This was said after she asked, Hey, is there a difference between flip-flopping and evolving.
Pass me the 7-Up, pestone.
A commentator woman (don't know her name yet) said that perhaps John McCain IS NOT really flip-flopping on the issues, he's just E V O L V I N G.
This was said after she asked, Hey, is there a difference between flip-flopping and evolving.
Pass me the 7-Up, pestone.
This was said after she asked, Hey, is there a difference between flip-flopping and evolving.
Pass me the 7-Up, pestone.
I'll actually give him that point on the off-shore drilling issue. I'm convinced he's still made the moronic, idiotic wrong choice - and I suspect he knows as well as anyone that the drilling proposed won't do a single thing for anyone for at least the next 10 years, and there's decades worth of reason to believe the promises for improvement 10 years down the line will never come to pass.
But I am willing to accept that the difference between his previous stand on off-shore drilling and his latest stand today was in fact brought about by the change in circumstances between when his first position was taken and today - gas at $4.10 across the country, and $4.60 in LA. It's probably fair to say that was a process of evolution - it sure as hell wasn't "intelligent design!"
As we've seen with "terror alerts," TSA at the airports, the "stimulus checks," and "The Surge," the government responding to concerns with something that provides citizens the illusion of addressing the problem is often considered by the government as tantamount to actually doing something that addresses the problem.
Yep.
And in that list there is nothing about "malfeasance" in relation to the McCain's Keating Five involvement, or legislative involvement with lobbyist, Vicki Iseman.
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After four years of the Bush Administration's poor performance, most American's today are just looking for someone they can trust, regardless of whether they are Democrats or Republicans. When one compares Obama's so called minor flip-flops, versus the highly critical changes of political direction by John McCain, there is no real comparison.
Let's look at the very long list comparing the "Old" McCain with the so called "New" McCain:
>>> A Woman's Right to Choose: In 1999, the old McCain, while on the GOP campaign trail had said; "In the short term, or even in the long term, I would not support the repeal of Roe vs Wade."
However, in a recent TV interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, McCain said; "I do believe that that it's very likely or possible that the Supreme Court should or could overturn Roe vs Wade, which would return it to the states, which I support."
>>> Religion: In 2002, McCain described the televangelist, Jerry Falwell, as an "agent of intolerance", when Falwell had said that "American's deserved the attacks on 9/11".
Today, McCain has been cozying up to the Falwell contingent and he has even hired Falwell's debate coach for his election team.
>>> Political Corruption: In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen, Sam & Charles Wyly of being corrupt. He had said they were spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's presidential campaign. McCain went so far as to file an official complaint against the Wyly's for violating campaign finance law.
However, apparently the Wyly's weren't "too dirty" for Senator McCain. In April 2008, McCain reached out to both of the Wyly's, asking for financial support for his 2008 election campaign efforts.
>>> Crooked Republicans: For years, Senator John McCain has said; "That the wealthy Republican supporter, Grover Norquist, was a crook."
Since McCain became the official Republican nominee for the 2008 election, he has been "reconciling" with the influential Norquist.
>>> Torture: Having been a tortured prisoner in the war in Vietnam, McCain has been against the torturing of war detainees and had also stated that the results of questioning prisoners using torture was usually very unreliable.
McCain has recently caved in to President Bush's program that supports the torture of any and all detainees as is deemed necessary by the the military commanders.
>>> Campaign Finance Reform: McCain's most famous policy issue has been his support for the bill he sponsored on campaign finance reform.
It's hard to believe, but today, McCain refuses to support the reform policies that he stated in his own campaign finance reform bill....?
>>> Bob Jones University: McCain was strongly against presidential candidates being able to campaign at the highly controversial Bob Jones University.
Today, John McCain supports campaigning at Bob Jones University.
>>> Ethanol: McCain was previously a big supporter of ethanol.
Today he's against ethanol.
>>> Confederate Flag: McCain was against displaying the confederate flag until he was advised that he would lose key Southern supporters if he said he disagreed with displaying the flag. He has since admitted that he changed his position back in 1999 just to make sure he did not lose those Southern supporters.
>>> Going to the Far Right: Previously known as the "Maverick" or "independent Republican", McCain is unashamedly, more and more in walk-step with George W. Bush's far right policies in the areas where it really counts for all Americans. Despites his current horrible record of major flip-flops, there are still many soft-pedaling media reporters and pundits telling Americans that "no one could accuse John McCain of deliberately being ambiguous or unclear in order to mislead or withhold information".
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/66732
Let's look at the very long list comparing the "Old" McCain with the so called "New" McCain:
>>> A Woman's Right to Choose: In 1999, the old McCain, while on the GOP campaign trail had said; "In the short term, or even in the long term, I would not support the repeal of Roe vs Wade."
However, in a recent TV interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, McCain said; "I do believe that that it's very likely or possible that the Supreme Court should or could overturn Roe vs Wade, which would return it to the states, which I support."
>>> Religion: In 2002, McCain described the televangelist, Jerry Falwell, as an "agent of intolerance", when Falwell had said that "American's deserved the attacks on 9/11".
Today, McCain has been cozying up to the Falwell contingent and he has even hired Falwell's debate coach for his election team.
>>> Political Corruption: In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen, Sam & Charles Wyly of being corrupt. He had said they were spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's presidential campaign. McCain went so far as to file an official complaint against the Wyly's for violating campaign finance law.
However, apparently the Wyly's weren't "too dirty" for Senator McCain. In April 2008, McCain reached out to both of the Wyly's, asking for financial support for his 2008 election campaign efforts.
>>> Crooked Republicans: For years, Senator John McCain has said; "That the wealthy Republican supporter, Grover Norquist, was a crook."
Since McCain became the official Republican nominee for the 2008 election, he has been "reconciling" with the influential Norquist.
>>> Torture: Having been a tortured prisoner in the war in Vietnam, McCain has been against the torturing of war detainees and had also stated that the results of questioning prisoners using torture was usually very unreliable.
McCain has recently caved in to President Bush's program that supports the torture of any and all detainees as is deemed necessary by the the military commanders.
>>> Campaign Finance Reform: McCain's most famous policy issue has been his support for the bill he sponsored on campaign finance reform.
It's hard to believe, but today, McCain refuses to support the reform policies that he stated in his own campaign finance reform bill....?
>>> Bob Jones University: McCain was strongly against presidential candidates being able to campaign at the highly controversial Bob Jones University.
Today, John McCain supports campaigning at Bob Jones University.
>>> Ethanol: McCain was previously a big supporter of ethanol.
Today he's against ethanol.
>>> Confederate Flag: McCain was against displaying the confederate flag until he was advised that he would lose key Southern supporters if he said he disagreed with displaying the flag. He has since admitted that he changed his position back in 1999 just to make sure he did not lose those Southern supporters.
>>> Going to the Far Right: Previously known as the "Maverick" or "independent Republican", McCain is unashamedly, more and more in walk-step with George W. Bush's far right policies in the areas where it really counts for all Americans. Despites his current horrible record of major flip-flops, there are still many soft-pedaling media reporters and pundits telling Americans that "no one could accuse John McCain of deliberately being ambiguous or unclear in order to mislead or withhold information".
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/66732
And in that list there is nothing about "malfeasance" in relation to the McCain's Keating Five involvement, or legislative involvement with lobbyist, Vicki Iseman.
I couldn't believe that Larry King, while interviewing female inmates, asked the question "Do you miss intimacy?"
What a perverted idiot. Those females don't miss intimacy, they get that from each other. He should have just asked what he really wanted to ask, and that would be: "Do you miss the penis?"
In shock in Oklahoma!
What a perverted idiot. Those females don't miss intimacy, they get that from each other. He should have just asked what he really wanted to ask, and that would be: "Do you miss the penis?"
In shock in Oklahoma!
I'm sure Jolie would not approve.
But it looks like MSNBC is going to cover the delivery of her twins. OH MY GOD.
Meanwhile . . .
Where's Yoo and Addington? I submit, we launch a national search for Yoo and Addington. I'm tired of their privacy being adhered to. Same with Cheney. Where is he? I want to see news helicopters hovering over him, 24/7 following him relentlessly wherever he is. Have to hunt down those terrorist killers, you know.
But it looks like MSNBC is going to cover the delivery of her twins. OH MY GOD.
Meanwhile . . .
Where's Yoo and Addington? I submit, we launch a national search for Yoo and Addington. I'm tired of their privacy being adhered to. Same with Cheney. Where is he? I want to see news helicopters hovering over him, 24/7 following him relentlessly wherever he is. Have to hunt down those terrorist killers, you know.
QUOTE (egghead @ Jul 1 2008, 08:30 AM) 
......perhaps John McCain IS NOT really flip-flopping on the issues, he's just E V O L V I N G.
Pass me the 7-Up, pestone.
Pass me the 7-Up, pestone.
Regular or diet?
McCain a benefactor of evolution? Hard to believe. Then again, I guess "Intelligent Design" really doesn't apply to Grampa's campaign.
<----- (This is Coca Cola for me)QUOTE (egghead @ Jul 2 2008, 08:25 AM)
I'm sure Jolie would not approve.
But it looks like MSNBC is going to cover the delivery of her twins. OH MY GOD. ...
But it looks like MSNBC is going to cover the delivery of her twins. OH MY GOD. ...
But at least she has outfoxed them, so to speak. She figured out years ago that, if the cameras were going to follow her everywhere, she'd go to places people should see. Very cool, that.
All kinda makes me wish Clooney, Hanks or Will Smith - one of the MAJOR majors NOT so closely linked with lib. causes (i.e. Sean Penn, Sarandon, et al) that make them easier to ignore, would have dropped by the recent Addington/Yoo hearing. Be cool if they could work up a schedule to trade off attending important hearings in DC to assure SOME mention of the appearance PLUS the substance sneaked in on at least the cable nets.
Hell, fine with me if Miley Cyrus joined in, with the resulting heart attacks all around the Disney campus a bonus prize.
QUOTE (bushwa)
All kinda makes me wish Clooney, Hanks or Will Smith - one of the MAJOR majors NOT so closely linked with lib. causes (i.e. Sean Penn, Sarandon, et al) that make them easier to ignore, would have dropped by the recent Addington/Yoo hearing. Be cool if they could work up a schedule to trade off attending important hearings in DC to assure SOME mention of the appearance PLUS the substance sneaked in on at least the cable nets.
If Bill Clinton wanted to make himself useful instead of "relevant" he'd show up........
QUOTE (bushwa @ Jul 2 2008, 09:14 PM)
But at least she has outfoxed them, so to speak. She figured out years ago that, if the cameras were going to follow her everywhere, she'd go to places people should see. Very cool, that.
All kinda makes me wish Clooney, Hanks or Will Smith - one of the MAJOR majors NOT so closely linked with lib. causes (i.e. Sean Penn, Sarandon, et al) that make them easier to ignore, would have dropped by the recent Addington/Yoo hearing. Be cool if they could work up a schedule to trade off attending important hearings in DC to assure SOME mention of the appearance PLUS the substance sneaked in on at least the cable nets.
Hell, fine with me if Miley Cyrus joined in, with the resulting heart attacks all around the Disney campus a bonus prize.
All kinda makes me wish Clooney, Hanks or Will Smith - one of the MAJOR majors NOT so closely linked with lib. causes (i.e. Sean Penn, Sarandon, et al) that make them easier to ignore, would have dropped by the recent Addington/Yoo hearing. Be cool if they could work up a schedule to trade off attending important hearings in DC to assure SOME mention of the appearance PLUS the substance sneaked in on at least the cable nets.
Hell, fine with me if Miley Cyrus joined in, with the resulting heart attacks all around the Disney campus a bonus prize.
Had the media circus thrown in Jamie Spears you get a trifecta, sort of.
QUOTE (LilaTheGreat @ Jul 2 2008, 08:27 AM)
I couldn't believe that Larry King, while interviewing female inmates, asked the question "Do you miss intimacy?"
What a perverted idiot. Those females don't miss intimacy, they get that from each other. He should have just asked what he really wanted to ask, and that would be: "Do you miss the penis?"
In shock in Oklahoma!
What a perverted idiot. Those females don't miss intimacy, they get that from each other. He should have just asked what he really wanted to ask, and that would be: "Do you miss the penis?"
In shock in Oklahoma!
And most of the women that are in prison are there because of a man! It may have been an evil man from their past that caused them to loose hope and turn to crime.... a molesting relative that got them off track....trying to feed their babies because the father took off..... or they took the heat for a boyfriend or husband. That would be enough for me to switch teams!!!! Of course this is not true for all cases. Not hating on men here.... I love men....
QUOTE (pestone @ Jul 2 2008, 05:13 PM)
Regular or diet?
McCain a benefactor of evolution? Hard to believe. Then again, I guess "Intelligent Design" really doesn't apply to Grampa's campaign.
<----- (This is Coca Cola for me)
McCain a benefactor of evolution? Hard to believe. Then again, I guess "Intelligent Design" really doesn't apply to Grampa's campaign.
<----- (This is Coca Cola for me)Regular 7-up, or Coca Cola, sometimes, especially with popcorn.
QUOTE (bushwa @ Jul 2 2008, 08:14 PM)
But at least she has outfoxed them, so to speak. She figured out years ago that, if the cameras were going to follow her everywhere, she'd go to places people should see. Very cool, that.
All kinda makes me wish Clooney, Hanks or Will Smith - one of the MAJOR majors NOT so closely linked with lib. causes (i.e. Sean Penn, Sarandon, et al) that make them easier to ignore, would have dropped by the recent Addington/Yoo hearing. Be cool if they could work up a schedule to trade off attending important hearings in DC to assure SOME mention of the appearance PLUS the substance sneaked in on at least the cable nets.
Hell, fine with me if Miley Cyrus joined in, with the resulting heart attacks all around the Disney campus a bonus prize.
All kinda makes me wish Clooney, Hanks or Will Smith - one of the MAJOR majors NOT so closely linked with lib. causes (i.e. Sean Penn, Sarandon, et al) that make them easier to ignore, would have dropped by the recent Addington/Yoo hearing. Be cool if they could work up a schedule to trade off attending important hearings in DC to assure SOME mention of the appearance PLUS the substance sneaked in on at least the cable nets.
Hell, fine with me if Miley Cyrus joined in, with the resulting heart attacks all around the Disney campus a bonus prize.
Good idea. Bushwa.
QUOTE (KaydensMommy @ Jul 10 2008, 01:58 PM)
And most of the women that are in prison are there because of a man! It may have been an evil man from their past that caused them to loose hope and turn to crime.... a molesting relative that got them off track....trying to feed their babies because the father took off..... or they took the heat for a boyfriend or husband. That would be enough for me to switch teams!!!! Of course this is not true for all cases. Not hating on men here.... I love men....
Yeah, most or some actually have PTSD, after all those years of living in fear. Very sad. My lil sister used to work with domestic violence victims, almost 24/7.
QUOTE (egghead @ Jul 1 2008, 11:30 AM)
A commentator woman (don't know her name yet) said that perhaps John McCain IS NOT really flip-flopping on the issues, he's just E V O L V I N G.
I thought that Republicans didn;t believe in evolution.
QUOTE (egghead @ Jul 1 2008, 11:30 AM)
A commentator woman (don't know her name yet) said that perhaps John McCain IS NOT really flip-flopping on the issues, he's just E V O L V I N G.
This was said after she asked, Hey, is there a difference between flip-flopping and evolving.
Pass me the 7-Up, pestone.
This was said after she asked, Hey, is there a difference between flip-flopping and evolving.
Pass me the 7-Up, pestone.
This is a great thread, Republicans don't lie, they "Mis-speak", a rovian developed political tool no doubt.
Eggs, I crown thee Chief of Eggs of the RRMBs. No one can take that away from you if you own it, because I gave it to you
.I am not a punishing Gawd like someone I know. Psssst, he said Mericans are too much into "Instant Gratification". Is that like a couple of limited incursions that were only to last a year and not more ? That boy needs to learn everything the hard way too. Some think of him as a dildo to the Great Arab harlot, her instant gratification, no doubt.
MSNBC totally degraded Andrea Mitchell a few days ago pairing her with...Mr Know Nothing Wlly Geist while he was covering the BIGGEST sausage ever made, that happened during the 1st hr of the show and the poor idiot kept apologizing to Andrea for the remaining 3 hrs of the show. I was embarrassed for him
If I have to go through another election hearing the term "flip-flopper" every 10 minuts, I'm going to go out of my mind. Can anyone say "broken record". Hopefully Obama will put an end to this in the first debate by pointing out every time McBush suddenly switched sides.
I 
this thread.
this thread.
Personally, I'm a fan of McCain bringing up Czechoslovakia in his foreign policy statements, and how the media won't point out that that particular nation hasn't existed in 15 years.
That's why he's known as Teflon John.
That's why he's known as Teflon John.
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