullible, cuz you're getting nowhere with this.

You tell me you want proof? Yet you won't do the work? Have you follow the leads, have you watch the videos? Have you even looked at the pictures?

Carmen..it is YOU who needs to go someplace else. You've said your "NOTHING". You're helping no one. If you're not a candidate...then why don't you leave? You're either interested and want to know more or you say your piece and leave.

What do you get out of staying here and harrassing me?
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Morgan @ Jul 10 2008, 09:09 PM) *
You tell me you want proof? Yet you won't do the work? Have you follow the leads, have you watch the videos? Have you even looked at the pictures?

Carmen..it is YOU who needs to go someplace else. You've said your "NOTHING". You're helping no one. If you're not a candidate...then why don't you leave? You're either interested and want to know more or you say your piece and leave.


Keep dreamin'.

You seem to be good at it.

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What do you get out of staying here and harrassing me?


I think you're cute.
Morgan


Yesterday, the skies above me were laden with heavy spraying. They started early in the morning. By the time I got out of the house, driving through the countryside...up in the hills, I could see the sky was mostly 'persistent trails'..I saw 6 different tankers spraying at about 15,000-20,000 ft. PISSED ME OFF.

The peak spraying times are either early morning or mid afternoon. They start early in the morning because they can lay a thick blanket of the stuff out before people hit the road in the AM. By the time people are leaving fo work, the sky has already become miasma fog...once they have the 'fog coating', they can spray all day. Once that fog is up, they can weave in and out and keep it going.

The skies yesterday were worse than these 'trails' in the following video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9KLLqEL96Y




Morgan
CHEMTRAILS TIMELINE

1962 - 2008

by William Thomas



CHEMTRAILS CONFIRMED

book excerpts

by William Thomas




Morgan
See...if I were a meteorologist, I'd be pretty pissed off, because the US Military's Aerosol Spraying Programs would always be messing up my weather predictions. So many countless times our local weather meteorologists have predicted rain...and no rain comes. Lots of clouds, but no rain. Or vices versa...they predict a sunny clear day and all we see that day is miasma fog(white haze).

The "SHAFE", which is a word used for 'chemical and heavy metal particulates by this news channel, meteorologist totally ruined his presentation... The heavy metals being sprayed on us can obstruct water vapor radar....

see what I mean in this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc0TWVtozio...feature=related
Morgan
Global Warming: The Quick Fix Is In
Pat Mooney | February 20, 2007
Editor: John Feffer, IRC
Foreign Policy In Focus www.fpif.org

Hopes for the Kyoto Protocol are fading, and carbon trading is a farce. To arrest climate change, industrialized states can either "bite the bullet" and adopt socially responsible policies to dramatically cut fossil fuel use and useless consumption. Or they can hope for a "silver bullet"—some new techno-fix that might let them continue to pollute and avoid human extinction. The silver bullet may be winning.

At the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the U.S. government is lobbying for "geoengineering" activities such as deliberately polluting the stratosphere to deflect sunlight and lower temperatures. At least nine national governments and the European Union (EU) have supported experiments to spread iron filings on the ocean surface to nurture plankton and sequester carbon dioxide. At least a dozen additional countries are involved in the modification of stratospheric weather. Commercial carbon traders are engaging in ocean fertilization as well. This experimentation by governments and corporations is taking place in the absence of public discussion.

Global warming demonstrates that we have already geoengineered the earth's climate. However, the notion that we can successfully correct our unintentional destructiveness with intentional geoengineering seems far-fetched. For the governments who caused the problem to experiment together on geoengineering solutions is a grave miscalculation. To do so outside the UN and without the participation of the Global South, which bears the brunt of global warming and would likely bear the risks of geoengineering, is politically and ethically suspect.

continued....

Our children are now even being taught this aerial obscuration concept in our schools. In the level one science book, "Essential Interactions" by Centre Point Learning, Inc., a photo of a jet is titled "Particle Air" and has the caption "Jet engines running on richer fuel would add particles to the atmosphere to create a sunscreen". This is in the section titled "5.19 Case Study: Solutions for Global Warming". In the same section they also show a picture of a helicopter dumping iron into the ocean as a way to mitigate global warming, as we mentioned earlier.

Centre Pointe Learning, Inc.
5.17 Inquiry Investigation: Environmental Models
5.18 The Carbon Cycle
5.19 Case Study: Solutions for Global Warming
5.20 Case Study

I can't find a .pdf of the text book, but it's in there. Here's someone else who has found it:

CENTRE POINT SCIENCE TEXTBOOK TEACHES KIDS TO ACCEPT CHEMTRAILS
http://www.willthomas.net/chemtrails/Artic..._US_Schools.htm
carmenjonze
Who in the sam hill is "Will Thomas"?
Morgan
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 13 2008, 04:52 AM) *
Who in the sam hill is "Will Thomas"?


It doesn't really matter, Carmen. I could have worked hard at collecting all the research, with sources and created a similar TIMELINE.

You should thank him for his work. Seems somebody really cares about your butt.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Morgan @ Jul 13 2008, 10:08 AM) *
It doesn't really matter, Carmen. I could have worked hard at collecting all the research, with sources and created a similar TIMELINE.

You should thank him for his work. Seems somebody really cares about your butt.


Aww, well that's very sweet.

Chasing away the eeeeeeeevil Illuminati, just for my sake.

How can I ever thank him.
Morgan
Proved: There is no climate crisis
Written by Robert Ferguson
Tuesday, 15 July 2008

WASHINGTON - Mathematical proof that there is no “climate crisis” appears today in a major, peer-reviewed paper in Physics and Society, a learned journal of the 10,000-strong American Physical Society, SPPI reports.

Christopher Monckton, who once advised Margaret Thatcher, demonstrates via 30 equations that computer models used by the UN’s climate panel (IPCC) were pre-programmed with overstated values for the three variables whose product is “climate sensitivity” (temperature increase in response to greenhouse-gas increase), resulting in a 500-2000% overstatement of CO2’s effect on temperature in the IPCC’s latest climate assessment report, published in 2007.


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Global warming could stop NATURALLY for ten years,' say scientists
01 May 2008
UK MAIL
Global warming will be "put on hold" over the next decade because of natural climate variations, scientists claim.

A study of sea temperature changes predicts a lull as traditional climate cycles cancel out the heating effect of greenhouse gases from pollution.

The findings suggest the official models used to predict short-term global warming patterns are too crude.

more...


The Mystery of Global Warming's Missing Heat
by Richard Harris
NPR, Morning Edition, March 19, 2008

Some 3,000 scientific robots that are plying the ocean have sent home a puzzling message. These diving instruments suggest that the oceans have not warmed up at all over the past four or five years. That could mean global warming has taken a breather. Or it could mean scientists aren't quite understanding what their robots are telling them.

LINK
Morgan
Cooling of Atmosphere Due to CO2 Emission

Authors: G. V. Chilingar a; L. F. Khilyuk a; O. G. Sorokhtin b
Affiliations:
a) Rudolf W. Gunnerman Energy and Environment Laboratory, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California, USA
b)Institute of Oceanology of Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow, Russia

Abstract
The writers investigated the effect of CO2 emission on the temperature of atmosphere. Computations based on the adiabatic theory of greenhouse effect show that increasing CO2 concentration in the atmosphere results in cooling rather than warming of the Earth's atmosphere.
carmenjonze
Where's the stuff on activated charcoal and the crop circles?

That's much more entertaining.
Seeker1
QUOTE (Morgan @ Jul 17 2008, 01:27 AM) *
Cooling of Atmosphere Due to CO2 Emission

Authors: G. V. Chilingar a; L. F. Khilyuk a; O. G. Sorokhtin b
Affiliations:
a) Rudolf W. Gunnerman Energy and Environment Laboratory, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California, USA
b)Institute of Oceanology of Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow, Russia

Abstract
The writers investigated the effect of CO2 emission on the temperature of atmosphere. Computations based on the adiabatic theory of greenhouse effect show that increasing CO2 concentration in the atmosphere results in cooling rather than warming of the Earth's atmosphere.


Pssst... Morgan .... the "global warming is a hoax" thread is somewhere else, not here.


Morgan
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jul 17 2008, 09:02 AM) *
Pssst... Morgan .... the "global warming is a hoax" thread is somewhere else, not here.



This applies to the whole US Military Aerosol Spraying Weather Modification Program, Seeker. If you really read the material I've posted you'd figure that out without question. I can also include HAARP information on this thread...some their programs are in partnership.

Why should I catagorize this information so others can't make that connection? Wouldn't you prefer to know how it all fits together?
Tabula-rosa
If they were to read it & fully comprehend, they couldn't play troll games w/ people who are aware of the ongoing geo-engineering via aerosol emissions.

And if the government could pull off the Tuskege Experiment, COINTELPRO, MK-Ultra, Project Naomi, Project SHAD, et cetera, etc, why couldn't they do something besides geo-engineering w/ aerosol emissions, & the ELF from HAARP, the Ionospheric Heater? Tesla's technology+.

MIHOP : LIHOP?




Tabula-rosa
What in the hell happened to my links?

Tabula-rosa
Thats a bunch of BS!

Why can't I attach a gawdamned link?

I didn't attach a freakin' link this time, I just typed the URL. What gives?

http://www.eastlundscience.com
http://www.carnicom.com
http://www.chenier.com
http://weatherwars.info
http://www.bariumblues.com
http://www.chemtrails911.com

"Behind the ostensible government sit enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsiblity to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul this unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of statesmanship today." - Teddy Roosevelt-1906
Tabula-rosa
http://www.cheniere.org
Morgan
Thanks Tabula Rosa. I think I'll alert others to meet the RhodesWarriors. It's time to get this moving, before America let's Congress makes even more mistakes.

People...the corporate media has done you more harm than you can imagine. This is the Age of Revealing. It's message is too strong for even the propaganda machines.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Morgan @ Jul 17 2008, 03:26 PM) *
This is the Age of Revealing.


Whatever happened to the Age of Aquarius?

I think I much prefer that.





Morgan
Evidence doesn't bare out alarmist claims of global warming
Andrew Bolt
July 18, 2008 12:00am
Herald Sun, AU

THESE are the seven graphs that should make the Rudd Government feel sick.

These are the seven graphs that should make you ask: What? Has global warming now stopped?

Look for yourself. They show that the world hasn't warmed for a decade, and has even cooled for several years.


Click for larger image

Sea ice now isn't melting, but spreading. The seas have not just stopped rising, but started to fall.

Nor is the weather getting wilder. Cyclones, as well as tornadoes and hurricanes, aren't increasing and the rain in Australia hasn't stopped falling.

What's more, the slight warming we saw over the century until 1998 still makes the world no hotter today than it was 1000 years ago.

In fact, it's even a bit cooler. So, dude, where's my global warming?

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Morgan
EPA silences employees
Agency orders officials not to speak with investigators or press.

From the Associated Press
July 29, 2008

WASHINGTON -- The Environmental Protection Agency is telling its pollution enforcement officials not to talk with congressional investigators, reporters and even the agency's own inspector general, according to an internal e-mail provided to The Associated Press.

The June 16 message instructs 11 managers in the EPA's Office of Enforcement and Compliance Assurance, the branch of the agency charged with making sure environmental laws are followed, to remind their staff members to keep quiet.

"If you are contacted directly by the IG's office or GAO requesting information of any kind . . . please do not respond to questions or make any statements," reads the e-mail—28—7—gag—order.pdf sent by Robbi Farrell, the division's chief of staff. Instead, staff members should forward inquiries to a designated EPA representative, the memo says.

Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility obtained the e-mail and provided it to the AP. The group is a nonprofit alliance of local, state and federal professionals. Its Web site carries the slogan, "Protecting Employees Who Protect Our Environment."

Jeff Ruch, its executive director, said Monday the e-mail reinforces a "bunker mentality" within EPA under the Bush administration.

"The clear intention behind this move is to chill the cubicles by suppressing any uncontrolled information," said Ruch.

more...
Morgan
'Chemtrails' conspiracy: Shasta board to talk about jets' metal dumping
By Ryan Sabalow (Contact)
Tuesday, August 5, 2008

A conspiracy theory that says government agencies are using jets to dump poisonous heavy metals into the atmosphere moves today from the realm of late-night talk radio call-in shows to the Shasta County supervisors chambers.

LINK


Philip Jones' Open Letter to the Danish Government

I am writing to you regarding the unprovoked Chemical Attacks being leveled against the people of Denmark and around the world by the International Industrial Military Complex.

I do not intend to write at length here as experience has shown that when dealing with Danish Officialdom, it is usually a total waste of time to do so as response is usually not forthcoming. Suffice to say that if you are not aware of the true nature of these attacks on innocent civilians, then it is your duty to investigate the matter. If you are aware and do realise that the chemical and metal bi products contained in these` Air Dispersed` Chemtrails contain Barium, which is lethal and toxic to all known life.

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