whether you like it or not. FISA, Iraq, Middle East policy... McCain is who the "Corporate" own media wants. They were very afriad of Hillary and knew they could beat Obama. The media with the help of leftwingers brought down Hillary. Now we got Obama and the MSM is going to rip his ass to pieces bit by bit.

Ya hey der, for cry aye, oh brudder, where's a good fish fry?

Hide the childrens!

Apparently varoom has it all figured out.

One thing. (puts up one finger) The people are coming. I know, cliche', but we are many, and we don't need the owned media or bitter Hillarys.

Obama should slam the door on that, and stop worrying about paying off her bills.

http://www.examiner.com/a-538597~_The_Obam...n_the_war_.html

above was before

below is now


"I have seen no information that contradicts the notion that we can bring our troops out safely at a pace of one to two brigades per month," a frustrated Obama said.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hXDDvt...ZhU1Am0JmXx98Lw


i am not seeing the change, refine can mean anything

Naturally... what should we expect from Nazi propagandists?

I want to troops home, but I think that it should be done in a responsible manner, which has been Obama’s position from day one. If it looks like pulling out is going to widen the war into a regional conflict, then I would rather we stay and enlist the help of the UN and neighbors in the region before we pull out. I don’t think that any anti-war activist would be in favor of pulling out of Iraq if it meant a big and wider regional conflict, with even more death and destruction. That would be in direct conflict with the concept of peace that we are advocating.

If Obama can do anything in one year after being sworn in, given how fucked up the government currently is, I will be impressed.

BushCo has spent seven years breaking the government, stripping its gears so to speak, that it can barely run. Why no one talks about how much work Obama will have just in putting the executive branch back together after Bush, amazes me.

I'm worried about you...your grip on reality is getting tenuous at best...get help!

I am sorry you feel that way. There is no blogger or media event that changed my opinion of Hillary. She pandered like no one I have ever seen in my life time. Only McSame beats her and she promoted him in the primaries, so who's side is she on? You need to go back and look at the statements she made on her campaign trail. My own family told me that it is politics, she needs to lie to win. I am sick of this attitude. Obama looks at this political situation as a living breathing thing. His core values have stayed in place, but he is changing with the changing world only slightly as the information is brought to his attention. I too have been upset with his FISA stance, till I learned a bit more about his tactics. I am back on boat with him for now.

actually they were dying to run against Hillary

Agreed, HRC's negatives were a huge reason I turned to Obama for a candidate, she is so polarizing even Dems attacked her when the opportunity presented itself. Look at a few posts above, HRC promoted McCain?????? Give me a break I recall at least a dozen times when she said her or Obama were clearly better candidates than McCain, at least a dozen times. She talked of McCain favorably ONCE and that time alone is all it took to make people think she is promoting McCain.

There is something about that poor woman that makes people totally irrational, she would not have won in November, not a chance in hell.

All Obama has to do is not screw up and the job is his, the country is just beat and ready for something different. The repugs know it, this is another Bob Dole situation, and Obama is gonna steamroll in November if everyone can just stop being batshit for a minute.

This election choice is even simpler than in 1964.

Vote Democratic = chance to survive and even thrive
Vote Republican = destroy the entire planet and end all life as we know it

Simple choice.

I liked what Obama said about refining his views, that they could change - they should, shouldn't they? ...all we've gotten the last 7 years is "stay the course."

I think people should be able to change their minds. That's what thinking people do? If new information is presented, then one should change their opinion if warranted.

This thing this weekend really spook me. Maybe im just traumatized from the last 10 years of this but the majority of the Media coming through my TV decided to very deliberately turn its back on the facts on this one. They Grabbed hold of this talking point with both hands and would not let go. There was an exchange on A show on MSNBC between Mo Scarborough and Rachel Maddow where she gets Joe to replay the clip, it clearly demonstrates Rachel's point and Scumborough just denies the tape hes just played. He then does his best to belittle and humiliate her with personal type attacks. I really felt like it was 5 years ago and a single reasonable voice was just being mocked and shouted down.
Heres the you tube clip. I know this stuff is form another network, with a host from another network but i just felt like it sums up the whole thing so well.


PS
first post on the new board

Your post seems foolish to me.

They were afraid of Hillary? This old point? No, they're afraid of obama.
I'm afraid for you. Move on please!

Gosh, another "I hate Obama" thread started by Suzuki. Who'd a thunk.

Have you tried any other topics lately kiddo? Maybe you should, this stuff has to be getting old for you. I know it certainly is getting old for the rest of us.

Why not start something about motorcycles in Happy Hour? Surely that would be of more interest and less irritating.

nothing at all wrong with links like this...welcome, by the way...

Pretty much, yup...

Obama has not changed positions on Iraq. This is a lie.

Exactly

Welcome again!

That was like a flashback to pre-Katrina media days!

Rachel exposes Scarborough every time. Thought Scarborough was gonna start to snort like O'Reilly there and had to have his "vote" and attack Rachel with Hillary "cackle" remark to try and shut her up. What an a-hole. Would love to see Randi knock him on his ass!

The Colbert quote about Bush:


I don't think Obama's changed his position, but for some reason, pig-headedness is now seen as strength and not potentially destructive when it comes to politics...

Welcome ARW001
xoxox

WELCOME!

I felt the exact same way. I got so mad about this that I sent an abusive letter to an LAT journalist who I was supposed to speak with today.

I'm too nervous to call him.

I am laughing and laughing at the remark that the Corporate owned media was or is "afraid" of Hilliary. Yup, Stephan-o-polis and old Charlie Gibson were shaking in their boots out of fear of Hilliary at the last ABC debate.

Ya know, Gawd forbid anyone to check facts or current events. We are in Iraq at the invitation of Iraqis through a United Nations agreement. That agreement is expiring at the end of December I think. According to the President of Iraq, Iraqis are defeating terrorism now. Today, or yesterday their time, The President said he is floating an idea of a timeline withdrawl of American forces. You see, when it comes down to it, like in reality, McCain and Obama will never become the President of Iraq. Now where was I, cats, that's it, the future is in live cats.

Wow. An invitation. Like to a party? Then we killed 600,000 of the guests...

And terrorism?? Do you pronounce that as "tirr-E-sum"?? Like our selected President??

I think the so-called terrorism is called Al Qaeda which was a CIA sponsored organization that we supported back in the 80s that regrouped in Iraq after we got there and killed 600,000 plus members of this big party that we were invited to via the UN.

I don't Obama wants to be president of Iraq. At least I haven't read that on his website. If you've seen him say that, then please post your source.

And my cat has a better knowledge of facts then you seem to have...

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good post and welcome

My memory source quote is from Dr. Secretary Rice, would you dispute her words ? Also, I am memory source quoting from The President of Iraq's statements in reference to security arrangements in the future. Although the Whitehouse likes to say those arrangements are close to settlement, the President of Iraq said, paraphrasing, hold on, we got until late December until that Security agreement through the United Nations expires. So there are these common wealth matters of Oil profits, Security and Stability to be worked out by Iraqis themselves. In addition there are Provincial elections not having been completed. I will comply to board rules to look up these arguments but not right now, I am thinking about live cats as a renewable energy source.

My father, McBush supporter, said "Obama got it because "they" wanted him." I'm not sure who "they" are, but I don't think that any of the party insiders wanted Obama this time last year. He came out of no where and "stole" it from HRC. Like they wanted a controversial and ground breaking candidate in a year where it seemed that the Dems could not loose. They wanted safe. WE THE PEOPLE spoke and we got what we wanted for the first time in a long time.

Everybody notice how that repuker pig, Scarshit had 3 other neocons on that panel against Rachel & she held her own? Great link,ARW0001 & Welcome To The Board!!!

Attn: Hamoth

Run this one by your cat and get back to me ok ?

"...The United States and Iraq are negotiating a status of forces agreement and a separate "strategic framework" to replace the existing U.N. mandate governing the U.S. troop presence. The mandate expires at the end of this year. A growing and bipartisan number of U.S. lawmakers have demanded that the Bush administration submit the agreements for congressional approval..."*


*Washington Post
Iraq Wants U.S. to Compromise More on Security Deals
By Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 22, 2008; Page A11

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8042101434.html

The McCain Campaign Is Trying Do Define When He Should Be Asking Bush To Resign.

Barack Obama Is Working To Refine and Design A Logical Coherent Exit Strategy Out Of Iraqi and that Is The Fact.

How The Republican Dominated Media Corporations Act To Distract the Facts And Reacts To Favor There Cash Cow Savior Though There Deceitful Behavior.

That’s Just Fine For Them To Be Blind Because The Voters Are Saying Never Mind
And Saying Yes We Can Elect A President That Understands the needs so we can proceed and be finely relived That Justice Is Retrieved. And More Campaign Donations For Barack Obama To Stop The Drama.




O Yes Indeed McCain Can Perceive Yet He Is Getting Harder and Harder To Believe . Cause We Hate To Be Deceived By A Beer Baron Who Eant In To Sharing Or caring

Careen on down The Low road All Daring And Bold Without The Constitution You Sold And Your Really Really Cold . And Its Getting Old.


In ARTICAL VI

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be maid in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, Shall be the Supreme Law of the Land;

ARTICAL II Section 2
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice

Exactly, my friend. And as long as Democratic candidates remember that, all will be well with them.


You really want to know the extent of the joy I experienced when Clinton finally called it quits? Do ya?

As a prisoner of Bill Clinton's Drug War, I could not have dreamed of a better opportunity to rub his sorry face in the dirt. So for the nearly one million non violent, respectable, hard working people (most of them black btw) that he railroaded into prisons across the country, I was pleased to be a part of the Blog Swarm aimed at tearing them both to the ground.
Revenge is sweet.

So now Bill, and his ol' lady, look like losers. Exposed, not just by "leftwingers" but by their own self-centrisim, for the two-faced vermin they really are.


Obama is not perfect, good, but not perfect. But you see, it really doesn't matter.
He's not a Bush or a Clinton, so I'm one happy motherfucker.



Regards,

I have no idea what you mean by this. I think you need to elaborate.
PS: Not a cat person.

I am truly sorry Hamoth, Dan from LA. was yanking my chain up above and said his cat had more knoweledge than I. Apparently in my reaction I typed your nickname and not his nickname. I was thinking, since the plane Obama was traveling in today popped its deacceleration shoot in midair, maybe I should slowdown too. I hope you don't take offense to the mixup, if you do, I understand.

Subject was that regardless of the rhetoric of the day, President of Iraq, the head of the Iraqi government, has until the end of December to negoiatiate internally for the future role of American troops in Iraq through United Nations Security agreement.

Remains to be seen if United States Congress will attempt to intervene through the War Powers Act which contains the War Powers Resolution statute. The resolution statute has been invoked several times in recent history through Lebanon and Somalia I believe. If you want me to confirm that I will.

No worries. I was far too confused to be offended. I scanned through the thread thinking...huh...I wonder what I said this time...

Yea, sorry again, I did not mean to confuse you like I was a trained disinformationist from the no so late and late unpleasantries. The media runs on bullshit now when America wants accountability. Have Madox and Rhodes pointing out Obama's position has not changed but overall the Press is still ignoring the facts, as usual.

Yea, sorry again, I did not mean to confuse you like I was a trained disinformationist from the no so late and late unpleasantries. The media runs on bullshit now when America wants accountability. Have Madox and Rhodes pointing out Obama's position has not changed but overall the Press is still ignoring the facts, as usual.

We do not operate on "memory sources" here at the RR message board. If you would take the time to go look at Randi's homework section, then you will find that every statement she makes is backed up with a verifiable source. Often two or three.

Quoting Dr. Rice from "memory" is not a valid argument. You stated the Iraqi people invited the US to invade them and occupy them. And you said the UN. Where are the actual documents and sources to back up that claim?

If you can't find them or don't understand how to find them, then call into Randi and state your position to her and discuss it on the air. It would prove most interesting to us.

you mean now as opposed to before we preemptively invaded them and killed hundreds of thousands of their people?