Keep in mind folks, the RW is the favored Wing of the MSM, and the losers that control them. So while it's perfectly normal to question Mcrazy and his Military record, they will feign indignance to it. So Gen. Clark called him out on his bullshit, and now they will attack Gen. Clark, but he can take it, he's been shot four times, engaged the enemy eye to eye, etc. They really don't want to impugne him, but they will, because they are all idiots.

Amazing to hear Randi go on so long and be so wrong. Every one is calling her on this and she is oblivious. Randi is saying that Clark is swift boating MKKKain. How? Is Clark lying? No. Swiftboating means that you are making up lies. Clark praised Mkkkain for about 5 minutes and it was Schieffer who brought up being shot down. Clark was responding to him. Randi is saying that Clark went on the show for the 'express purpose of swiftboating Mkkkain'. Wow. Randi just dead wrong. Amazing. I hope she comes to her senses soon.
Look at Kos or DU. There is a post of veterans responding to Clark's comments. 100% for Clark. So Randi is going on about this and no veterans agree with her. Is she reading anyone's comments about this?
It is embarrassing to me to hear her go on like this.
Oh I forgot, there are quotes of Mkkkain on ThinkProgress saying that military experience is not required to be president. So Mkkkain himself agrees with Clark. Oh, Randi, please be quiet now.

Here Here!!! I was going to vote "bad day", but I'm listening to here right now and she is even more out of touch today than yesterday. WTF?????



Peace

Almost sounds like Randi resents she wasn't in "active" duty?

So Clark takes one for the team, and Randi takes the high road. No big woop.

I suggest people go to the Face The Nation website and watch the tape themselves. Clark wasn't swift-boating anyone. My father dove off the USS Wasp into burning oil in WWII. That CERTAINLY didn't make him qualified for the job of Commander in Chief!

Let it go Randi. Clark SHOULDN'T apologize for NOTHING!!! Wes Clark is what, a FIVE STAR GENERAL? John McCain's goons are going to say WORSE about Obama just wait. I think it's time the democrats give the republican a tatse of their own shit!!!. And who did John McCain turn to to run his "Truth Squad"? One of the Swift Boaters. WTF you think they got up their sleeves for Obama? F*** them.

Thank you so much for articulating something that I was unable to do.
Camp

That having been in the military does not make someone qualified to be president is exactly what Gen. Clark said.

Randi's right though...

Clark's statements aren't helping.

Would have been better if he would have talked more about Obama's qualifications, knowledge of and support for the military.

That would have been VASTLY more helpful than what he did.

Now we all gotta spend time hearing about this rather than what Obama wants to talk about now.

She's right but she was going overboard..looks like she''s back on right track.

Love you Randi

This is good now..change of subject

oh oh spoke to fast

But we have to remember something. If anybody says anything that sounds even remotely critical of McCain in any way, it's going to be all over the "news". McCain's the choice of the "news" media.

Good point

Why he said it and why it needed to be said. The can was already open.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/...-to-rudys-9.php

During his first primary election the issue of carpetbagger came up as he had just moved to Arizona the year before. When confronted, McCain responded with...



His defense du jour "I'm a POW ..." a replay of what has worked for him in the past, has already been used several times, in one form or another. during the past weeks in defending himself against Obama. I was surprised to see him use it so soon as it is his strongest suit. When responding to Obama's criticism of McCain's lack of support for the GI bill, McCain responded



pushing the "inexperienced" moniker on Obama. McCain's implication that Obama's lack of lack of service, disqualifies him from questioning his judgment on military issues, is silly, elitist, reveals a disdain for Obama's candidacy and does nothing to forward the discussion.

I agree! Gen. Clark was responding to Schieffer and repeating was had just been said.
Thanks!
Kathy

Clark did NOT say McCrazy's service was the wrong type of service. Pay attention the whole clip Randi!

Just my thoughts; this guy's killing her!

Randi has NO F****** IDEA what Wes Clark intened to do.

How much longer is she going to talk about this? Gen. Clark didn't say that McCain's service was the wrong kind of service. He just said that that service doesn't make McCain qualified to be president. Coult we move on, please?

Certainly looking that way. I heard one bubblehead say today that McCain is merely evolving - NOT flip-flopping all over the place.

Now I see the cable news is trying to say Obama is a flip-flopper. But I have confidence Obama will maneuver correctly through this. He has ALL the people behind him. McCain does not.

Also, we have to keep linking Grandpa to Bush because they are joined at the hip. That's a fact.

I hate to say it but I think she's wrong on this. I also think that Obama should have said yeah so what? He said what he believes, so what? It would have been case closed. The mistake here was Obama taking the "I don't condone" road. What's wrong with fighting bullshit with the facts, or even better, putting the facts out there for the country to chew on? Shrub was treated with kid gloves in the military and so was Mcrazy, until he got captured, then the gloves were off, and now he didn't show up to vote for fellow veterans benefits. They are both the same, children of privilege, acting like they're not, and I say bullshit.

Because of the people jumping on Clark's comments it will now be impossible to question anything about McCrazy! I fully expect just stating that McCrazy graduated close to the bottom of his class to cause a similar uproar. Thanks to all of the media people who have just made Teflon John even more untouchable.

Is it okay to ask why the McCrazy's haven't paid their property taxes or is that "SwiftBoating" too?

Whatever he said/did not say... intened/not intend to do...

It's not what Obama wanted and is off-message.

I cant understand Randi's disconnect with reality on this issue. I thought that perhaps a news cycle passing would allow her to modify her thoughts and feelings on the comments made by Gen. Clark in response to direct questions and, imo, un-journalistic opining by the moderator.

Unfortunately, after listening to Randi again today, especially in the context of Clarks appearance with Dan Abrams on MSNBC last night explaining context, and all the other thoughtful responses by a great many of us here on the board, I dont understand what she is thinking. Let alone why she is so rabid about it. If her overall point was that it was bad timing, or politically a bad step at this point, or factually incorrect, or anything rational, I could understand it. But I am not hearing anything from Randi that supports any of those possible arguments.

In my opinion, as some others have already said here better than I, General Clark statements were the following:

Intellectually sound
Factually correct
Morally just
Politically/Strategically necessarry

And most of all, were in direct response to Bob Schaeffer's questions and comments which I DONT THINK CLARK KNEW WERE GOING TO BE MADE IN ADVANCE!!

RANDI- DO YOU BELIEVE THAT CLARK KNEW HE WAS GOING TO BE ASKED THAT BY SCHAEFFER???

DO YOU THINK SCHAEFFER WAS GOING TO DUMB DOWN THE ISSUE BY MAKE THE ABSOLUTELY IDIOTIC OVER THE TOP STATEMENT ABOUT OBAMA'S NOT HAVING BEEN A FIGHTER PILOT AND BEING SHOT DOWN??

DO YOU THINK THAT McCain SHOULD BE AllOWED TO INFLATE HIS CREDENTIALS AS BEING THE BETTER COMMANDER IN CHIEF BY INVOKING HIS MILITARY SERVICE EVEN IF THAT SERVICE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SKILLS NEEDED FOR THE JOB????

Please tell me why we are allowing Clarks statements to be dumbed down.


Peace

I'm with you. Enough already. Why is she giving this airtime? The more this gets talked about, the more it's gonna take on "Jeremiah Wright" status. Obama will get blamed for this, too. Let this go.

They are only allowed to criticise the dems, and make up shit about us, and we come back with facts they ignore them, and us. That's a fact...

Watch the media make Obama jump. They did with rev wright, his chruch, and now Wes Clark.

I agree, but I think they (the right) would still have spun this faster than a spider on Meth. Its what they do and they are desperate.

Still, while I don't agree with Randi on this one, she's entitled to her opinion on what she thinks was said. I think Clark was merely answering a question, I don't see where he said McCain's service was the wrong kind (although Clark is Army and McCain is Navy so it could be hidden in there somewhere).

I am ready to move on though. Can we at least move on even if the rest of the world can't?

Thank you "trouble..." and she has repeated it so much, that I will listen to her in a year or so. For the present, I see that she no longer does her research and therefore she is no longer a help to me who in the past have "sourced" her in the past for important facts.

Goodbye "board friends"

Camp

RM-- Thankfully I think we're moving on!!! BTW, I think you may be onto something with the Army/Navy thing. Rivalries tend to grow deep, especially in football!!!

Camp-- we don't always agree, that's why we're Democrats, think Will Rogers. He said if the democrats agreed on everything, they'd be republicans. After 8 posts you're gonna throw in the towel? C'mon, stick around.

" a spider on meth"???

One mistake and your gone? You do realize she's always insisted we look things up for ourselves right? You were never supposed to take what she said at face value, you always were supposed to check on it and make sure.

Its an opinion and she is entitled to one.

It was all I could come up with at the moment!

Settle down...must be your wet dream for you!

True. I guess this too shall pass.

Camp, gone for a year because of this? Nah, you'll be back. I turned her off and on already today

After thinking about this overnight, and watching the growing conversation about Clarkes comments, I think it was a very important strategic by the Obama campaign. Yes, I said it. Somebody had to put a chip in the McCains teflon coating. It had to be done soon, and it had to be someone with war creds. End of story. You watch. The outcome of this will not be negatives on Obama, or even on Clarke after the dust settles. The result of Clarke's statement (heroic in imo because of the possible affects on his politically future) will be to cause a deeper vetting of McCains "commander in chief" creds by everybody, including republicans.

Peace

Randi needs to move on to the fact that McCain is either a gianormous flip-flopper or senile. Why else would he vote against legislation he wrote?

She's quoting Andrew Shepherd

YES YES YES I LOVE IT

Come November, this will all be forgotten, we'll be talking about how Barrack farted in the gym and stunk up the place and it had to be evacuated. Relax peeps.

Good points. It's almost as if Randi is going along with dummy'd down version of what swift boating is.

She's right on politics but she's fallin gfor the language trap IMO.

Worst part is saying Clark intended to say what he said.

Here's the transcript. You'll notice how Clark doesn't make this "controversial" comment off the cuff. He is reacting to how Bob Schieffer is framing Barack Obama's comparative inexperiences to McCain. Schieffer then uses the opportunity to bring up the point of McCain being shot down as a qualifier to be president as a sort of icing on the cake comment to finish the framework of Obama's inexperience.

Bob Schieffer: Well you, you went so far as to say that you thought John McCain was, quote, and these are your words, "untested and untried," And I must say I, I had to read that twice, because you're talking about somebody who was a prisoner of war. He was a squadron commander of the largest squadron in the Navy. He's been on the Senate Armed Services Committee for lo these many years. How can you say that John McCain is un- untested and untried? General?

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Because in the matters of national security policy making, it's a matter of understanding risk. It's a matter of gauging your opponents, and it's a matter of being held accountable. John McCain's never done any of that in his official positions. I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in Armed Forces as a prisoner of war. He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility. That large squadron in Air- in the Navy that he commanded, it wasn't a wartime squadron. He hasn't been there and ordered the bombs to fall. He hasn't seen what it's like when diplomats come in and say, 'I don't know whether we're going to be able to get this point through or not. Do you want to take the risk? What about your reputation? How do we handle it-'

Bob Schieffer: Well-

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: ' -it publicly.' He hasn't made those calls, Bob.

Bob Schieffer: Well, well, General, maybe-

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: So-

Bob Schieffer: Could I just interrupt you. If-

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Sure.

Bob Schieffer: I have to say, Barack Obama has not had any of those experiences either, nor has he ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down. I mean-

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be President.

Bob Schieffer: Really?!

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: But Barack is not, he is not running on the fact that he has made these national security pronouncements. He's running on his other strengths. He's running on the strengths of character, on the strengths of his communication skills, on the strengths of his judgment. And those are qualities that we seek in our national leadership.

Media Matters had the same opinion.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200806300002?f=h_top

You're fat, Randi.

I'm really surprised at Rhandi. I thought she'd be the first to make a statement like that regarding McCains record. General Clark was right.

I'm so sick of her today...sorry Randi, but you are and it won't be getting any more dead. Seriously, for the first time in a long time, I'm about to turn off the feed because she is driving me nuts.

I'm sick and tired of the "hands off McCain and his military record, he's a POW for god's sake!" attitude. Maybe Clark was a little bit over the line, but not as out of line as Randi is making it out to be and I really wish she'd just give it up already.

This is touch football compared to Hillary days!

Really..I've read all 5 pages of this and I think it's time to move on Randi...devoting 2 shows to this is overkill. Don't we have more important things to talk about. Sorry about your sunburn. Being a WPB resident myself, man I know how hot that sun can get...

Off what messege? He doesn't work for the Obama campaign.