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NecroUnderachiever
Story Here
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Denver Shocked as Singer Opts for 'Black National Anthem' Over 'Star-Spangled Banner'
A jazz singer shocked some Denver residents after replacing the words to the national anthem with those of the "Black National Anthem" during the annual State of the City address this week.

Rene Marie was asked to sing "The Star-Spangled Banner" before Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper delivered the annual address on Tuesday. Instead, she sang the lyrics of "Lift Every Voice and Sing" — a hymn commonly referred to as the "Black National Anthem" — to the tune of the national anthem, MyFOXColorado.com reported.
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But the change in lyrics angered many residents, including City Councilman Charlie Brown.

"I was mad," he told MyFOXColorado.com. "I almost walked off the stage."

Brown said the matter needs to be addressed. "There is no substitute for the national anthem."
You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown.

Wow is this the talk of the town today. Personally, I view this as a social statement. Good for her. Good for Denver. Great place to get it noticed.

Questionable haircut.
Tyo
QUOTE (NecroUnderachiever @ Jul 2 2008, 10:35 AM) *
Story Here
You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown.

Wow is this the talk of the town today. Personally, I view this as a social statement. Good for her. Good for Denver. Great place to get it noticed.

Questionable haircut.

I like the haircut. And the statement. Charlie is wrong. Obviously there is a substitute for the national anthem. Rene provided one.
adamquestor
This is an example of what I've been predicting for a while now.

Time for my prediction, natch:

The former US will consist of at least three separate countries by 2010.

gutterballz
kim weston sm.png thumbsup.gif sm.png sm.png


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGWsqR6UbGk
carmenjonze
Any video yet? I would like to hear that rendition.

Then again, I'm trying to set Stephanie Millers' "You're A Lying Sack of Crap" to the tune of "Amazing Grace", so...

People don't know jack shit about the Negro/Black National Anthem and why it was written -- and by whom -- in the first place.

I bet they even think it was written "in the 60s".

f'n idiots in this country.
adamquestor
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 2 2008, 01:23 PM) *
...

Then again, I'm trying to set Stephanie Millers' "You're A Lying Sack of Crap" to the tune of "Amazing Grace", so...

...



AHHHHHhhhhh - I WANNA HEAR IT biggrin.gif

I agree w/ you - effin' idiots, starting in 2000.

carmenjonze
QUOTE (adamquestor @ Jul 2 2008, 10:45 AM) *
AHHHHHhhhhh - I WANNA HEAR IT biggrin.gif

I agree w/ you - effin' idiots, starting in 2000.


LOL if she's still doing listener send-ins when she's back from vacation, I just might do it. It's actually pretty hilarious. And of course I'll have to do a Kansas/Carry On Wayward Son version lol

Did you hear the Doors and Stevie Wonder versions? LOL!
NecroUnderachiever
Uninterrupted Singing

You're welcome.
X-Ray-Spex
Nobody told me there was a Black National Anthem. How does it go?
Is it song to the tune of "To Anacreon in Heaven" or does it have a Motown flavor? Hip-Hop?



To Anacreon in Heaven

To Anacreon in heaven where he sat in full glee,
A few sons of harmony sent a petition,
That he their inspirer and patron would be,
When this answer arrived from the jolly old Grecian:
Voice, fiddle aud flute, no longer be mute,
I'll lend you my name and inspire you to boot!
And besides I'll instruct you like me to entwine
The myrtle of Venus and Bacchus's vine.

The news through Olympus immediately flew,
When old Thunder pretended to give himself airs,
If these mortals are suffered their scheme to pursue,
The devil a goddess will stay above stairs,
Hark! already they cry, in transports of joy,
A fig for Parnassus, to Rowley's we'll fly,
And there my good fellows, we'll learn to entwine
The myrtle of Venus and Bacchus's vine.

The yellow-haired god, and his nine fusty maids,
To the hill of old Lud will incontinent flee,
Idalia will boast but of tenantless shades,
And the biforked hill a mere desert will be,
My thunder, no fear on't, will soon do its errand,
And, damn me I'll swinge the ringleaders, I warrant
I'll trim the young dogs, for thus daring to twine
The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine.

Apollo rose up and said, "Prythee ne'er quarrel,
Good king of the gods, with my votaries below
Your thunder is useless - then showing his laurel,
Cried, Sic evitabile fulmen, you know!
Then over each head my laurels I'll spread,
So my sons from your crackers no mischief shall dread
Whilst snug in their club-room, they jovially twine
The myrtle of Venus and Bacchus's vine.
TapDuncan
I heard it on Frangela this am, and I thought it was way cool, and that took some guts to do. Especially without telling them what she was gonna do, way to girl!
carmenjonze
QUOTE (X-Ray-Spex @ Jul 2 2008, 11:40 AM) *
Nobody told me there was a Black National Anthem. How does it go?
Is it song to the tune of "To Anacreon in Heaven" or does it have a Motown flavor? Hip-Hop?



To Anacreon in Heaven

To Anacreon in heaven where he sat in full glee,
A few sons of harmony sent a petition,
That he their inspirer and patron would be,
When this answer arrived from the jolly old Grecian:
Voice, fiddle aud flute, no longer be mute,
I'll lend you my name and inspire you to boot!
And besides I'll instruct you like me to entwine
The myrtle of Venus and Bacchus's vine.

The news through Olympus immediately flew,
When old Thunder pretended to give himself airs,
If these mortals are suffered their scheme to pursue,
The devil a goddess will stay above stairs,
Hark! already they cry, in transports of joy,
A fig for Parnassus, to Rowley's we'll fly,
And there my good fellows, we'll learn to entwine
The myrtle of Venus and Bacchus's vine.

The yellow-haired god, and his nine fusty maids,
To the hill of old Lud will incontinent flee,
Idalia will boast but of tenantless shades,
And the biforked hill a mere desert will be,
My thunder, no fear on't, will soon do its errand,
And, damn me I'll swinge the ringleaders, I warrant
I'll trim the young dogs, for thus daring to twine
The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine.

Apollo rose up and said, "Prythee ne'er quarrel,
Good king of the gods, with my votaries below
Your thunder is useless - then showing his laurel,
Cried, Sic evitabile fulmen, you know!
Then over each head my laurels I'll spread,
So my sons from your crackers no mischief shall dread
Whilst snug in their club-room, they jovially twine
The myrtle of Venus and Bacchus's vine.


No, all wrong. Written by James Weldon Johnson and brother Rosamond, originally called the Negro National Anthem, 1900. Not Motown, not rap, not funk, not hard bop or swing or any of that.

Every Black musician in the US knows it, I'm certain.

http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/g_l...son/johnson.htm

I'll find you a really good version of it.
carmenjonze
Tennessee State University Choir

No year given, but this is a pretty standard traditional arrangement.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UYd_qWXB-4A&feature=related

You can hear this arrangement with similar voices in any high Baptist or AME church especially during the month of February.

QUOTE
Lift every voice and sing
Till earth and heaven ring
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty;

let our rejoicing rise,
high as the list'ning skies, let it resound loud as the rolling sea

sing a song full of faith that the dark past has tought us,
sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us;
facing the rising sun of our new day begun,
let us march on till victory is won.

Stony the road we trod,
bitter the chast'ning rod,
felt in the day that hope unborn had died;

yet with a steady beat,
have not our weary feet,
come to the place on witch our fathers sighed?

we have come over a way that with tears has been watered,
we have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered,
out from the gloomy past, till now we stand at last


LEVAS is a show-stopper, typically reserved for the 2nd to last or last song of a spirituals or Black chorus ensemble. Never fails to bring the house down, 108 years later.
Sinisterblogger
That's it. The next time I'm asked to do the National Anthem, I'm going to belt out either "We Are Family" or "I Will Survive." tongue.gif
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Sinisterblogger @ Jul 2 2008, 12:00 PM) *
That's it. The next time I'm asked to do the National Anthem, I'm going to belt out either "We Are Family" or "I Will Survive." tongue.gif



Neither of those have the same effect as "Lift Evry Voice and Sing".
TapDuncan
If I have to sing it, I will belt out "I'd like to teach the world to sing" But I prefer RC Cola and a moonpie!!!
carmenjonze
QUOTE (gutterballz @ Jul 2 2008, 11:22 AM) *


My chapter on Kim Weston is called, "How did a Pentecostal girl like you get an AME voice like that"? I think you have to be Black to get the humor, but whatever, that's my audience.

This performance was part of a come-back after Motown treated her like crud.

Kim Weston is one of my all-time faves...totally underrated, virtually unknown.
X-Ray-Spex
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 2 2008, 02:45 PM) *
Every Black musician in the US knows it, I'm certain.


I've never heard of it so don't be so certain.
Must not have been very popular in NYC.
I'll learn it if you think it's worth the trouble.
I can fake it if you hum a few bars. laugh.gif
NecroUnderachiever
I was first introduced to it watching a rented blaxploitation flick while in the Army. My roommates at the time asked me, if I'd ever heard the song before. I told them I had not and didn't know what it was, but I thought it was fantastic. It was then that they told me that is was known as the Black National Anthem.

It's still moving.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (NecroUnderachiever @ Jul 2 2008, 12:39 PM) *
Uninterrupted Singing

You're welcome.


Oh man, that's fantastic.

But it doesn't beat the best version of the Star Spangled Banner I've ever heard, which was by Whitney Houston in 1991.

Ray Charles's was great too, but dang, Whitney really tore it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5GSxSmYvME
carmenjonze
QUOTE (X-Ray-Spex @ Jul 2 2008, 01:24 PM) *
I've never heard of it so don't be so certain.
Must not have been very popular in NYC.
I'll learn it if you think it's worth the trouble.
I can fake it if you hum a few bars. laugh.gif


Ok we'll change that to every Black church musician.
Starbuck
I love it when someone stick it to the man, but I really don't want to see this get blown out of proportion by the main stream media.

gutterballz
QUOTE (NecroUnderachiever @ Jul 2 2008, 03:39 PM) *
Uninterrupted Singing

You're welcome.



Excellent

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adamquestor
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 2 2008, 03:35 PM) *
Oh man, that's fantastic.

But it doesn't beat the best version of the Star Spangled Banner I've ever heard, which was by Whitney Houston in 1991.

Ray Charles's was great too, but dang, Whitney really tore it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5GSxSmYvME



I remember this. Whitney actually made that POS song tolerable. I wish America had a better national anthem.

KimFromLongIsland
Ok well I'll say it. I think it was a rotton thing to do. We have one national anthem. I'm not crazy about it (I'd prefer G-d Bless America or America the beautiful), but it's the anthem. When you're given the honor to sing it, you don't sing something else.
QBC
QUOTE (KimFromLongIsland @ Jul 2 2008, 07:17 PM) *
Ok well I'll say it. I think it was a rotton thing to do. We have one national anthem. I'm not crazy about it (I'd prefer G-d Bless America or America the beautiful), but it's the anthem. When you're given the honor to sing it, you don't sing something else.


Bingo.

I'll bet Rene Marie will never again be invited to sing the National Anthem.
adamquestor
QUOTE (KimFromLongIsland @ Jul 2 2008, 08:17 PM) *
Ok well I'll say it. I think it was a rotton thing to do. We have one national anthem. I'm not crazy about it (I'd prefer G-d Bless America or America the beautiful), but it's the anthem. When you're given the honor to sing it, you don't sing something else.



We have two or more Americas. We have two or more national anthems. Sing whichever one you like.

KimFromLongIsland
QUOTE (adamquestor @ Jul 2 2008, 08:26 PM) *
We have two or more Americas. We have two or more national anthems. Sing whichever one you like.

There is one United States of America last time I looked and one official anthem. No matter how many differences we have, we are ONE nation and we have ONE anthem.
adamquestor
QUOTE (KimFromLongIsland @ Jul 2 2008, 08:27 PM) *
There is one United States of America last time I looked and one official anthem. No matter how many differences we have, we are ONE nation and we have ONE anthem.



I'm from California; we're never truly included in the US, so please understand if I'm not too enthusiastic or concerned about it. Frankly, if the US disappeared tomorrow, we Californians might not even notice for a few days (when the forest fire smoke clears). I think it's cool that people have the freedom to sing whatever anthem they want.

QBC
QUOTE (adamquestor @ Jul 2 2008, 07:36 PM) *
I'm from California; we're never truly included in the US, so please understand if I'm not too enthusiastic or concerned about it. Frankly, if the US disappeared tomorrow, we Californians might not even notice for a few days (when the forest fire smoke clears). I think it's cool that people have the freedom to sing whatever anthem they want.


So then would it be safe to assume you wouldn't mind going into a restaurant and taking whatever the waiter decided to bring you, rather than what you ordered?
gutterballz
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 2 2008, 04:11 PM) *
My chapter on Kim Weston is called, "How did a Pentecostal girl like you get an AME voice like that"? I think you have to be Black to get the humor,

Kim Weston is one of my all-time faves...totally underrated, virtually unknown.


u mean one of The Blacks tm laugh.gif

biggrin.gif I'm not but I got it biggrin.gif

I dig the whole wattstax vid Think i was like 2 at the time laugh.gif
adamquestor
QUOTE (QBC @ Jul 2 2008, 08:52 PM) *
So then would it be safe to assume you wouldn't mind going into a restaurant and taking whatever the waiter decided to bring you, rather than what you ordered?


If I ordered apples and the waiter brought oranges, I wouldn't mind too much wink.gif

I digress, but I actually do this occasionally - I allow the chef to choose and cook whatever he wants for me. San Francisco has the best food on the planet (sorry Paris) and you can't go wrong doing this very thing in SF.

Really, does it matter so much? We have already apparently abandoned respect for anthems when we removed the best anthem ever: Take Me Out to the Ball Game during the seventh-inning stretch. Given this precedent, I can't defend keeping the current POS as an anthem - replace it - I won't miss it at all.
QBC
QUOTE (adamquestor @ Jul 2 2008, 08:11 PM) *
If I ordered apples and the waiter brought oranges, I wouldn't mind too much wink.gif

I digress, but I actually do this occasionally - I allow the chef to choose and cook whatever he wants for me. San Francisco has the best food on the planet (sorry Paris) and you can't go wrong doing this very thing in SF.

Really, does it matter so much? We have already apparently abandoned respect for anthems when we removed the best anthem ever: Take Me Out to the Ball Game during the seventh-inning stretch. Given this precedent, I can't defend keeping the current POS as an anthem - replace it - I won't miss it at all.


Where I'm going with this is the honoring of a commitment.

If I as a waiter commit to bring you a steak, then I need to honor that commitment if I wish to remain employed.

In terms of Rene Marie, she committed to singing the National Anthem. She didn't honor that commitment and will likely not be asked again to perform in that type of a setting.
adamquestor
QUOTE (QBC @ Jul 2 2008, 09:19 PM) *
Where I'm going with this is the honoring of a commitment.

If I as a waiter commit to bring you a steak, then I need to honor that commitment if I wish to remain employed.

In terms of Rene Marie, she committed to singing the National Anthem. She didn't honor that commitment and will likely not be asked again to perform in that type of a setting.



Oh committment... as in "I swear to uphold and defend the Constitution...." I totally get it now....

If you can't commit, you shouldn't be employed in that capacity. I totally get it now.... Let's all sing

THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND
words and music by Woody Guthrie

Chorus:
This land is your land, this land is my land
From California, to the New York Island
From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters
This land was made for you and me

As I was walking a ribbon of highway
I saw above me an endless skyway
I saw below me a golden valley
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

I've roamed and rambled and I've followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
And all around me a voice was sounding
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

The sun comes shining as I was strolling
The wheat fields waving and the dust clouds rolling
The fog was lifting a voice come chanting
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there
And that sign said - no tress passin'
But on the other side .... it didn't say nothin!
Now that side was made for you and me!

Chorus

In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple
Near the relief office - I see my people
And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin'
If this land's still made for you and me.



This totally beats "bombs bursting in air," doesn't it?



jewellthief
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 2 2008, 03:57 PM) *
Tennessee State University Choir

No year given, but this is a pretty standard traditional arrangement.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UYd_qWXB-4A&feature=related

You can hear this arrangement with similar voices in any high Baptist or AME church especially during the month of February.



LEVAS is a show-stopper, typically reserved for the 2nd to last or last song of a spirituals or Black chorus ensemble. Never fails to bring the house down, 108 years later.

I think you may have missed a couple of lines at the end.... does anyone know how to contact this woman? since the NAACP's convention will be here in klancinnati, I want to see if we can get her to perform it here....

QUOTE (adamquestor @ Jul 2 2008, 08:26 PM) *
We have two or more Americas. We have two or more national anthems. Sing whichever one you like.

agreed.... when I attend black college football games, depending on the game, usually both songs are sung....
X-Ray-Spex
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 2 2008, 03:57 PM) *


The shits corny! We're talkin' L7'sville Daddy Oh! cool-smiley-030.gif
GaryWTrott
Personally I think that The Star Spangled Banner is only done justice when played by a full orchestra or marching band. I've never heard a human voice match them. So far as a national anthem goes if it were up to me it would be one of the following which both speak to freedom and liberty, plus a shared love of country and what it stands for.

America (My Country, 'Tis of Thee)
"My country,' tis of thee,
sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing;
and where my fathers died,
land of the pilgrims' pride,
from every mountainside let freedom ring!

My native country, thee,
land of the noble free, thy name I love;
I love thy rocks and rills,
thy woods and templed hills;
my heart with rapture thrills, like that above.

Let music swell the breeze,
and ring from all the trees sweet freedom's song;
let mortal tongues awake;
let all that breathe partake;
let rocks their silence break, the sound prolong.

Our fathers' God, to thee,
author of liberty, to thee we sing;
long may our land be bright
with freedom's holy light;
protect us by thy might, great God, our King."

Or....

America the Beautiful
"O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!

America! America!
God shed His grace on thee,
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!

O beautiful for pilgrim feet
Whose stern impassion'd stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness.

America! America!
God mend thine ev'ry flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law.

O beautiful for heroes prov'd
In liberating strife,
Who more than self their country loved,
And mercy more than life.

America! America!
May God thy gold refine
Till all success be nobleness,
And ev'ry gain divine.

O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears.

America! America!
God shed His grace on thee,
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea."
KimFromLongIsland
Don't forget this.
I know she's Canadian, but I think it's beautiful:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LSarhZpnMs
KimFromLongIsland
QUOTE (KimFromLongIsland @ Jul 3 2008, 05:39 AM) *
Don't forget this.
I know she's Canadian, but I think it's beautiful:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LSarhZpnMs


Then again, when one hears this, it screams changing out anthem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN1b6QcYQ8s

But I must admit, I'll never forget this version of our Anthem. Wonderful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qciWEufZ2xA
carmenjonze
QUOTE (QBC @ Jul 2 2008, 05:19 PM) *
In terms of Rene Marie, she committed to singing the National Anthem. She didn't honor that commitment and will likely not be asked again to perform in that type of a setting.


She'll no doubt be crushed.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (X-Ray-Spex @ Jul 2 2008, 07:14 PM) *
The shits corny! We're talkin' L7'sville Daddy Oh! cool-smiley-030.gif


What did that mean?
carmenjonze
QUOTE (jewellthief @ Jul 2 2008, 05:36 PM) *
I think you may have missed a couple of lines at the end....


Which lines were those?
jewellthief
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 3 2008, 05:55 AM) *
Which lines were those?


God of our weary years, God of our silent tears,
Thou who hast brought us thus far on the way;
Thou who hast by Thy might, led us into the light,
Keep us forever in the path, we pray.
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee.
Lest our hearts, drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee.
Shadowed beneath Thy hand, may we forever stand,
True to our God, true to our native land.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (jewellthief @ Jul 3 2008, 07:35 AM) *
God of our weary years, God of our silent tears,
Thou who hast brought us thus far on the way;
Thou who hast by Thy might, led us into the light,
Keep us forever in the path, we pray.
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee.
Lest our hearts, drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee.
Shadowed beneath Thy hand, may we forever stand,
True to our God, true to our native land.


Yeah, I didn't leave those words out, though.
adamquestor
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 3 2008, 12:29 PM) *
Yeah, I didn't leave those words out, though.



carmen - when will I get to hear "Lying Sack of Crap?"

I might put it on my cellphone ringtones.

tongue.gif
danisnape
I didn't know that song was considered the Black National Anthem. I sang that a lot back in middle school. Of course, my being white made me a minority at the school, a big shift from my WASP-y upbringing up until 5th grade.

I didn't realize how subtle you can teach racism to someone until I found out in 1990 about Martin Luther King Jr., and that he was the reason we had a holiday from school in January. I kid you not, between kindergarden and halfway through the 5th grade, I thought the holiday was for President's Day or something.
NecroUnderachiever
I'm loving the folks getting bent out of shape about this. It let;s me point out that the National Anthem stole it's music from a drinking song.

Then I can use the My Country 'Tis of Thee/God Save the King/Queen theft as a juxtaposition.
X-Ray-Spex
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 3 2008, 04:52 AM) *
What did that mean?


Nothing. Just being silly. cool.gif
adamquestor
Back to topic: the current anthem was adopted by Congressional resolution in 1931, so for most of US history there WAS no official anthem.

I think there are so many better songs than a militant version of "The Anacreontic Song."

We're a rather creative bunch of folks and it would take little to come up with something far better.

known2b
QUOTE (adamquestor @ Jul 2 2008, 05:24 PM) *
I remember this. Whitney actually made that POS song tolerable. I wish America had a better national anthem.


At least she sang what she was suppose to. But I prefer it with out music as HERE
NecroUnderachiever
Give me some Woody Guthrie for the national anthem.
QUOTE
Chorus:
This land is your land, this land is my land
From California, to the New York Island
From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters
This land was made for you and me

As I was walking a ribbon of highway
I saw above me an endless skyway
I saw below me a golden valley
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

I've roamed and rambled and I've followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
And all around me a voice was sounding
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

The sun comes shining as I was strolling
The wheat fields waving and the dust clouds rolling
The fog was lifting a voice come chanting
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there
And that sign said - no tress passin'
But on the other side .... it didn't say nothin!
Now that side was made for you and me!

Chorus

In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple
Near the relief office - I see my people
And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin'
If this land's still made for you and me.

Chorus (2x)
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