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Dan-From-LA
I agree with Randi that many of the mainstream liberal blogs are as guilty as the MSM in their lack of coverage concerning Obama's recent statements on not just the war, but FISA and the Faith Based initiative. Do we need to be as skeptical of HuffPost, RawStory, Kos and other blogs as we do the MSM? Which ones are to be trusted?
L-Rey-LA
I think what Randi said about Fred Barnes acting like they "need" the old wedge issues applies to all media.

If Huntington Post others only "feature" the more objective, analytical approach Obama represents they are just as guilty.

The change will be new media and politics IMO. We are seeing the growing pains.
TapDuncan
The MSM is the mouth piece of the RW, so little chance of changing their minds, but as for the blogs, I take Huffpo with a grain of salt, as I do with Kos, and the others. They want hard left positions on everything, and it can't happen with the MSM supporting the destruction of the middle class, that's what the middle class doesn't understand, because of the MSM!!! Talk about a circle jerk, sheesh!!
L-Rey-LA
QUOTE (TapDuncan @ Jul 7 2008, 01:05 PM) *
The MSM is the mouth piece of the RW, so little chance of changing their minds, but as for the blogs, I take Huffpo with a grain of salt, as I do with Kos, and the others. They want hard left positions on everything, and it can't happen with the MSM supporting the destruction of the middle class, that's what the middle class doesn't understand, because of the MSM!!! Talk about a circle jerk, sheesh!!

I agree. It's also media as cash cow.

Huffington Post is now ads and E! Crazy times - that's also what O'Reilly was saying!
TapDuncan
Oh yeah, Huffpo takes forever to load, is full of ads, and little substance. I used to love it but not anymore, it's like one big ego trip for her, and she lost sight of the mission, Rawstory same way, but at least they let you go add free. I think Buzzflash is the most centered site that I go to, although it's annoying how they don't remove old stories. Think Progress is my go to site, first and last of every day. Objective and thorough. Also they understand the issues of Obama winning.
L-Rey-LA
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Dessalines
QUOTE (Dan-From-LA @ Jul 7 2008, 03:53 PM) *
I agree with Randi that many of the mainstream liberal blogs are as guilty as the MSM in their lack of coverage concerning Obama's recent statements on not just the war, but FISA and the Faith Based initiative. Do we need to be as skeptical of HuffPost, RawStory, Kos and other blogs as we do the MSM? Which ones are to be trusted?



I think some of those named above are being a bit hysterical and may be trying to micro-manage a bit too much.  I do not they are intentionally trying to subvert him.

Dan-From-LA
QUOTE (L-Rey-LA @ Jul 7 2008, 03:09 PM) *
I agree. It's also media as cash cow.

Huffington Post is now ads and E! Crazy times - that's also what O'Reilly was saying!


HuffPost was also one of the first blogs to print verbatim the lies of Geraldine Ferraro in relation to Randi's dismissal from AAR. After that, I've been checking their headlines with growing skepticism. They seem more and more tabloid. Blaring headlines to draw you in, and after the fold, partial stories at best from other sources.

Also, on my computer at least, HuffPost now has annoying Pop Up ads.

Dessalines
QUOTE (Dan-From-LA @ Jul 7 2008, 04:30 PM) *
HuffPost was also one of the first blogs to print verbatim the lies of Geraldine Ferraro in relation to Randi's dismissal from AAR. After that, I've been checking their headlines with growing skepticism. They seem more and more tabloid. Blaring headlines to draw you in, and after the fold, partial stories at best from other sources.

Also, on my computer at least, HuffPost now has annoying Pop Up ads.

They really do have a tendency to sensationalize the headlines.  Oft times their headlines don't even match the story.  


L-Rey-LA
QUOTE (Dan-From-LA @ Jul 7 2008, 01:30 PM) *
HuffPost was also one of the first blogs to print verbatim the lies of Geraldine Ferraro in relation to Randi's dismissal from AAR. After that, I've been checking their headlines with growing skepticism. They seem more and more tabloid. Blaring headlines to draw you in, and after the fold, partial stories at best from other sources.

Also, on my computer at least, HuffPost now has annoying Pop Up ads.

I'd say Arianna is making the same mistake Hillary did on media side - listening to consultants.

There's a big opportunity out there for a media outlet to truly represent the new paradigm though Arianna is making a killing supposedly.

egghead
QUOTE (Dan-From-LA @ Jul 7 2008, 03:30 PM) *
HuffPost was also one of the first blogs to print verbatim the lies of Geraldine Ferraro in relation to Randi's dismissal from AAR. After that, I've been checking their headlines with growing skepticism. They seem more and more tabloid. Blaring headlines to draw you in, and after the fold, partial stories at best from other sources.

Also, on my computer at least, HuffPost now has annoying Pop Up ads.


Yup, annoying pop-up just today. Usually have THAT under control. Weird.

Has Huff gone corporate or what? Tabloidy, you bet. There's too much of that already. I check her out just to get a pulse, then quickly click out because it is so overloaded with ads and too much I DON'T want to read.

I used KOS when I first started on net, but now I do not, and neither do I use Raw Story.

I tend to go off the beaten path with the blogs I use and stay loyal. Love Moyers site - love, love, love. Consortium, Alternet, TPM, Truthout, Hullabaloo, NYT, WaPO, and of course Randi's homework. (Randi is a task master with the homework, but it's worth slogging through - guarantee ya.) whip.gif I was sick this weekend with the tummy ache. whaaaa sad.gif Whimper . . . Still don't feel good. Don't know if I'll ever get homework read. And now I'm TRYING to keep track of what cable news is f'n up now.

Not enough hours in the day. Don't know how Randi keeps up. She must have lots of help.
captainkona
It's a good observation and there's some truth to it.

Liberal Bloggers, of which I am one, are demanding too much too soon.
Let the fucking guy campaign for fuck's sake.
If he comes off as the Black Che Guevara we will lose this election to McFuckface.

He will have to take a more moderate stance to take the "Leftist" ham bone of the RNC's table.
We put him where he is, give him a chance to remember to dance with who brung him.
We're reacting to his posturing with paranoia, not the confidence we should be showing to our chosen candidate.

No problem holding his feet to the fire, but shouldn't we wait until he's elected and actually has the power to make the changes we want?


Hillary is gone. It's time for the infighting to stop or we will self destruct.
ctrl-z
When did we stop expecting our politicians to be honorable? When did inconsistency and pandering become political virtues?

I see (and hear) a lot of commentary about how it's 'necessary' for a candidate to say one thing during the primaries and another thing in the general election. Politicians are supposed to vary what they present as their positions based on the audience. This is supposed to be the 'adult' viewpoint.

We're not supposed to point out the inconsistencies because it will hurt their chances in the election. Does anyone remember all the traction the Kerry flip-flop meme got? Well, Obama flip-flop is already making the rounds in the right wing media. They're loving it.

And the result of this supposed wisdom? This 'play to the audience' philosophy? Will middle-of-the-road and undecided voters be swayed by this tap dancing? No. They're going to view the candidate as dishonest. And the base, who thought they had a candidate who reflected their views, get disheartened and confused by the reversals.

I'll still be voting for Obama, but I'm a lot less happy about it than I was a few months ago.
Hamoth
QUOTE (Dan-From-LA @ Jul 7 2008, 12:53 PM) *
I agree with Randi that many of the mainstream liberal blogs are as guilty as the MSM in their lack of coverage concerning Obama's recent statements on not just the war, but FISA and the Faith Based initiative. Do we need to be as skeptical of HuffPost, RawStory, Kos and other blogs as we do the MSM? Which ones are to be trusted?


CL usually has it right:

http://www.crooksandlairs.com

Also Dr. Maddow is more reliable than most.
captainkona
QUOTE (ctrl-z @ Jul 8 2008, 03:46 AM) *
When did we stop expecting our politicians to be honorable? When did inconsistency and pandering become political virtues?

I see (and hear) a lot of commentary about how it's 'necessary' for a candidate to say one thing during the primaries and another thing in the general election. Politicians are supposed to vary what they present as their positions based on the audience. This is supposed to be the 'adult' viewpoint.

We're not supposed to point out the inconsistencies because it will hurt their chances in the election. Does anyone remember all the traction the Kerry flip-flop meme got? Well, Obama flip-flop is already making the rounds in the right wing media. They're loving it.

And the result of this supposed wisdom? This 'play to the audience' philosophy? Will middle-of-the-road and undecided voters be swayed by this tap dancing? No. They're going to view the candidate as dishonest. And the base, who thought they had a candidate who reflected their views, get disheartened and confused by the reversals.

I'll still be voting for Obama, but I'm a lot less happy about it than I was a few months ago.



It's ok, it's ok to point out inconsistencies of course.. But we have to make sure they actually are inconsistencies.
He said this recently....
LINK

And I quote “my friends on the left”.

"My friends on the Left"

What other Democratic presidential front runner ever said that? Ever??
Think about the gravity of this statement. I've been waiting all my life to have someone one step from the White House that acknowledges us directly and with pride.

It's ok to question, but we have to remember that he's a "friend". Let's question him like we would a friend, not as we would an enemy.

smile.gif
L-Rey-LA
QUOTE (captainkona @ Jul 8 2008, 08:25 PM) *
And I quote “my friends on the left”.

"My friends on the Left"

What other Democratic presidential front runner ever said that? Ever??
Think about the gravity of this statement. I've been waiting all my life to have someone one step from the White House that acknowledges us directly and with pride.

It's ok to question, but we have to remember that he's a "friend". Let's question him like we would a friend, not as we would an enemy.

smile.gif

Great point. That's a real change.
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