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5by5
It'll make people sick. Deadly sick.
fla1sun
QUOTE (5by5 @ Jul 7 2008, 03:35 PM) *
It'll make people sick. Deadly sick.



Uuh! That's it? 5by5 has six words? Please explain yourself, and the peanut oil.......
adamquestor
QUOTE (5by5 @ Jul 7 2008, 03:35 PM) *
It'll make people sick. Deadly sick.



Please more info. I recall from Eng Class that Diesel first ran his motor on peanut oil (inedible kind of peanuts). It was not discussed if the process was toxic.

Hamoth
Many people have DEALY allergies to peanuts. That's probably why this ancient legume was largely ignored by many populations until the desperation of modern discrimination was coupled with the miracle of modern medicine.

Imagine your average peanut allergic driving behind you...

Mayo Clinic details that inhalation of peanut vapors causes a reaction:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/peanut-al...DSECTION=causes
plodder
Peanut allergies are a rather new phenomenom but there are other alternatives.................



Diesel expected that his engine would be powered by vegetable oils (including hemp) and seed oils. At the 1900 World's Fair, Diesel ran his engines on peanut oil. Later, George Schlichten invented a hemp 'decorticating' machine that stood poised to revolutionize paper making. Henry Ford demonstrated that cars can be made of, and run on, hemp. Evidence suggests a special-interest group that included the DuPont petrochemical company, Secretary of the Treasury Andrew Mellon (Dupont's major financial backer), and the newspaper man William Randolph Hearst mounted a yellow journalism campaign against hemp. Hearst deliberately confused psychoactive marijuana with industrial hemp, one of humankind's oldest and most useful resources. DuPont and Hearst were heavily invested in timber and petroleum resources, and saw hemp as a threat to their empires. Petroleum companies also knew that petroleum emits noxious, toxic byproducts when incompletely burned, as in an auto engine. Pollution was important to Diesel and he saw his engine as a solution to the inefficient, highly polluting engines of his time. In 1937 DuPont, Mellen and Hearst were able to push a "marijuana" prohibition bill through Congress in less than three months, which destroyed the domestic hemp industry.

A Mystery:

Diesel died under mysterious circumstances in 1913, vanishing during an overnight crossing of the English Channel on the mail steamer Dresden from Antwerp to Harwich. Diesel's death might have been suicide, accidental or an assassination. Proponents of the assassination theory point out that shortly after Diesel's death, a diesel-powered German submarine fleet became the scourge of the seas. Diesel had been friendly to France, Britain and the United States. 1

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu.esOnNIWRkA...rg/diesel.shtml
Hamoth
QUOTE
Peanut allergies are a rather new phenomenom


Not really. Surviving them is a rather new phenomena.

A lot of those waning child mortality statistics that used to be "Billy's mom said Billy just stopped breathing - they don't know why, the wake's on Wednesday" have become "I have a deadly allergy."

This is a good thing.
hansolo01
QUOTE (plodder @ Jul 8 2008, 05:52 AM) *
Peanut allergies are a rather new phenomenom but there are other alternatives.................



Diesel expected that his engine would be powered by vegetable oils (including hemp) and seed oils. At the 1900 World's Fair, Diesel ran his engines on peanut oil. Later, George Schlichten invented a hemp 'decorticating' machine that stood poised to revolutionize paper making. Henry Ford demonstrated that cars can be made of, and run on, hemp. Evidence suggests a special-interest group that included the DuPont petrochemical company, Secretary of the Treasury Andrew Mellon (Dupont's major financial backer), and the newspaper man William Randolph Hearst mounted a yellow journalism campaign against hemp. Hearst deliberately confused psychoactive marijuana with industrial hemp, one of humankind's oldest and most useful resources. DuPont and Hearst were heavily invested in timber and petroleum resources, and saw hemp as a threat to their empires. Petroleum companies also knew that petroleum emits noxious, toxic byproducts when incompletely burned, as in an auto engine. Pollution was important to Diesel and he saw his engine as a solution to the inefficient, highly polluting engines of his time. In 1937 DuPont, Mellen and Hearst were able to push a "marijuana" prohibition bill through Congress in less than three months, which destroyed the domestic hemp industry.

A Mystery:

Diesel died under mysterious circumstances in 1913, vanishing during an overnight crossing of the English Channel on the mail steamer Dresden from Antwerp to Harwich. Diesel's death might have been suicide, accidental or an assassination. Proponents of the assassination theory point out that shortly after Diesel's death, a diesel-powered German submarine fleet became the scourge of the seas. Diesel had been friendly to France, Britain and the United States. 1

now the conspiracy theory of why we drive gasoline buring engines instead of diesel has been solved. the politicians were bought and paid for, but we the people enjoyed the gasoline engines and laughed at the environmenatlist who said gas emissions would harm the Earth and melt the polar ice caps. Now , whose listening? The republiclans are suddenly going green and their shifting to corner the market on free earth friendly energy on the backs of those they had pissed on all these years, us, the not for hire nobel prize winning democrats. Here is one fact republicans can agree on, GM corporation scammed America out of all the city rail services . Shorthly after world war two ,GM bought up all the city transit rail services and closed them down and sold the government piece of shit buses to replace the cheaper rail. WTF happened in that deal. History and time has covered up the truth , but just as we hunt the Nazis in todays society we will hunt down the lobbiest who committed treason by passing that deal. Those are the true enemies of the state. May the facts come back to haunt the lobbiest for all time.
The only thing that gets the republicans attention is three things : cancelling their older parents medicare benefits, cuts to their parents social security benefits, and the high gas prices. go figure, thier leaders are doing just that right now. who are they going to blame ? bill clinton? heck ya.
I pose these three question : If Obama is lieing to the united states people when he promises change, do you realize he is not the president at this time ?
If you agree he is not the president at this time, who do you think is running the country at this time?
Why are you charging Obama with lieing to the American people, if he isn't even the president yet?

answers: scared shitless to be on the wrong side when the shit hits the fan!
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu.esOnNIWRkA...rg/diesel.shtml
powerob
Bahhh.... no big deal. We shouldn't be pursuing crops of food to put in our tank. Besides, we should be pursuing the algae alternative which produces far much more oil per acre than food crops if I'm not mistaken plus it's growth and turnover has an insanely fast rate.

LilaTheGreat
SO... you Can't can run the diesel on peanut oil but it will be toxic to some people. huh.gif
mitchk224
All good. thanks.
I have learned so little
here today. Will someone
please sort it out and get back
tp US?

oboy
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MMK
plodder
Ok here's the sort out.

First I will recognize that I should have used the term 'peanut allergies are a fairly newly acknowledged allergy.'

The oint of the link was there are alternative to peanut Oil and to using food based Oils such as hemp which grows like a weed and can be harvested year round with an extremly high yield per acre......

Diesel expected that his engine would be powered by vegetable and seed oils. At the 1900 World's Fair, Diesel ran his engines on peanut oil. Later, George Schlichten invented a hemp 'decorticating' machine that stood poised to revolutionize paper making. Henry Ford demonstrated that cars can be made of, and run on, hemp. Evidence suggests a special-interest group that included the DuPont petrochemical company, Secretary of the Treasury Andrew Mellon (Dupont's major financial backer), and the newspaper man William Randolph Hearst mounted a yellow journalism campaign against hemp. Hearst deliberately confused psychoactive marijuana with industrial hemp, one of humankind's oldest and most useful resources. DuPont and Hearst were heavily invested in timber and petroleum resources, and saw hemp as a threat to their empires.
adamquestor
Thanks for the info. So the concern is for uncombusted peanut oil or elements that can trigger allergy if inhaled (which is about 600 times more absorbable than through the GI tract). Got it.

Peanut oil should not be used in its present form. It's possible to modify it chemically to control allergens or combust it/catalyze combustion products effectively.

In the mean time, other oils seem to be acceptable, except for limited NOx and CO2.

JK-in-ATL
QUOTE (adamquestor @ Jul 9 2008, 04:37 PM) *
Thanks for the info. So the concern is for uncombusted peanut oil or elements that can trigger allergy if inhaled (which is about 600 times more absorbable than through the GI tract). Got it.

Peanut oil should not be used in its present form. It's possible to modify it chemically to control allergens or combust it/catalyze combustion products effectively.

In the mean time, other oils seem to be acceptable, except for limited NOx and CO2.


My understanding from parents with kids who have peanut allergies that the refining process involved in food-grade peanut oil removes the allergen and is safe. It's the unrefined peanut products that cause the reaction.
TapDuncan
Oh c'mon, we can't invent a filter for the peanut oil allergic? Of course we can, we can do anything...
adamquestor
QUOTE (TapDuncan @ Jul 9 2008, 03:55 PM) *
Oh c'mon, we can't invent a filter for the peanut oil allergic? Of course we can, we can do anything...



Agreed - peanut oil can be refined or chemically altered to remove the allergen - should be simple. In the meantime, this algae hydrocarbon seems useful in the short term. Eventually, we need to go with hydrogen or a networked fusion power.

TapDuncan
Adam--Ya know, I agree, BUT, I believe there is something we are missing, like a new alternative that we haven't discovered yet, but we better. My ex-brother in law's family grew hemp during WWII, and they still do. They grew it for rope and fabrics, etc., but the contract was never dismissed, so his uncle has tried to sell his crops for oil, to no avail. This is outside of Galesburg, Ill and a lot of farmers tried to get the gov't. to wake up, also to no avail. The best thing is when you drive thru it smells like weed!!!
bushwa
QUOTE (Hamoth @ Jul 8 2008, 12:55 AM) *
Many people have DEADLY allergies to peanuts. ...


SOB! What a hell of a thought. I'm familiar with the dangerousness of the allergy - have a niece who carries the stick pen for emergencies, and I've seen how idiots say things like, "There's only a few peanuts in there" or "I took most of the peanuts out of your Kung Pao Chicken." They just don't get it.

Now that you mention it, it seems obvious it would be an enormous problem, but I guess I have to go traipsing through the links to see if that's the case.
bushwa
QUOTE (JK-in-ATL @ Jul 9 2008, 01:41 PM) *
My understanding from parents with kids who have peanut allergies that the refining process involved in food-grade peanut oil removes the allergen and is safe. It's the unrefined peanut products that cause the reaction.



Geez, I know my sister's family panics at labeling explaining that something was made "in the vicinity" of peanut dust, and they say there is no peanut butter that doesn't have the potential to kill her. I know her school's kitchen also had to undertake some major changes to eliminate the risks for any students with peanut allergies.

Once again, I come upon a subject about which I know too little.
powerob
I'm all for industrial hemp but its a poor choice for producing biodiesel because it's yield per acre is rather low.

This is a good site on biodiesel.
plodder
It's yield per acre may be lower but it's in the non-food group.

I have made hemp oil for years........I just didn't waste it on a car................

TapDuncan
Well it's yield is lower, but it's rate of harvest is way higher (no pun intended). Every 7 weeks is a good harvest rate, IMHO. Plus the Tera Patrick article must've been awesome.
RandiLover
QUOTE (plodder @ Jul 12 2008, 02:11 PM) *
It's yield per acre may be lower but it's in the non-food group.

I have made hemp oil for years........I just didn't waste it on a car................



Ohhh common, this is rude! You have to put three things I cant have, you suck!
RandiLover
By the way, what are we more allergic to, diesel fumes or peanut fumes?
KimFromLongIsland
QUOTE (RandiLover @ Jul 12 2008, 06:35 PM) *
Ohhh common, this is rude! You have to put three things I cant have, you suck!

Hmmm
You're allergic to make-up, to poor for diamonds, and afraid of getting tattoos?
jkun17
QUOTE (KimFromLongIsland @ Jul 12 2008, 03:37 PM) *
Hmmm
You're allergic to make-up, to poor for diamonds, and afraid of getting tattoos?

You forgot the wholesome pair of fun-bags.
LibLaw
Willie Nelson once ran his Tour Bus on hemp oil. I was there and saw him do it.
LibLaw
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Willie, who turned seventy-five in April, was first exposed to the homegrown fuel concept in 1991 when he rode around Kentucky campaigning in gubernatorial candidate Gatewood Galbreath’s Hempmobile — a Mercedes powered by refined hemp oil. He started taking it more seriously after his wife, Annie, had her new 2003 Jetta outfitted to run on used cooking grease after learning about the technology from Pacific Biodiesel, on the island of Maui, where the family lives. Willie liked Annie’s car so much he made jokes about it (“she must have gotten into my stash”; “the exhaust smells like french fries”), and eventually had his Mercedes retrofitted. Willie being Willie, he didn’t stop there. He converted his home-on-the-road, Honeysuckle Rose IV, and two other show buses to run on biodiesel, following in the footsteps of Neil Young, who’d already converted his touring fleet.


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