LibLaw
Jun 27 2008, 03:14 AM
I never thought I could envision no ice at the North Pole, but it's reality.
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The disappearance of the Arctic sea ice, making it possible to reach the Pole sailing in a boat through open water, would be one of the most dramatic – and worrying – examples of the impact of global warming on the planet. Scientists say the ice at 90 degrees north may well have melted away by the summer.
"From the viewpoint of science, the North Pole is just another point on the globe, but symbolically it is hugely important. There is supposed to be ice at the North Pole, not open water," said Mark Serreze of the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/c...ole-855406.html
AjaxMinoan
Aug 21 2008, 09:55 AM
My friends, these enviro-whackos want you to believe that the ice is retreating; when just the opposite is true. If you look at the evidence, ice is advancing all over. Last year, the floor on my ice box had nothing put plastic except a little ice at the back - now it's moved from there; completely engulfed an old bag of fishsticks, and is posing a threat to the spot where I stick my ice cream.
rocas511
Aug 21 2008, 12:10 PM
QUOTE (AjaxMinoan @ Aug 21 2008, 10:36 AM)
My friends, these enviro-whackos want you to believe that the ice is retreating; when just the opposite is true. If you look at the evidence, ice is advancing all over. Last year, the floor on my ice box had nothing put plastic except a little ice at the back - now it's moved from there; completely engulfed an old bag of fishsticks, and is posing a threat to the spot where I stick my ice cream.
Ice is not advancing, but bullshit from right wing blowhards certainly is.
LibLaw
Aug 21 2008, 12:29 PM
QUOTE (rocas511 @ Aug 21 2008, 12:51 PM)
Ice is not advancing, but bullshit from right wing blowhards certainly is.
I just consider the source ...LOL
LibLaw
Aug 21 2008, 12:35 PM
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BARROW, Alaska — It's not that easy for hundreds of outsiders to suddenly sneak up on Barrow, considering how the northernmost town in the United States has neither a port nor a road to help them get here. Newcomers pretty much have to arrive on a big noisy plane.
Which is why nearly everyone in this historic Inupiat community was surprised last fall when they woke up to find about 400 German tourists walking around town. How the heck did they get here?
They came the short way, sailing from Europe via the suddenly ice-free Canadian Arctic after the fabled Northwest Passage opened completely last summer for the first time in recorded history.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stor...E4?OpenDocument
AjaxMinoan
Aug 22 2008, 01:54 AM
I know some conservatives that really are good people, but one of them hears me lament about the melting arctic ice. He brings up an article about Greenland and how ice there is actually gaining. He finds the article, but it says basically Greenland isn't melting as fast as previously thought. Still melting though.
Ignoring his own error he acts like he caught me, because I told how the arctic ice is melting faster now than ever. I try to tell him to google Arctic Ocean, and see what articles he will find. He won't do it, but instead will only discuss the article he frist heard about on some conservative radio show.
The same article that he described so poorly.
I even brought up the new waterway disputes between Canada and Russia, as a result of the new waters opened by the melting. It does no good.
The most grave crisis is with the ocean ice, but I can't explain that to him. You try to talk about how ice reflects heat, and that water absorbs it; he'll act like I'm just grasping. It really is frusterating.
carmenjonze
Aug 22 2008, 01:55 AM
QUOTE (AjaxMinoan @ Aug 21 2008, 11:35 PM)
I know some conservatives that really are good people,
LOL name one.
LibLaw
Aug 22 2008, 02:09 AM
QUOTE (AjaxMinoan @ Aug 22 2008, 02:35 AM)
It really is frusterating.
Conservatives are like that.
LibLaw
Aug 22 2008, 11:32 AM
QUOTE (RitaAnn @ Aug 22 2008, 10:26 AM)
some times you have to get their attention first.