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gutterballz
Sorry to the NASCAR fans out there BUT, I don;t find this shocking


http://www.star-telegram.com/340/story/692176.html thumbsdown.gif
gutterballz
mods PLEASE correct my title! I'll look like a maroon if you don't biggrin.gif

no!!! Mo was right against was what I was trying to post good looking out though LOL
RandiLover
If they did that to her, it was wrong. I don't see the humor in the tv remark. Sounds like she has a very important job and should be respected.
carmenjonze
Sadly, NASCAR isn't the only profession chock full of anxious, needledick white men, inimidated by the presence of one Black woman.

Her story is VERY familiar.
gutterballz
any "sport " where they fly confederate flags ?

was she shocked ?
Dessalines
QUOTE (gutterballz @ Jul 3 2008, 10:00 PM) *
Sorry to the NASCAR fans out there BUT, I don;t find this shocking


http://www.star-telegram.com/340/story/692176.html thumbsdown.gif


I saw the young women on ESPN today. It was rather sickening. She was like a goldfish in a swarm of piranhas.
Spyderbyte
To all the rednecks watching rednecks turning left. I'm Earth. Nice to meet you.
CWV
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 3 2008, 10:26 PM) *
Sadly, NASCAR isn't the only profession chock full of anxious, needledick white men, inimidated by the presence of one Black woman.

Her story is VERY familiar.


I doubt very seriously that they were intimidated by her. She didn't have a chance and they knew it. To me it appears to be pure hate.

What I would like to see happen; NASCAR severely sanctions the offenders by fines and firings, and retain Mauricia in the position she earned. This is a prefect opportunity to set an example for a very large swath of white Americans in the area of manners and respect.

Here's what I think is going to happen; NASCAR's going to offer her a few million $$$ and put a gag on her, and she will take the money and STFU.
Randys
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 3 2008, 07:26 PM) *
Sadly, NASCAR isn't the only profession chock full of anxious, needledick white men, inimidated by the presence of one Black woman.

Her story is VERY familiar.

i am a race car enthusiast, and i am aware of the problems with nascars prejudice

makes me cringe whenever i watch
carmenjonze
QUOTE (CWV @ Jul 3 2008, 08:06 PM) *
I doubt very seriously that they were intimidated by her. She didn't have a chance and they knew it. To me it appears to be pure hate.


My point is that they are indeed intimiadated by difference and that is a foundation for their hate.

Black girl in the room is crashing the party. Can't have that -- she might say something smarter than us, ooo what a travesty that would be...better put her back in her place.

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What I would like to see happen; NASCAR severely sanctions the offenders by fines and firings, and retain Mauricia in the position she earned. This is a prefect opportunity to set an example for a very large swath of white Americans in the area of manners and respect.


A lot of us are through with that business. Some people just can't be helped. I wouldn't bother, personally.

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Here's what I think is going to happen; NASCAR's going to offer her a few million $$$ and put a gag on her, and she will take the money and STFU.


You're probably right about that.
tom
QUOTE (gutterballz @ Jul 3 2008, 09:47 PM) *
any "sport " where they fly confederate flags ?

was she shocked ?

I've watched every race this season and haven't seen any confederate flags... dry.gif
gutterballz
QUOTE (tom @ Jul 4 2008, 02:41 PM) *
I've watched every race this season and haven't seen any confederate flags... dry.gif



You've been to every race ?? WOW
TapDuncan
Hey guy's I'm on dial up, because of where I live, and there are more of us, so let's try to use words instead of youtube to start a topic. My step son races in Nascar, and Arca. I would love to know what we're discussing because he a good progressive, living in Charlotte,NC (The heart of Nascar) so I can comment accordingly. Thanks, Tap
gutterballz
QUOTE (TapDuncan @ Jul 4 2008, 03:39 PM) *
Hey guy's I'm on dial up, because of where I live, and there are more of us, so let's try to use words instead of youtube to start a topic. My step son races in Nascar, and Arca. I would love to know what we're discussing because he a good progressive, living in Charlotte,NC (The heart of Nascar) so I can comment accordingly. Thanks, Tap


A woman is filing racial and sexual descrimination charges against NASCAR

tom
QUOTE (gutterballz @ Jul 4 2008, 02:29 PM) *
You've been to every race ?? WOW


When I said "watched", I of course meant via TV and broadband streams. As a satellite hobbiest I have seen quite a bit more coverage than your average viewer watching only the standard broadcast.

You said, "any "sport " where they] fly confederate flags". NASCAR certainly does not fly confederate flags. The fans in the stands aren't flying confederate flags. I would be willing to bet that at races other than at southern tracks you would be hard-pressed to find tailgaiters outside the track displaying confederate flag images, let alone flying real ones. In the south you would find no more than the occasional at any similarly located venue hosting a football or baseball game. Does that make those redneck or racist sports?

If the woman who's story inspired this thread can prove her allegations, more power to her.
NASCAR drivers and their teams, like the fans, come from all over the country (and some outside it). Don't paint them all with the same broad brush because of the bad actions of a few.
TapDuncan
Tom--- I'm with you, my step son is from Illinois, he's not a racist, in fact he's a really good kid, he got tasered last year for sticking up for a fellow team mate who was falsely accused of something, on a race track in...NC! The teammates nationality? Mexican. It is wrong to broad brush NASCAR with good ole boy racist colors. They aren't all like that, plus it's a huge business, so why would they discriminate in this day and age? Seems foolish to do so.
I don't know the whole story, but I bet it's much ado about nothing. Just my hunch.
CWV
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 4 2008, 11:28 AM) *
My point is that they are indeed intimiadated by difference and that is a foundation for their hate.

Black girl in the room is crashing the party. Can't have that -- she might say something smarter than us, ooo what a travesty that would be...better put her back in her place.


Good Point CJ. I can see where they would feel threatened by her intelligence. And woe be unto the poor feller who get's showed up by her, ol' Billy Joe Jim Bob will undoubtedly have a new nick-name before the day is over.
gutterballz
has it been banned since confused-smiley-013.gif

wondering?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=d...erateflag100906
tom
QUOTE (gutterballz @ Jul 5 2008, 04:53 PM) *

Are you trying to prove your points or mine? That article tells you things I already said wink.gif
From your (2006) article:
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A year ago NASCAR CEO Brian France condemned the flag on "60 Minutes" and reiterated his company's "commitment to diversity."

When I referred to confederate flag flying tailgaters being a handful in the south I was referring primarily to Talladega Alabama, which is what the article is about. The article even states that some of them do it just to join the controversy rather than any affinity for the flag. But, as I said earlier, the same people will be at other events in the region, it doesn't make those sports/events racist.

The artice further states:
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Outside the South, the number of Confederate flags at races is low.

What I said.

You asked,
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"has it been banned since confused-smiley-013.gif
wondering?"

Well, the article says:
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NASCAR, under France, has banned the flag from appearing in any official capacity or on any licensed product. In the 1990s, when the Sons of Confederate Veterans raised funds to sponsor a car that would feature the flag prominently, NASCAR denied the group's entry into the sport.

What else do you want them to do? They don't allow the flag in their broadcasts. NASCAR doesn't own the camping areas neighboring the tracks, but the businesses that do aren't going to invite 1st amendment lawsuits. Remember, the basis of our "free speech" includes that which we may find offensive.

Mr. Dan Wetzel of Yahoo Sports seems to have a general disdain for NASCAR punctuated by his potshot at the drivers for not partaking of his "op-ed" piece. I'm surprised the sport's most popular driver gave him the time of day. Then he insulted him. The drivers aren't politicians responsible to their constituency, they are sportsters responsible only to their owners.



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