I think it's about time for THIS TOPIC to be aired on the NET. MSM will not touch this, nor begin to investigate the collusion of CONGRESS with the Neo-CON agenda that perpetuates itself in BOTH parties, to perpetuate corporate atrocities and bullying that has taken over the government of these United States. Empire was never the objective of the "founding fathers" nor the government they instilled thru the precious document they left for us, the Constitution.

The following article presents the question: IS it now Time for "we the People" to seriously consider a second REVOLUTION.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20239.htm


Thomas Jefferson promoted the over throw of any vestige of tyranny that might find its way into the American means of governing its people. And for that reason, Articles for Impeachment he devised for any such occurence BY CONGRESS. It's part of our Constitutional rights!



http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20239.htm
The article speaks volumes to what has been found to exist as a permanent fixture of America's government. Feed back would greatly be appreciated on this subject.

Where else can we go to vent and discuss these atrocities committed through both the Executive and Legislative branches of government. Congress has been painted as weak; a rubber stamp for the President thru its lack of a backbone! I say this is a Neo-Con myth...pure BS! Congress, as individuals have played along, dragged their heels, done everything but DO what the people[not corporate AMERICA] want.

The MSM has propagandized and promoted everything BUT the Truth, the facts, ALL THE FACTS to the matters of the governing of this great people. And it's because INTEGRITY does NOT exist any longer in the fiber of AMERICA journalism.

We believe what these liars have placed upon the table for us to consume, and the chickens have come home to roast, thru lies, misdirections, and total fabrication of reality,by building BS upon 1/4 truths , if that much. The truth is....we have no truth. We are a compilation of myths, and traditions without merit, due to the lack of INTEGRITY and JUSTICE within American government. We talk what we WILL NOT WALK!

We point the finger at this 3rd world nation, or that one---without ever noticing the THREE FINGERS that point back to WHO is avoiding ACCOUNTABILITY for their own vial deeds, all covered up in the BS of American photojournalism, if that's what you call it. . It's time for an ACCOUNTING of CONGRESS and the MSM. This country is lost without a TRUE accounting by EACH and every congress person, PRIOR to NOVEMBER.
Get the Naomi Kleins and the Barbara Boxers of America, out in front with a BULL HORN. And lets VOTE out the hypocrisy of Congress , both parties this November based on WHAT EXACTLY each member has consistently DONE in both their vote, and in their support for AMERICAN values, not corporate/Wall Street/financier values.


What have you done CONGRESS, besides collect from the elite, and do their bidding. And what has OPRAH, or FOX or CNN, or MSNBC, or the NYT, or the Washington POST done to protect the first four amendments? Not a damn thing but run more of the same BS we have been seeing the past 8 years. If OBAMA or McCain gets the presidency, what will really change. NOT a DAMN Thing! How can it? We the people have NOT DONE our job. MAKE THEM ALL ACCOUNT NOW!

Enough said!

So what are you proposing as a solution? What do you mean when you say "consider a second revolution"? Are you talking overthrow or are you talking about a revolution using the ballot box?

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What ever works! With the MSM control on "information" delivered---and a government{CONGRESS} which has definitely bought into "disaster politics" [do nothing until the folks go into the streets] we as a democracy under the direct CONTROL of Corporate elitism, have abdicated our duty to keep things "above board"...out in the OPEN. We have allowed the "bar" to be lowered to the point where most everyone feels there is no USE in demanding an accounting!

We 'll Impech a guy for getting his knob polished in the oval office[ Oh! that's right---he was Impeached for "lying under oath"] and yet ALLOW a cabal to CONTINUE which has been shown to lie at the drop of a hat, which has torn this country a part, diminished Constitutional law and negated the populace into the HAVES [upper 3 % of the wealth] and the LESS fortunate[the middle class] using media hype and advertising[carrots before the donkey] to keep things under-wraps. The HAVES rule! They make the laws and carry them out thru their "toadies" with "smiling faces" and 30 second sound bites. Everything is running as scheduled, according to the "script" that these toadies are given.

We have a "situation" , just as Washington, Jefferson, and Madison had! We are faced with a POWERFUL adversary, who Demands that we follow "their dictates" or else. The else, was as detrimental to the colonies, as it is today to the States, you and I.

ONE WORLD RULE is not the Answer. Globalization is the creation of this "elite", who traffic "disaster Capitalism" {READ The SHOCK DOCTRINE}where ever they can bring their doctrine to bear. And its always presented to 'an ignorant, unknowing people' by those who know better! And we wonder why we are despised and hated amoung peoples around the world. NO! The elite within the third world countries love us ! And why not. They are cut from the same cloth: greed , unchecked power, and the "lust" for unaccountability! JUST DO IT!

Our Constitution gives you and I the right, under a viable democratic [government of and by the people--NOT corporations, and an UNCHECKED few] body , representative of all, not the few---to throw out, and hold those responsible for atrocities[leaders] accountable. Our government , due to an elite controlled propaganda machine, and a CONGRESS of misfortunates who either coward at doing what is "right" by our Constitution, turn away from the dictates of their oath of office, or simply accept the BS and payola of this elitist cabal which has over taken the government.

So what do you, as a citizen, and partaker of the efforts deemed possible, by those men and women of INTEGRITY and Accountable government[which we once had], who laid down their lives to make this nation functional, as a democracy and Republic...What do you think will bring BACK the government delineated in the CONSTITUTION? Not a tyrannical oligarchy whose goal is GOLD, POWER, and keeping the "status Quo" at the expense of everyone else, as is the case today? IS a second REVOULTION called for? hmmmmm

Can you trust the ballot box? Can you trust your representative government? What has been the pattern and what will CHANGE this for sure? Your's to answer citizen!

Gatekeeper

I choose the ballot box and I like to think you would do the same.

The general public is much too comfortable to even consider a revolution.
Take away the gas, cell phones, ipods, apathy, and the fast food joints...then most would reconsider.
Materialism has become the "opiate of the masses".

I honestly have failed to understand how the good Doctor over at ICH does the work he does over there. I simply can't go to that website everyday, not since the torture memos and the pictures. It all broke something in my heart. If you want to get right to the task of the hard news, that's the place to go. Brace yourself and get a massage twice a week.

Let me see......

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/chpt1.htm

The Proposed Anti-Corporate Rule Amendment


http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/amendment.htm

"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket, is best described, I believe as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes." SMEDLEY D. BUTLER - e2 time MOH recipient.


"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." James Madison

“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.”-President Dwight D. Eisenhower , Jan 1961 upon leaving office.

"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people." ~ Theodore Roosevelt

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." Thomas Jefferson

"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation and I care not who writes its laws" Maier Amschel Rothschild international banker/financier

"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is the American Branch of a society which originated in England ... (and) ... believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established."-- Professor of History Carroll Quigley, Georgetown University, in his book "Tragedy and Hope".

"Corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
Abraham Lincoln, in an 1864 letter

The Government is the shadow the Corporations cast over society. The essence of Corporate propaganda is to direct the peoples anger towards the shadow rather than towards the Substance. - Noam Chomsky

When a governmnt fears its people there is liberty. When the people fear their government there is tyranny. -- Thomas Jefferson



Of course my post is my opinion! But I have some very good sources, wouldn't you say? And they also believed in the CHECKS & BALANCES of a Constitution empowered, not relegated to an inept group of government toadies. INTEGRITY and JUSTICE under our Constitution, are the two pillars of a viable democracy. Without either one, you have tyranny/fascism in one form or another.

And Accountability, total ACCOUNTABILITY of each Congress person is the ONLY way to insure the ABOVE. If government cannot be changed, thru the ballot box, as certainly appears to be the case, there is only one other solution. A Second Revolution!

I have not read Naomi Kline's new book, Shock Doctrine but I say her on Tavis Smiley's show (last week?). IIRC Kline graduated from The London School of Economics

http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine
The Shock Doctrine | Naomi Klein

The film:
http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine/short-film
The Shock Doctrine Short Film | Naomi Klein

Thank You ! Two great heads-up pieces fla1sun ! I appreciate the two sites. BUT you NEED to still READ the BOOK! I have never met NK nor do I know her other than what I have pulled off the net. I read, as a former researcher, to gather data. Do I believe everything I read? Certainly not, BUT I consider the information presented, always with a question mark. The jury is always out!

The World Bank, the IMF and the CFR have played pivotal rolls in the over throw of various fledgling democratic regimes around the world, not for "democracy's sake, but for Chicago School economics..."disaster capitalism".

Read "CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HIT MAN" for a full breakdown on HOW it's done- from an "insider" who was responsible for several regime changes by way of economics. The American people are ignorant and without a clue as to the "things" their government has been responsible for, over the last 60 years. Knowledge is POWER. And this is why the "jury is still out" when it comes to AMERICA. But THIS MUST Change, that is, if America is to be empowered as a democracy in truth, not BS.

As for the Ballot box...... what has the past decade shown to you. Does the vote of America's citizens really work? Do we really think that the tally at the end of the day - shows Integrity of the MSM, the "system" of the Status QUO, or what the citizenry, all the citizens really said with their vote? hmmmmm

Florida, Ohio, etc. are just the tip of the "ice berg" of the corruption that has entered in, and played the people for dupes. John Kerry's sudden surge to the top, after the front runner, fell from favor due to MSM manipulation. Why were the ballot boxes not re-assessed in both OHIO and Florida, while the MSM turned its head from the reality- that voter fraud had been committed. And then the quick capitulation to the MSM message, the BUSH has won. Kerry, where was that Integrity and Justice when "we needed it"?
How many times does it take for people to awaken to the fact that elections here are staged, and controlled thru the power of a controlled PRESS and a sinister set of elitist who want to RULE endlessly.

Did the German people not do the same in 1930s, as Americans are doing today? Koolaide comes in many different flavors....whether DEM or REpug produced. The fact is that the horse race has been tampered with , as usual. The colors are "owned" by the same group...and NEO-CON/ NEO-LIBERAL are just horses owned and run by the same folks! As with any colt or philly, on a regiment ordered by and fed on a regular basis....they will respond to the wishes of the OWNER and his "trainer[s]"---corruption begins when one accepts a wrong, as being ok. What will it hurt?

The bar is lowered by that action, even if it is only a mm of change. Who will know?

Integrity, is not accepting the wrong, but bringing forth light to the corruption, where it lies. But our representatives have learned to "accept" what has become natural, the Status quo amongst the controllers[trainers].

The MSM is now in a position to further "cloud" the issues, with misdirection, and hiding the facts from ever reaching the light of day. They have learned to do this , the same as our representatives, thru the "lowering" of the bar! If they, the facts, are not reported, if they are allowed to sink under the pool of "muck and mire" already created by a corrupted system,, what does it matter.

We have our "Reality TV" and Oprah to make the "sickness" go away. I pods, or quick get-aways to "unreality" and distant places to visit- keeps the ball turning. We have SPORTS and Combative exercises in all dimensions to entertain us, so as not to "think to much" about the BS that is going down, keeping the FACTS from the light of day.

As long as that paychecks keep rolling in, and the "wolf at the door" keeps saying nice things---we will just accept that ballot box procedure as it stands, as being JUST and Authentic. And why not, when the media {MSM} continually shows us that "everything is alright" as long as we keep following our leaders, who tell us what to fear! "It's Ok, because we are here for you".

Auschwitz was just something that happened "long long ago" in another TIME and in another PLACE.

So, Keep drinking the Kool-aide. You won't know what 's happened, UNTIL it's too late, as also happened with the German peoples.

Ahh! The MSM wouldn't do that; they couldn't do that, could they? They wouldn't let that happen, would they? Could they? Like FOX in the hen house
hmmmmm



And tyranny's promotions will come by a controlled means of information dispersal...as we can see being played out with today's MSM


The ballot box was also in use in 1933 by the German people, a people who trusted their leaders, and the "message delivery service" in a time of great fear. So, who is watching the Shop citizen, and how will you KNOW if it's paradise, or an OVEN to which you are led?



hmmmmm

A lot of people think things have gotten so much worse.

I dissagree.

You know, when you have a bender, you feel bad afterword? I think that's our current era.

Waking up hurts...but we'll feel better after a hot cup of change.

Materialism and celebrity worship has provided a blind eye towards political affairs. More people vote for an "American Idol" candidate than political candidates. MSM promotes this crap and we swallow it.

On Independence Day, how many folks talked with their kids about what took place on July 4, 1776???? Even this national holiday is reduced to being about fireworks.

We always make excuses when dealing with reality. We live in a fantasy world.

Well put! Neo-Liberalists/Neo-Conservatists have prospered due to Reagan administration's Shift in the taxing structure and the focus on the benefits acquired thru "disaster capitalism", to which MOST of the populace has not a Clue.

Ignorance is "bliss" -that is UNTIL the bill comes due! But we can CHANGE all this, but never by a continuance of the SAME OLD system. WAKE UP PEOPLE! The Bliss is really a MSM myth....created by the "robber BARONS" of today. Let's just have MORE of the SAME, but toned down slightly. Ohh how I love the MSM and the representatives we have in Congress. They know how to FEED us. Change will not come thru a ballot box! Not with this group's mind-set!


PS. Just look at the growth of Empires, and their Eventual DECLINE. HISTORY always repeats itself with this kind of "stinkin Thinkin". It just happens sooner, due to technology!

It's an apt analogy. The erosion of our rights did not happen overnight. The neo-con party has gone on for eight years. It's going to take a willing president and congress to detoxify our current state of affairs and begin to make amends to us as a country and to the world as a whole.

It's going to be a mortal and moral hangover when it hits. Let's try the "hot cup of change" before we start mixing the Molotov cocktails. Audacity of Hope first. The Anarchist's Cookbook only in dire need.

Half truth is not the truth or the facts of the matter! Actually the Neo_CON party began to form under Gerald Ford. And it has been building, one dimension at a time. History can be a great teacher, IF the facts be known. Henry Kissenger, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and the rest of the CABAL began putting the NEO-CON agenda together quite some time ago, not just within the BUSH II administration.

How long does a country keep turning it's head away from the "facts of the matter"! Just begin to look into the national archives [that which we can still pull up], and other archives [foreign especially , if you want to get off the Kool-aide]. It's there, if you're willing to take the "red pill".

But Americans have gotten fat and lazy, like the Loyalists of the 1770s. The King's men, of course, who were more than willing to hang anyone who disagreed with England's rules. Well, we've turned 180 degrees [some of us] from then, depending on which SIDE you come down upon. I prefer the "facts of the matter", and what it will take to remove the "darkness/sickness" upon this land, not Iraq, Iran, or anyother "target".

Truth comes at a steep "price", as our founding fathers found out. And they really did have something to fear, from the people who "cared" for them. Three-fourths of the country were pro-Loyalists, in one form or another. But that was back then. hmmmmm

We are so much better off now! Our class of citizen is so much wiser and knowledgeable today, with their TV, Ipods and stock reports, and hope of "striking it rich". And it stays the same, with just a "slight" change in political savvy! My God! Auschwitz is just around the corner, and we want to keep on with the Status Quo system inplace. Of course, if you think you are a loyalist---then nothing can happen to you. Right?


We were given a wondrous document to establish, maintain, and PROTECT "we the people", but it does not work very well when the CHECKS & BALANCES that did once exist are REMOVED, as was the case by these Neo-Cons, under REAGAN, the great white hope!

The Neo-Cons/Neo-Libs have been eroding away these rights, at a quiet pace, until BUSH II decided to speed up the process, with his henchmen of "loyalists". Hitler, also did the same. But at least he was a little more discrete, before he pulled the plug! He was the people's man. The guy who had the great vision on HOW to Change the Status Quo for fearful persons, bureaucrats, and insiders to a fact of life, as depicted by one of his henchmen




Milton Friedman and his Chicago Boys would be proud of this logic! It works! And all under the guise of democracy. And the ballot box allows it to continue, unnoticed


My efforts are to make things "noticeable", and to call for Fact based expression of the"flawed" analogy that the ballot box makes us free. Freedom is an ongoing process, and it has to be worked upon on a regular basis, just as a good marriage. Have you looked, really looked at what this "system of deception" has been DOING, over and over again?
How can it change when we have FOX in the hen house, and with all it's cronies!

MORE PLEASE!

So you & your ilk can steal another election!!

Ha! bunch of cowards.

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Go get 'em Gatekeeper.
Bullseye!