Yesterday's show (04/03), Randi popped this great zinger line.

A woman had called in to tell her story of purchasing a revolver.. no, an automatic hand gun .. 45 caliber.. Randi and this woman were just getting geeked out on the whole thing, and Randi must of figured how this was sounding.

Screw the "liberal" label.. these girls are "progressive". hahahahaha!

Happy July Fourth to Everyone! Celebrate your Independence!

Remember that it's always the unloaded weapon that kills somebody. So keep some rounds in it.

The rule is, don't point a gun at anyone unless you wish to kill them! THAT IS THE RULE! The next one is always point the gun away from yourself, and anyone else, and check and clear the gun. Always hand the gun to someone unloaded unless you plan on shooting it right then. Never shoot your gun unless you know where the bullet is going. Guns are not the problem, its the people. Keep it safe.

Well if it was an automatic, I hope she obtained a federal permit first. More likely it was a Browning 45 semi-automatic. That is too much muzzle velocity for a lady though. I like a 9mm with a longer barrel for accuracy. Kind of like the weapon issued to our military pilots now. One can be preloaded into the chamber too. That takes away the dwell time of the click-click to the bang-bang. Just remember that trigger is cocked after the first shot. Don't want to shoot your dog. Progressives have clips that hold 17 rounds by the way.

Oooo - I call Second Amendment Sexism! Some of them li'l ol' cowgirls like a little recoil!

Sorry about that.. it was "semi-automatic".

What do you tell a woman with a semi-automatic weapon........................................ ANYTHING SHE WANTS!

Different strokes for different folks ? Although I am told at Mastebation Anonymous they say; "Just don't take that first stroke".

I live in Atlanta and the Governor just signed into law the right to carry a gun on the Marta Trains. I won't be riding Marta any time soon. Can you imagine some screwball with a few to many beers under their belt, firing a 45 inside a train full of commuters? Oh , by the way, I was trained in the military on several weapons and was an expert marksmen. Most people aren't safety oriented or stable enough to carry a firearm in my opinion, and that is probably the reason that in the US, you are 22 times more likely to kill someone you know or yourself with your handgun, than to kill someone trying to do you harm. Not good odds, in my opinion.

I carry a personal Taser, when in a situation that I find threatening, and it actually has more stopping power than a .357, it it won't accidentally kill some innocent person.

Dont doubt it but a link to prove it would be best...

You don't think that anyone carried guns on MARTA till this law?

That's out of the New England Journal of Medicine, back about 2002, maybe before. Good little article. I remember something about 37x, but what's a few more deaths here and there?

Never touch the trigger in any way unless you mean to fire.

Every gun is always loaded. Period.

I don't care you open it, disassemble it, clean each part of it and have it in pieces...it's still loaded.

Capt Williams, whose letters I shared here for a while, got sloppy and was cleaning an unloaded gun...nearly killed himself went it went off. He got lucky.

Even a pro like him, can't for a second treat any gun as if it's unloaded.

BEFORE.. they were probably "concealed" .. now, they'll be visible. Doesn't that elevate the awareness and the danger?

"Don't tase me, bro" .. Sorry about that.. you knew that it had to be said!

If you see a person on MARTA carrying a gun open, is your assumption that they are "bad" guys or law abiding citizens? You might feel uncomfortable, but you probably don't assume that they're going to pull it out and start shooting the place up. However, if a "bad" guy walked on, carrying concealed (illegally), they probably won't start anything until the open-carry guy's gone. I could be wrong, but I see open carry as a deterent.

And whats going to prevent a bad guy from taking the gun away and going on a rampage. To me thats like saying "Hey need a gun, here's one" carrying concealed or not is just asking for trouble. No guns=no gun crime!

I'm gonna assume that before change in law the MARTA system was like a public school -no weapon zone. I doubt I'll see big iron on the hip when next visit Atlanta. I do hang with the concern about the folks who pack and drink. Anyone recall the Youtube posting of the police officer in public school class room doing gun safety talk and saying "I am the only one in this room with the proper training to safely handle this-BOOM discharges 9mm as he holsters it? You might recall from several years back the episode of COPS where the call was about a son sneaking back into the house after a late night with girl friend only to have dad whip out the under the pillow gun and nail his own kid? If you are gun owner never forget their ONLY designed purpose is to KILL-not wound, slow or deflect. I have a femal coworker expert in kick boxing (born Seattle raised Bangcok) she packs a Taser at work and has a concealed carry(but does not carry at work). Might make you think my university is not a safe place I keep telling her she's cute but scary-scarry than any roller girl in full match gear and makeup.

No now come on we'll just go back to the Anne Richards line "i'm not anti gun, just pro Knife-whens the last time somebody killed themself clening thier knife?" I've seen stores robbed with bats, boxcutters, knives and bare fists. Quote should be no guns no gun crime-Brittan is realing from a rash of gang related stabbings-last tiem I looked still a crime.

When you have a gun hanging on your side your asking for trouble, whether I can see it or not, makes no difference. What does a person do when someone decides to take it from them? Let's take a scenario your carrying a weapon on your side in a holster, a bad guy spots it and follows you through a mall just waiting, they see an opening and steal it or try and steal it either way now we have a confrontation that is going to lead to something bad. Now had you not taken your gun to the mall, bad guy or no we don't have a confrontation that involves a gun. As for the other alternatives, I'll take my chances with a boxcutter as opposed to a gun any day.

Lets get realistic. Were you in the military? If so, were you allowed to use a weapon? If so, were you asking for trouble?

I am with you there

That doesn't even deserve a response but yes lets get real. Yes I was, I'd hardly call it allowed to use a weapon and no, trouble usually found the troops with the weapons. You cannot equate that with walking into a mall with a gun strapped to your side.

Try www.google.com It is a new invention that allows one to research info on different topics on the Internet.............

Maybe you are new so I will do this the easy way...

A. We consider providing links to statements of fact a way to prevent someone alleging someone else is posting solely to sow discord...i.e.

Senator Dipshit said “Idont wear a flagpin because I don’t really like my country in the first place”…

If someone were to post this and not provide a link to a credible source to back it up, it would be considered an attempt to start a fight or to sow discord...thus the request

B. As a moderator, it is my job to do so...

I have only been active on forums and newsgroups on the net for about 19 years, so I don't think I am "new". If someone is too lazy to research info which is fairly well known and can easily be found on several search engines, then I am not really interested in doing their homework for them. Now as far as a moderator requiring every statement posted on this forum to be backed up by a link, this I have never heard, and it certainly is not evident that this is happening on this forum.

response deleted...this discussion has ended.

Strawman maybe. Have any evidence that this has been a problem?

I disagree with concealed/carry laws. Unless the person is former law enforcement with a clean record, then ok. As for carrying out in the open, I agree w/ Liblaw, if someone wants to try to steal my wallet, what would stop them from trying to steal my out in the wide open gun? I have only heard of a handful if cases where someone was carrying and had to use the weapon to stop a crime from being committed, the most well known case was in Texas, back in the 80's, when a man saw a woman being abducted in a mall parking lot, he had just come from the range, went to his trunk, and got his .45, told the man to let her go, the man had a gun, too, and the good guy killed the bad guy and was exonerated upon investigation. That's one story, can't think of another, and no I will not go do research on Google.

I can't think of any stories where a person tried to steal someone's open carry/concealed carry gun (except in traffic stops with cops). I will not do research on Google either.

A cop in Chicago was killed last week by someone who took his gun out of his holster, so very sad, check out the sun times newspaper.

I agree with your position on this. I'm not a big fan of gun regulation in the spirit of trying to remove the scourge of guns from society. But open carry, especially on public transportation, is so much of a hazard to public safety that it does deserve to be curtailed. The incident you post is a perfect example. My father and stepmother are both police officers (one retired). There is extensive training they must go through in order to prevent someone from getting at their gun, because it's placement there on their hip is not only a visible deterrent and symbol of authority. As such a symbol it represents a temptation to the criminal that taking it could give them the power and authority, so it is a target. Almost every self defense training an officer receives contains protecting their weapon as a component. Still, even with such extensive training, an officer's weapon is taken from time to time. So what business does the average person have getting on public transportation or entering a bustling public plaza or terminal with such a target on display? Especially since so few would have the training necessary to do anything about it if someone did go for their piece?

I think open carry does have a purpose as far as in rural areas where someone transiting to and from hunting or target shooting should be allowed to keep their weapon on their hip. But there should be a line between that kind of use and allowing displays of bravado to interfere with public safety.

No, but then I haven't been looking. Trust me when I find something I'll put it here but I have (1 - 10 of 39,300,000 for gun stolen news (About) - 0.29 s) a lot of pages to look through.
Type gun stolen news in your search engine, amazing what turns up. This one struck me right off.

Slidell teen shot in face with stolen gun, deputies say

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2008/07...as_acciden.html

Straw man? Only because it hasn't happened, yet.

Just as a wholesome and friendly aside, I'm don't think that's the correct use for straw man...



http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

I haven't read what this is about...just saying. Straw man isn't a "maybe" thing...Straw man has to do with your opponent pretending you have a position that you don't.

For example if person a said "I feel like outlawing guns means only people who ignore the law have guns" and person b responded "Well I didn't say outlaw guns for everyone but criminals." In this example person b ignores a's argument and ascribes to person a a new and easily defeated position.

I can't suggest a number but it's not uncommon to circumvent future administrative confiscation of registered firearms by reporting one or more as having been stolen. So it's safe to say the statistics of actual gun thefts are unreliable.

EVERYONE should get it on the record, NOW. BUY A GUN!

Make the evil doers think twice before they think we will give up our Rights and Liberties so easily.

THE USA WILL NOT allow a nationwide Katrina!

What worries me is that this will mean that the suburban and rural kids who only ever ride MARTA three times a year to get to a Braves game will now be bringing guns with them to protect themselves from the Scary People who ride MARTA regularly.

I don't think Sonny has ever seen the inside of a MARTA train.

If it's only one then that's one gun in the hands of a thief.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...omeinvasion.DTL

One good guy dead, one bad guy dead.. other people injured. Call this one a draw! Who can say what would have happened if the homeowner didn't come out shooting.

Some students at West Virginia Tech said things would be different if they were allowed to carry weapons. Maybe so.. Maybe not. Second guessing will probably be continuous. My thought: Most of the killings occurred in a Physics Lab.. What's wrong with today's kids... They were in a Physics Lab.. weapons are all over the place! (I guess kids don't watch "MacGyver"!)

Something very odd and terrible happened there. Apparently a roomful of people were killed over ten minutes by a single gunman. I don't understand it.

Me neither.

It sent me right over the edge contemplating it.