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RandiRhodes
Back to work ya bastards!

This week FISA comes up in the Senate and while it will include Immunity for Telecoms it will not include immunity for the US Government. A case is proceeding in California where the plaintiff is suing the US Government for spying on their charity group. The Judge is allowing the case to move ahead stating that The President MUST GET A WARRANT under FISA because The President is not above the law.

Our veterans are turning to drugs and suicide. They can’t come back from this war. They may be here but they’re still at war.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iBaroH3...g23anQD91OGO5O0

PFC. Dwyer dead after returning home from Iraq
http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/l...0,1788121.story

FLIP FLOPS or SOMETHING

McCain flip flops like a fish out of water

For a GI bill before he was against it

Against tax cuts before he was for them

Against off shore drilling before he was for it

Against torture before he was for it

For Campaign Finance Reform until he was against it

For Public Financing before he was Against Public Financing before he was for it

Immigration Reform

Gay Marriage

Overturning Roe v Wade

Iraq would be easy

But Obama reiterates his positions on religion, FISA, brining our troops home in a careful manner and suddenly he’s moved to the RIGHT? What? The media repeats it and now guess what? You think it’s true. It’s not.

Are We Helping The 'Flip Flop' Label?

Robert Creamer; Progressives must be wary of reinforcing lies
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-cream...a_b_111098.html

Here’s a partial list of McCain’s flip flops:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/16/m...s-in-two-weeks/

And these
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html

Comments on Obama’s flip flops
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/101

Making SOMETHING out of NOTHING
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8070601765.html


HOMEWORK

Someone Remembered Our Rights

Federal Judge...appointed by Bush I, by the way...says Congress and the President are in wholesale neglect of the Fourth Ammendment. Did I mention the judge was appointed by Bush I?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/washington/03fisa.html

THE VOTE

Over The Weekend: Barack Comment On Iraq Starts A Brushfire

http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/200807030014
"....When I go to Iraq and have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I'm sure I'll have more information and will continue to refine my policies...."

Media sense a backtrack, or flop. McCain Campaign pounces. Obama fights back.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/06/cam...wrap/index.html

His second press conference to douse the flames
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWNgcXaJhPo...feature=related

Cranky Clintonistas Not Warming To Barack
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/04/cli...poll/index.html

Cranky Wingnuts Still Hate Gramps

Sensing their carte blanche control of our national direction is over, conservatives continue to throw tantrums over the GOP's guy
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8070602322.html

Cranky Lefties Hate Everyone

The summer protest season is about to kick into high gear
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...610,print.story

The Sunday Shows:

Righty Fred Barnes Runs At The Mouth

Says 'Iraq is much more important than Afghanistans; Asks McCain campaign...'Wheres the gay bashing'?
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/06/barnes...re-afghanistan/

Admiral Mullen at The Heritage Foundation – The next attack will come from Afghanistan/Pakistan

Afghanistan and Pakistan
I don't like to even bring up Afghanistan without talking about Pakistan, because I think they're linked, and I think we need to make sure our strat­egy includes not just Afghanistan but also Pakistan. We have a heavy focus on the FATA (Federally Administered Tribal Areas), and I think that's right. Clearly, if I were going to pick a place where the next attack is going to come from, that's where al-Qaeda is, and we're going to need to figure out a way to resolve that challenge.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/nationalsecurity/hl1087.cfm

So What Was Up In Columbia?

John McCain makes a strangely irregular high campaign season detour to Columbia...and we get the heroic rescue of captured Americans. Fox News hints it was planned. Liberal bloggers....and the McCain Campaign....say hogwash. The story dies in the holiday weekend news cycle. Pure coincidence? Or was this a Rovian style 'test case' in how to manipulate national security events to benefit Gramps?
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/02/mccain-colombia/

Related...

So Now We're Looking For Him?

Bush says 'get Bin Laden' before he leaves office
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle4138791.ece

But Will An 'October Surprise' Hurt...or Help...the Dems?
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/node/5399/print

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/200...rise/print.html

IRAQ

Salute The Troops This Weekend? Really?

Iraq vet from famous photo overdoses; family blames post-traumatic stress...


"He just couldn't get over the war," Maureen Dwyer said. "He just couldn't do it. Just wasn't Joseph. Joseph never came home."
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/ne...t_id=1003824518

70% of Iraq without clean water
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/30/...in3113236.shtml


OIL

"Oil Should Be $144 a barrel"

Ten years ago, bin Laden dreamed of making the West pay. Enter George W. Bush.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/05/bin-laden-144-oil/

BUSINESS

They Own Everything

A useful, concise cable channel goes corporate; NBC buys The Weather Channel....goodbye weather reports, hello 'Hurricane Cooking With Al Roker'
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/business.../07weather.html
Alildotonearth
QUOTE (RandiRhodes @ Jul 7 2008, 01:25 PM) *
Back to work ya bastards!

Our veterans are turning to drugs and suicide. They can’t come back from this war. They may be here but they’re still at war.

But Obama reiterates his positions on religion, FISA, brining our troops home in a careful manner and suddenly he’s moved to the RIGHT? What? The media repeats it and now guess what? You think it’s true. It’s not.


"Oil Should Be $144 a barrel"


I remember becoming friends with a group of Vets in a local bar one time. There was an incident, I unknowingly pushed the wrong button. A friend of a friend said to me something like, "Don't worry about him, he is still on a hill in Vietnam". I don't think a barroom is group therapy. However, isolation and disrespect will keep any man or women suffering in life. It takes a community.

Labeling people and/or ideas is not cool to me and yet sometimes it is necessary as a frame of reference. But, whatever happen to free thinking ? Did the reincarnation of Goebells and his minions make free thinking illegal ? Was not the country founded by free thinkers ?

Immigration reform was killed with about one statement being used by Senator Cornyn of Texas in my opinion, "This Bill is amnesty". I considered the source and thought, "That has got to be a false statement". When Universal Healthcare is put on the table for debate automatically some people will scream "This is socialism !!!" So it does not surprise me that Obama is accused of going "right" because that's just what these people do, label things.

In free thinking getting by contempt prior to investigation is difficult. Majority of Illegal aliens are just trying to make a buck to send it back home to their families. A handful of them are criminals in the scope of things, but I can't blame anyone doing what needs to be done to get out of poverty. We could think about helping them get out of poverty in a legal manner. Saint Bono likes the idea of buying them tractors so they can make a living at home wherever poor people are in the world.

So, now I am reprogramming my own brain to forget about the label, is it a good or bad idea. Have to weigh both sides of the equations and the bullshitters just get in the way. Actually I rely on Durbin and Sessions to give me some rational mainstream opinions from time to time through the span.

Earle dropped about 4 dollars per barrel today at one time through G7 summit on dedications made for keeping the dollar strong. If that dollar increases in value we may just have a G8 again one day. I don't buy any extremist motives purely on the "God" motivation. Usually there are only a few motives to commit a crime from petty larceny to terrorist acts. One of those motives is money. I mean people can act like freedom fighters or they can act like merconaries if someone is getting paid to lead their efforts, follow the money. Nigeria is an interesting case which produces instability in the Earle industry from time to time, like Columbia Redux, cough-cough. And Nigeria is known for its virtual conmen with alot of interesting emails well known to the FBI and interpol. I could just buy some specific stocks, tell my rebels to go sieze a drilling platform and then watch my portfolio grow. Alot of money changes hands for terrorist incidents and authorities know that very well.

Let's get this party started Lord, lock-n-load, Hoo-Rah !!!
mstaggerlee
Posted this on Hartmann's page before his show started this morning - turned out to be kinda off-topic, so it attracted little attention. Maybe it''ll do better here - discuss amongst yourselves ...

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OK - people wanna know what we can do about fuel prices, and how we can prevent this trend from spreading. It's pretty simple, really.

We need an effective way to enforce prohibitions against MARKET MANIPULATION. WTF is THAT, you ask? Well, that's pretty simple too.

Let's say I'm the world's largest grower of Avocados. Let's further say that there is an overseas commodities market that deals in Guacamole futures. If I double my Avocado production this year, there will be a glut of Guacamole, and the cost of Guacamole futures will drop like an anvil thrown out of a helicopter. If my wife then buys up a pot-load of them CHEAP Guacamole futures, and I STOP growing Avocados next season, I will create a global Guacamole shortage, and the value of the futures my wife bought on the cheap (because _I_ depressed the price) will skyrocket! Got that?

The above is EXACTLY what Kenny-Boy Lay did with Electricity at Enron, and it's also essentially what the oil speculators are doing now. We HAVE laws that prohibit such transactions from occurring on DOMESTIC stock exchanges (NYSE, AMEX, etc.), but we need an enforceable way to prevent PRODUCERS of commodities from investing in futures of the commodities THAT THEY PRODUCE in FOREIGN markets.
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Stagger steps off soapbox ...

egghead
Randi's post:
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So What Was Up In Columbia?

John McCain makes a strangely irregular high campaign season detour to Columbia...and we get the heroic rescue of captured Americans. Fox News hints it was planned. Liberal bloggers....and the McCain Campaign....say hogwash. The story dies in the holiday weekend news cycle. Pure coincidence? Or was this a Rovian style 'test case' in how to manipulate national security events to benefit Gramps?
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/02/mccain-colombia/


Happened on to this show in the middle of it, and thought it was a docudrama. When the media plays this repeatedly, eh, somethings up.

I, like God, do not play with dice and I don't believe in coincidences. ~ V

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Meanwhile:
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Oh my Gosh!! Is Obama losing his base? Alert the media!!! rolleyes.gif

(and I'm sure McCain/Bush campaign did)
TapDuncan
Happy Monday All
roborok
QUOTE (TapDuncan @ Jul 7 2008, 11:33 AM) *
Happy Monday All


Back atcha,Tap!! thumbsup.gif
imbatman
Majority of Illegal aliens are just trying to make a buck to send it back home to their families. A handful of them are criminals in the scope of things, but I can't blame anyone doing what needs to be done to get out of poverty

Guess what they are all criminals. They broke the law! Illegal Alien says it all. You can't blame anyone doing what needs to be done to get out of poverty. Okay, so when someone, God forbid, breaks into your home and steals your TV and stereo, and jewels and money I guess that's okay. They'll be doing it to get out of poverty.
mstaggerlee
QUOTE (imbatman @ Jul 7 2008, 02:42 PM) *
Majority of Illegal aliens are just trying to make a buck to send it back home to their families. A handful of them are criminals in the scope of things, but I can't blame anyone doing what needs to be done to get out of poverty

Guess what they are all criminals. They broke the law! Illegal Alien says it all. You can't blame anyone doing what needs to be done to get out of poverty. Okay, so when someone, God forbid, breaks into your home and steals your TV and stereo, and jewels and money I guess that's okay. They'll be doing it to get out of poverty.


That was a point Thom Hartmann made this morning - You wanna combat handgun violence? FIGHTING POVERTY will be more effective than restricting gun ownership!!
mstaggerlee
The following is a quote from the piece Randi referred to in her post -Cranky Clintonistas Not Warming To Barack - http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/04/cli...oll/index.html:

"In another sign the wounds of the heated primary race have yet to heal, 43 percent of registered Democrats polled still say they would prefer Clinton to be the party's presidential nominee."

How are the WOUNDS supposed to HEAL, WHEN YOU BASTIDS KEEP PICKING AT THEM????? tirade.gif
bobjfs
Hi, friends.

I would very much appreciate you posting links to the 9 second and 1:23 minute media clips from the weekend of Sen. Obama talking about his Iraq withdrawal strategy.

Yes, I've read Greg Palast. The press gets things wrong and takes its eye off the ball.

Heck, I've run for office. One reporter, a young kid of about 22, couldn't keep up with what I was saying, so in true Bob and Ray skit fashion (Slow Talkers of America), I slowed way down so he could take down every syllable. He still got it wrong. But he wasn't malicious. He was new at his job, and I was able to fix it with an editorial comment.

This, though, sounds malicious. By editing the clip down to 9 seconds, they completely distort the statement.

I want to edit the two clips together to show people what's going on. I want to spread it as viral video and name names of the networks and, if possible, the producers/editors who did this malicious editing. I want to see the networks explain this bit of editing to their faithful viewers.

Thanks!
Bob

Alildotonearth
QUOTE (imbatman @ Jul 7 2008, 02:42 PM) *
Guess what they are all criminals. They broke the law! Illegal Alien says it all. You can't blame anyone doing what needs to be done to get out of poverty. Okay, so when someone, God forbid, breaks into your home and steals your TV and stereo, and jewels and money I guess that's okay. They'll be doing it to get out of poverty.


Watching Senate Hearings starting with a Judiciary Panel lead by the Ranking Republican back then The Honorable Senator Specter from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, it became apparent to me that majority of crimes committed by illegal aliens have illegal aliens as their victims. So when someone claims an illegal alien will steal my tv, that may or may not be true. A crackhead will nearly total my car just to steal the radio for crack. I once put up a guy to give him a jumpstart at recovery from his poverty due to addiction. He stole a rug, a knife and my cigs so I got rid of him. Another couple I put up for awhile were great company. I think they got the jumpstart needed by them. And oh be careful who you talk to, my stepmother is processing through citizenship right now. She happens to be a native of Mexico City, Mexico. Her family still lives in that well publicized Hell hole of drug crime.

Any Questions ?
Alildotonearth
QUOTE (mstaggerlee @ Jul 7 2008, 02:54 PM) *
That was a point Thom Hartmann made this morning - You wanna combat handgun violence? FIGHTING POVERTY will be more effective than restricting gun ownership!!


If you check out the DEA website, there are maps of specific drug epidemics. In awarding certain federal contracts, there are demographics to consider. Like, maybe, a poor county would need economic stimulation over a well to do county. Legislators have this tendency to get contracts for their own people like earmarks. I could give you a case study but I won't em-bare-ass anyone today. If you read the stats on income and revenues generated on a local and state level in Alaska, if Anwar would to be opened, then you would understand my argument that opening up 1/1000 of a federal land reserve for strategic and stabilizing fossil fuel internal assets is really to me a counter-action to poverty, since Alaska is the highest recepient of earmarks and subsidies and etc of any of the states of the union. People say, "Save the Caribou". I wonder if the oil companies paid them to say that ? There is a sucker born everyday.
imbatman
my stepmother is processing through citizenship right now. She happens to be a native of Mexico City, Mexico. Her family still lives in that well publicized Hell hole of drug crime

I think this is wonderful! When someone born in a foreign country comes here through proper legal channels they are obviously a benefit to this great nation of ours. My only problem with immegration are those who disregard our laws and our sovereignty. Illegal Aliens are just that illegal, and therefore criminals.

I was not suggesting an illegal would break into the home, I was using an example of anyone person breaking the law in the name of poverty is wrong no matter how you slice it, same thing for entering our country illegally. It is wrong.
Alildotonearth
QUOTE (imbatman @ Jul 7 2008, 04:17 PM) *
I was not suggesting an illegal would break into the home, I was using an example of anyone person breaking the law in the name of poverty is wrong no matter how you slice it, same thing for entering our country illegally. It is wrong.


Oh bullshit, the Extremist Capitalists want them here for cheap labor, ever hear of Slavery ? Allowing people to starve to death, live under dictatorships and label them "criminals" because they are scouted by scum employers is wrong. Stop bothering me.
imbatman
QUOTE (Alildotonearth @ Jul 7 2008, 04:24 PM) *
Oh bullshit, the Extremist Capitalists want them here for cheap labor, ever hear of Slavery ? Allowing people to starve to death, live under dictatorships and label them "criminals" because they are scouted by scum employers is wrong. Stop bothering me.

I agree with you. The best way to stop the "slavery" is to secure the borders and impose the laws we already have in place. When we catch illegals crossing our borders we send them back just as we should send those already here whenever they are caught. There should be huge fines levied against anyone or any corporation hiring illegals.
RandiLover
While Mrs. first lady Bush was pushing say no to drugs, good O'l Raygun was flying C-130s in with drugs, which one of them was a great show on 60 minutes. The inspector that stopped the shipment lost his job.

Our government has been taken over by criminals every time we voted Repug. Then the dems got the same treatment by Clinton, to a lesser extent, but he did setup Bush Jr for the best crime ever.

If there is a God above, I say this knowing there is one through personal experience, not drinking cool-aid followed by a meteor shower, we will get someone to pull this country together. The alternative is the last days scenario and I personally think that one sucks. I read the end of the book, and have been on the other side. I really don't need a cactus enema in between.
Alildotonearth
QUOTE (imbatman @ Jul 7 2008, 04:33 PM) *
I agree with you. The best way to stop the "slavery" is to secure the borders and impose the laws we already have in place. When we catch illegals crossing our borders we send them back just as we should send those already here whenever they are caught. There should be huge fines levied against anyone or any corporation hiring illegals.


Blah, Blah, Blah, opinions are like Cheneys, everyone has one. Yes, those illegal aliens could be carrying dirty bombs, scary man scary.

A moderate approach working with Capitalists, Socialists, Republicans, Democrats and Centrists is to uphold laws which are practical. Do you drive at 65 mph on the speedway ? I am sure you do, not. Some highways will cause whiplash driving at 65mph.

Labor force is a function of Commerce. When Commerce is high there is a need for workers. When commerce is low, there is less of a need of workers. There is a basic standard of living requirement which is reflected through, I don't know, minimum wage ? Some are lucky enough even to get benefits like I don't know Healthcare ? Have you purchased gasolene lately Mr. Label them "Criminals" ? I smell a Rove I do, I smell a Rove.

Keep bothering me, I find your kind amusing, rallllllly I do.
imbatman
QUOTE (Alildotonearth @ Jul 7 2008, 04:53 PM) *
Blah, Blah, Blah, opinions are like Cheneys, everyone has one. Yes, those illegal aliens could be carrying dirty bombs, scary man scary.

A moderate approach working with Capitalists, Socialists, Republicans, Democrats and Centrists is to uphold laws which are practical. Do you drive at 65 mph on the speedway ? I am sure you do, not. Some highways will cause whiplash driving at 65mph.

Labor force is a function of Commerce. When Commerce is high there is a need for workers. When commerce is low, there is less of a need of workers. There is a basic standard of living requirement which is reflected through, I don't know, minimum wage ? Some are lucky enough even to get benefits like I don't know Healthcare ? Have you purchased gasolene lately Mr. Label them "Criminals" ? I smell a Rove I do, I smell a Rove.

Keep bothering me, I find your kind amusing, rallllllly I do.


Okay I'm not even talking about the possible terrorist that could come in through our insecure borders. I'm talking about people disregarding our laws.
It's nice to see you're advocating "slavery" now. And the impracticle law excuse is really getting old. Going after crack addicts is impracticle too, there are always going to be crack addicts so we should just allow them to do whatever they want, even if that means stealing or killing to get their next fix. Going after drivers speeding on the interstate is just as impracticle but for some reason I get a ticket when I break the speed limit. How impracticle. The laws are not impracticle if they are enforced. People caught crossing the border are sent back. Illegals caught here are sent back.
Your above statement has nothing to do with the fact that people entering this great nation of ours are breaking the law, thus they are criminals. Please prove me wrong.
I'm glad you find me just as amusing as I find you.
fla1sun

So What Was Up In Columbia?

John McCain makes a strangely irregular high campaign season detour to Columbia...and we get the heroic rescue of captured Americans. Fox News hints it was planned. Liberal bloggers....and the McCain Campaign....say hogwash. The story dies in the holiday weekend news cycle. Pure coincidence? Or was this a Rovian style 'test case' in how to manipulate national security events to benefit Gramps?
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/02/mccain-colombia/

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There's more:

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/3611
U.S. Military Looks to Colombia to Replace Base in Ecuador | venezuelanalysis.com


Lotta info in there.....
mstaggerlee
QUOTE (imbatman @ Jul 7 2008, 05:41 PM) *
Okay I'm not even talking about the possible terrorist that could come in through our insecure borders. I'm talking about people disregarding our laws.
It's nice to see you're advocating "slavery" now. And the impracticle law excuse is really getting old. Going after crack addicts is impracticle too, there are always going to be crack addicts so we should just allow them to do whatever they want, even if that means stealing or killing to get their next fix. Going after drivers speeding on the interstate is just as impracticle but for some reason I get a ticket when I break the speed limit. How impracticle. The laws are not impracticle if they are enforced. People caught crossing the border are sent back. Illegals caught here are sent back.
Your above statement has nothing to do with the fact that people entering this great nation of ours are breaking the law, thus they are criminals. Please prove me wrong.
I'm glad you find me just as amusing as I find you.


Honestly, _I_ am finding BOTH of you positively HYSTERICAL! horse.gif

imbatman - Do you REALLY get a ticket EACH and EVERY time you drive above the speed limit? Jeez, pal you must be the unluckiest sonofabitch in the freakin' universe!

alilidotonearth - Give yo' stepmama a hug for me - she's doin' it the right way, & bless her for it! What the BOTH of you have gotta try & work out afterwards is how to make things better for the rest of the family, whether or not they come here.

Randi's take on all this applies quite well here (once again, the Goddess knows best wink.gif ) - We're NEVER gonna fix the problem of illegal immigration from Mexico until we fix the Mexican ECONOMY!

Peace - Out!
imbatman
QUOTE (mstaggerlee @ Jul 7 2008, 06:08 PM) *
Honestly, _I_ am finding BOTH of you positively HYSTERICAL! horse.gif

imbatman - Do you REALLY get a ticket EACH and EVERY time you drive above the speed limit? Jeez, pal you must be the unluckiest sonofabitch in the freakin' universe!

alilidotonearth - Give yo' stepmama a hug for me - she's doin' it the right way, & bless her for it! What the BOTH of you have gotta try & work out afterwards is how to make things better for the rest of the family, whether or not they come here.

Randi's take on all this applies quite well here (once again, the Goddess knows best wink.gif ) - We're NEVER gonna fix the problem of illegal immigration from Mexico until we fix the Mexican ECONOMY!

Peace - Out!

Glad I was able to add a bright spot in your day. No I don't get a ticket EVERYTIME, but thanks for askin.
So exactly how are we supposed to fix another country's economy anyway and when did that become our responsibility?
Alildotonearth
QUOTE (mstaggerlee @ Jul 7 2008, 06:08 PM) *
Honestly, _I_ am finding BOTH of you positively HYSTERICAL! horse.gif

alilidotonearth - Give yo' stepmama a hug for me - she's doin' it the right way, & bless her for it! What the BOTH of you have gotta try & work out afterwards is how to make things better for the rest of the family, whether or not they come here.

Peace - Out!


Oh my, you do not know me too well. I will pass your blessing on to her. Funny thing though, America does not have a minimum wage earning ability requirement for immigrants. Mexico and Canada have a requirement of wage earning ablility to immigrate to their countries. Hysterical, hmmm, I guess I won't go there.
Alildotonearth
QUOTE (mstaggerlee @ Jul 7 2008, 06:08 PM) *
Honestly, _I_ am finding BOTH of you positively HYSTERICAL! horse.gif

alilidotonearth - Give yo' stepmama a hug for me - she's doin' it the right way, & bless her for it! What the BOTH of you have gotta try & work out afterwards is how to make things better for the rest of the family, whether or not they come here.

Peace - Out!


Oh my, you do not know me too well. I will pass your blessing on to her. Funny thing though, America does not have a minimum wage earning ability requirement for immigrants. Mexico and Canada have a requirement of wage earning ablility to immigrate to their countries. Hysterical, hmmm, I guess I won't go there.
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