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ChiffonBreath
Billboards featuring MLK Jr. causing controversy



...The ads are part of a campaign by the National Black Republican Association, which the group says is a new phase of their nation-wide public education campaign.

One billboard has been erected along U.S. 19 N., near Ulmerton Road. There are others in Hillsborough, Sarasota and Manatee counties, as well as other locations throughout Florida.

The King Center in Atlanta said they question whether the billboard is accurate, and that there is no proof that King was ever a Republican...


Gee, whose really behind this and what is really their agenda???

If the King Center can't confirm this, I think it's pretty shabby of the NBRA to do this when Rev. King can neither confirm nor deny it.
AboutBreath
Those Repigs will try anything to destort history and current facts that confuses the population into their empty stately falsehoods for personal gains.
ChiffonBreath
QUOTE (AboutBreath @ Jul 6 2008, 12:33 PM) *
Those Repigs will try anything to destort history and current facts that confuses the population into their empty stately falsehoods for personal gains.



I dunno, man. I think it was a Republican Congress & Senate that passed the Civil Rights Bill. It just happened to be a Democrat who signed it into law because Johnson beat out Goldwater.

So what was really going on back then? The Republicans love to say they passed the Civil Rights Bill...so, when Johnson signed it into law, why did Johnson say as he put down his pen, "We have lost the South for a generation."? Didn't those racist Dixiecrat know MLK was a Republican? Were they too stupid to know that the Republicans supported the Civil Right act more than Dems?


I think if MLK were alive today and politically active, there is no way he's be a registered Republican. He'd have been too liberal for the Republcan party of today.
Hamoth
Counter Billboard:

MLK was a Liberal.
What happened to republicans?
Stoon
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Told about the billboards, the Rev. Joseph Lowery let out a soft chuckle that grew stronger as he began to think more about the idea.

"These guys never give up, do they?" said Lowery, who co-founded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference with King. "Lord have mercy."

Seven billboards have gone up in six Florida counties, and another in Orangeburg, S.C., said Frances Rice, the Republican group's chairwoman. Part of its mission is to highlight what she said is the Democratic Party's racist past.

"I knew the King family well. We were all Republicans," said Rice, 64. "There was no way Dr. King would have wanted to be in the party of the Ku Klux Klan."

Her assertion angered state Rep. Joe Gibbons, a Democrat who chairs the Florida Legislative Black Caucus.

"Nobody knew who was leading the Ku Klux Klan, they had sheets over their heads. Was she at the cross burning meetings?" Gibbons said with a disgust that was just as strong when he talked about the billboards. "To make a statement like that is ridiculous. To make a claim without presenting proof is bogus."

The King Center in Atlanta says there is no proof that King was ever a Republican. Rice stands by her claim.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Billboards_C...lican_0705.html

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For anyone who thought the Republicans wouldn’t use race as an issue in the ‘08 election, think again. The lowest common denominator is always in play for the party thats hemorrhaging members and on its way out. As I read this 2006 article by Dave Johnson at The Huffington Post I found that the NBRA and other associated groups have quite a history of hackery and controversy. Their chairwoman is a plagiarist, the group lost 7 of its 10 board members after members gave glowing reviews to President Bush for his handling of Hurricane Katrina, and many of their offices are nothing more than P.O. boxes and motel rooms set up for ready made, hit-and-run hideouts. Here’s all you need to know about these GOP front groups:

Here’s how the cynical process works. Your opponent is strong and you are weak in a certain area - in this case it is about strong African-American support for Democrats and a Republican race problem making its way into the news. To fight this you set up a front group that is designed to drive a wedge into the core of their support while providing “cover” to deflect attention from you. And to get this done you say anything - whatever is necessary to trick the voters into thinking their interests are served by your cause. So in this case the front-group Black Republican Freedom Fund is set up to run ads in urban areas that say, “Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan,” “Democrats released those vicious dogs and fire hoses on blacks” and “Democrats blocked the minimum wage passed by Republicans.” Read on…

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/07/06/m...s-a-republican/
Starbuck
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I dunno, man. I think it was a Republican Congress & Senate that passed the Civil Rights Bill. It just happened to be a Democrat who signed it into law because Johnson beat out Goldwater.


In 1964 both Houses of Congress were controlled by Democrats.

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So what was really going on back then? The Republicans love to say they passed the Civil Rights Bill...so, when Johnson signed it into law, why did Johnson say as he put down his pen, "We have lost the South for a generation."? Didn't those racist Dixiecrat know MLK was a Republican? Were they too stupid to know that the Republicans supported the Civil Right act more than Dems?


The Republicans can not take credit for passing the Civil Rights Act as they were NOT in the majority. There were Republicans who voted in favor of the legislation, which helped it pass. They helped, but they are not responsible for it. Per ususal the GOP are distorting the facts to fit their agenda.

The Dems were in control of Congress. The Party in control of Congress is responsible for establishing the legislative agenda and moving it through Congress. It was the Dems who've been at the receiving end of the Civil Rights Act backlash the last 40+ years with Nixon's Southern Strategy.

For the Republicans to come in trying to take credit for a piece of legistlation that they have used against the Democrats for decades is the worst kind of hypocrisy. In fact we need a new word for the kind of hypocrisy the Republican Party engages in on a daily basis.
ChiffonBreath
QUOTE (Starbuck @ Jul 7 2008, 04:49 AM) *
In 1964 both Houses of Congress were controlled by Democrats.



The Republicans can not take credit for passing the Civil Rights Act as they were NOT in the majority. There were Republicans who voted in favor of the legislation, which helped it pass. They helped, but they are not responsible for it. Per ususal the GOP are distorting the facts to fit their agenda.

The Dems were in control of Congress. The Party in control of Congress is responsible for establishing the legislative agenda and moving it through Congress. It was the Dems who've been at the receiving end of the Civil Rights Act backlash the last 40+ years with Nixon's Southern Strategy.

For the Republicans to come in trying to take credit for a piece of legistlation that they have used against the Democrats for decades is the worst kind of hypocrisy. In fact we need a new word for the kind of hypocrisy the Republican Party engages in on a daily basis.



this was the vote back then...


he original House version:[7]

* Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
* Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

The Senate version:[7]

* Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[7]

* Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
* Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

(Source)


Interesting numbers. Clearly the Dems had the majority of members in the House and the Senate.

But the Dems themselves were more divided on this issue than the Repukes.

See, this is a perfect example of ideal propaganda...there is a grain of truth in what the Repukes are claiming credit for but it's totally out of context and therefore bogus.
5by5
This is a good sign. They are so desperate, they're making billboard-sized lies.

This is just "Using MLK Version 2".

Back in the day, when it served their needs, MLK was a "Communist". Now when it serves their needs, he's suddenly and miraculously become a Republican.

Jesus, could they GET more Orwellian?

Hamoth
QUOTE (5by5 @ Jul 7 2008, 02:24 AM) *
This is a good sign. They are so desperate, they're making billboard-sized lies.


HA! Now on THAT note, I can sleep.

G'Night all.
5by5
To quote the Reverend Joseph Lowery who co-founded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference with King, it's "Poppycock."
CowboySteve
There was a time when the Republican Party in the South was the only political outlet for Black Americans.

No Black would (or was allowed to) be a Democrat, which was the Enclave of the Last of the Confederacy.

Around the FDR days, things flipped, and there was an uneasy truce between Black Democrats and Southern White Democrats.

Nixon set out to flip the Southern White Democrats.

So, for King to be a Republican, I wouldn't be surprised. But to be THIS kind of Republican, nowadays, I don't think so.
Seeker1
QUOTE (ChiffonBreath @ Jul 7 2008, 05:06 AM) *
But the Dems themselves were more divided on this issue than the Repukes.


Divided, because the Southern Democrats (dixiecrats) were still opposing the bill, and the Northern Democrats were largely in favor.

After the passage of that bill, many of those Southern Dems (Thurmond, Wallace) went Republican or left the party.

Dixiecrats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat

After the Southern Dems left, and Nixon developed his Southern Strategy, the "realignment" of the parties was complete.

Reagan Republicans curtailed the EEOC, rolled back affirmative action, and fought every civil rights effort of the 1980s.



ChiffonBreath
QUOTE (CowboySteve @ Jul 7 2008, 07:49 AM) *
There was a time when the Republican Party in the South was the only political outlet for Black Americans.

No Black would (or was allowed to) be a Democrat, which was the Enclave of the Last of the Confederacy.

Around the FDR days, things flipped, and there was an uneasy truce between Black Democrats and Southern White Democrats.

Nixon set out to flip the Southern White Democrats.

So, for King to be a Republican, I wouldn't be surprised. But to be THIS kind of Republican, nowadays, I don't think so.



Interesting that you mention the "uneasy truce". It was December 8, 1941. FDR declared war on Japan. If the US was going to join the allies to beat Hitler, our military realized it would need every able bodied man in America...Bubba had to stop funneling Negra slave laborers to US Steel to work their mines in the South because they were needed above ground to work ligit jobs in shipyards and factories and joining the service, too. The number of lynchings also went down because the gubmint was actually starting to look for able bodied men, and it was more likely lynchers would be caught and prosecuted. The lynchers liked like use use the Buckwheat for that. ( This is what made the character name of "Buckwheat" in the Little Rascals most distasteful to anyone who knew better.)
tom
QUOTE (5by5 @ Jul 7 2008, 04:24 AM) *
This is a good sign. They are so desperate, they're making billboard-sized lies.

...keep repeating things over and over and over again...catapult the propaganda
Desperation? Or merely sticking with what works? koolaid.gif
Sinisterblogger
Um, MLK was actually a socialist.


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The speech was a reflection of King's evolving political advocacy in his later years, which paralleled the teachings of the progressive Highlander Research and Education Center, with whom King was affiliated.[80] King began to speak of the need for fundamental changes in the political and economic life of the nation. Toward the end of his life, King more frequently expressed his opposition to the war and his desire to see a redistribution of resources to correct racial and economic injustice.[81] Though his public language was guarded, so as to avoid being linked to communism by his political enemies, in private he sometimes spoke of his support for democratic socialism. In one speech, he stated that "something is wrong with capitalism" and claimed, "There must be a better distribution of wealth, and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism."[82]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther...the_Vietnam_War
AboutBreath
QUOTE (ChiffonBreath @ Jul 7 2008, 04:07 AM) *
I dunno, man. I think it was a Republican Congress & Senate that passed the Civil Rights Bill. It just happened to be a Democrat who signed it into law because Johnson beat out Goldwater.

So what was really going on back then? The Republicans love to say they passed the Civil Rights Bill...so, when Johnson signed it into law, why did Johnson say as he put down his pen, "We have lost the South for a generation."? Didn't those racist Dixiecrat know MLK was a Republican? Were they too stupid to know that the Republicans supported the Civil Right act more than Dems?


I think if MLK were alive today and politically active, there is no way he's be a registered Republican. He'd have been too liberal for the Republcan party of today.



I stand corrected! I never suspected MLK being any part of the Repig Party. I was thrown off by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 being the one that JFK put together and LBJ signing that made everything appear as the Democrat party's doing and MLK being the one who lead that movement of the 1960s.

So, my apologies to any Repigs who got history right defending what's stated on that billboard.

I agree with you that from 1965 on that I doubt MLK would have remained a Republican for the rest of the 20th century.

jewellthief
QUOTE (CowboySteve @ Jul 7 2008, 07:49 AM) *
But to be THIS kind of Republican, nowadays, I don't think so.


It's disingenuous to pretend there is some philosophical coherence between the GOP of the 19th century and that of the 21st that should command black loyalty. - Leonard Pitts, Jr.
jkun17
No no no.

We need to get pictures of Regan and put "Regan WAS a Democrat" on them -- because it's at least true, before he got all mentally ill he was a unionist and a Democrat.
AboutBreath
QUOTE (jkun17 @ Jul 7 2008, 02:40 PM) *
We need to get pictures of Regan and put "Regan WAS a Democrat" on them -- because it's at least true, before he got all mentally ill he was a unionist and a Democrat.


But would the Democrat Party want to be associated or connected to Ronald Reagan? That may hurt more than help. Especially with the ever looming Iran Contra Affair.
Stoon
QUOTE (AboutBreath @ Jul 7 2008, 02:59 PM) *
But would the Democrat Party want to be associated or connected to Ronald Reagan? That may hurt more than help. Especially with the ever looming Iran Contra Affair.

It's DemocratIC Party, not Democrat Party.
gutterballz
QUOTE (CowboySteve @ Jul 7 2008, 07:49 AM) *
There was a time when the Republican Party in the South was the only political outlet for Black Americans.

No Black would (or was allowed to) be a Democrat, which was the Enclave of the Last of the Confederacy.

Around the FDR days, things flipped, and there was an uneasy truce between Black Democrats and Southern White Democrats.

Nixon set out to flip the Southern White Democrats.

So, for King to be a Republican, I wouldn't be surprised. But to be THIS kind of Republican, nowadays, I don't think so.



I thint that he was initialy a republican, confused-smiley-013.gif he grew to embrace the Democratic Party as a result of his developing relation ship with the Kennedy's IE the "phione call"


But , the billboard is totaly misleading blowup.gif
AboutBreath
QUOTE (Stoon @ Jul 7 2008, 03:07 PM) *
It's DemocratIC Party, not Democrat Party.


Could you explain this DemocratIC Party? I've not heard of the Democrat 'IC' party before.
Randys
QUOTE (AboutBreath @ Jul 7 2008, 01:01 PM) *
Could you explain this DemocratIC Party? I've not heard of the Democrat 'IC' party before.

http://www.democrats.org/
AboutBreath
QUOTE (Randys @ Jul 7 2008, 04:02 PM) *



Oh ic, the poster meant Democratic party. Why didn't they say so???

Anyways, isn't the Democrat party and the Democratic party basically the same thing?

Stoon
QUOTE (AboutBreath @ Jul 7 2008, 04:10 PM) *
Oh ic, the poster meant Democratic party. Why didn't they say so???

Anyways, isn't the Democrat party and the Democratic party basically the same thing?

The term Democrat Party was coined by the Republicans as a slur because it subconsciously emphasis the "rat" part instead of Democratic.
ChiffonBreath
QUOTE (Sinisterblogger @ Jul 7 2008, 12:04 PM) *



Yeah, that's what I thought...conservative, spiritual, socialist, it was that sort of talk that got him killed.

It was then we learned the Constitution was "just a g_d d-mn piece of paper"as far as the Corporatists were concerned.
Hamoth
QUOTE (ChiffonBreath @ Jul 7 2008, 01:14 PM) *
Yeah, that's what I thought...conservative, spiritual, socialist, it was that sort of talk that got him killed.

It was then we learned the Constitution was "just a g_d d-mn piece of paper"as far as the Corporatists were concerned.



And liberal...
And radical.

A living example of what I meant when I talked about how we are each all of these things at once.
gutterballz
QUOTE (Stoon @ Jul 7 2008, 04:13 PM) *
The term Democrat Party was coined by the Republicans as a slur because it subconsciously emphasis the "rat" part instead of Democratic.


Yep

It's quite corny too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(phrase)
AboutBreath
QUOTE (Stoon @ Jul 7 2008, 04:13 PM) *
The term Democrat Party was coined by the Republicans as a slur because it subconsciously emphasis the "rat" part instead of Democratic.


I honestly didn't know that. So now, what Democrats must do today is refer to themselves as Democratic and not as Democrats because the Repubs have coined the word Democrats that blames the Democrats for putting the emphasis on the word rat as to represent a slur? Is that correct?
AboutBreath
QUOTE (gutterballz @ Jul 7 2008, 04:18 PM) *



It appears that the Democrats have allowed the Repubs to, once again, successfully push their weight around just because they tend to cry wolf about it, in which there's really nothing to this. It's (Democrat Party) been widely used and spoken as the Democrat Party, but leave it to the Repubs to complain enough about it while watching some Democrats cave-in to their silly complaints. Corny isn't the total word for this. It's flat out ridiculous. I feel that any individual has the right to use the word Democrat any which way that they are comfortable with. If there's ever one thing that Obama has stated during the primaries that pertains to the ongoing nonsene, it this phrase. "It's silly season"

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the term can also be found in less partisan media. Media Matters for America, a progressive organization that monitors the media, found "Democrat Party" used (in isolated instances) by CNN, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Chicago Tribune, and the Associated Press.[16]
Hamoth
QUOTE (AboutBreath @ Jul 7 2008, 01:22 PM) *
I honestly didn't know that. So now, what Democrats must do today is refer to themselves as Democratic and not as Democrats because the Repubs have coined the word Democrats that blames the Democrats for putting the emphasis on the word rat as to represent a slur? Is that correct?


Not really...
The party member is a democrat, the party is the democratic party.
Like a citizen in an american, but the country is america...
or more appropriately one who is part of a bureaucratic organization is called a bureaucrat. We don't say a "bureaucrat system".
Hamoth
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I feel that any individual has the right to use the word Democrat any which way that they are comfortable with.


Sure...and I have the right to call Koreans "gooks" like some prominent political leaders. It's just not smart or cool.
AboutBreath
QUOTE (Hamoth @ Jul 7 2008, 04:50 PM) *
Sure...and I have the right to call Koreans "gooks" like some prominent political leaders. It's just not smart or cool.


Absolutely..... you have that right to call Koreans, "gooks" but for one to call another culture such a derogatory slang word is a lot more drastic than using the word Democrat.

It also seems that Bush has been using the word Democratic a lot more lately too. Since this subject of the use of the word Democrat has come up in this thread, it makes me think about how the Republicans have once again convinced the left to become this self conscience of the word Democrat enough to change it to Democratic. Just because Bush trains the Democrats to use the word Democratic or consider themselves as democratic, I'll not do it. I don't and will not agree in that the Republicans are democratic nor will I fall for their trickery playing such word games.
pestone
QUOTE (AboutBreath)
I honestly didn't know that.


Randi mentions this often. Most of her Freeper callers use the term. Granted, this is a picayune sticking point, but it is one more illustration of how the right has no respect for anyone who doesn't speak their spew.
Hamoth
QUOTE (AboutBreath @ Jul 7 2008, 04:53 PM) *
Absolutely..... you have that right to call Koreans, "gooks" but for one to call another culture such a derogatory slang word is a lot more drastic than using the word Democrat.


The word "Democrat" isn't at issue. It's the phrase "democrat party".

Otherwise, I agree. So now it is a matter of degrees of insensitivity and rudeness that we discuss. How much rudeness should we allow?

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It also seems that Bush has been using the word Democratic a lot more lately too. Since this subject of the use of the word Democrat has come up in this thread, it makes me think about how the Republicans have once again convinced the left to become this self conscience of the word Democrat enough to change it to Democratic.


It has always been the democratic party.

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Just because Bush trains the Democrats to use the word Democratic or consider themselves as democratic, I'll not do it. I don't and will not agree in that the Republicans are democratic nor will I fall for their trickery playing such word games.


huh?
AboutBreath
QUOTE (Hamoth @ Jul 7 2008, 08:13 PM) *
Otherwise, I agree. So now it is a matter of degrees of insensitivity and rudeness that we discuss. How much rudeness should we allow?


I see no degree of rudeness when wording it as the Democrat Party.





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huh?


Bush uses the words democratic all the time. He uses it in the sense that makes the Republican Party working together with the Democratic Party.... as if all that Bush has done is also the work of the 'democratic party'. I will not associate myself being anything Bush. If the Democratic Party wishes to be a part of the Republican Party, then I may need to consider seeking another party. I'll not pass judgement on this too quickly right now, because there's only a few here who have made such a complaint about my using the word Democrat with the word Party together. I have never been challenged before when using the word Democrat and Party together. Never! I'll never conform to anything Bush like either. NEVER!
Randys
QUOTE (Hamoth @ Jul 7 2008, 01:42 AM) *
Counter Billboard:

MLK was a Liberal.
What happened to republicans?

that is actually quite good, Mr. Hamoth cool.gif ....

send it to the campaign, who knows, maybe they will use it...l
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