This is very long, but very very interesting A good read.

http://bsalert.com/news/1980/US_Army_1943_Guide_To_Iraq.html

Interesting. I did not know there was a pipeline in Haifa before the state of Israel was established. It used to be in Palistine until Israel captured it..apparently with the blessings of the British who had left and never bothered to defend it for themselves. Interesting, because after WWII England was pretty broke and could have used the revenue the pipeline generated.

I'm sure the Brits helped the US put together this guide.

I hope some soldier reads it today and passes it along to a brother in arms in Iraq. I found it interesting and potentially useful.

That is a weird statement considering that Palestine is the Roman name for Israel. That is like saying that Munich used to be in Deutchland before the Germans captured it.

Look up the history of Haifa. When the Brits showed up and took over the area, Haifa was in British Mandate Palestine...before the creation of the state of Israel. After WWII things changed. The isreali state was created, the British left and then the Israelis' captured Haifa; land that was not part of the original deal. But who know's I'm sure the Brits and the Rothchilds had it all pre-planned to work out that way because they knew the Arabs would never have agreed to include Haifa in the original plan for the new state of Israel.

Haifa

If Palestine is the Roman name for Israel, does that mean Palestine is actually Israel? I think the Palestinians would disagree. By Roman logic Palestinians and Israelis were the same people. How can that make any sense?

According to the link you posted

"The 1947 UN Partition Plan designated Haifa part of the proposed Jewish state"





The Arabs did not, would not, and still do not, agree with the creation of the state of Israel at all. Of course, they didn't disagree with the creation of the states of Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the "palestinian" state of Jordan, and a bunch of other states in the area.




The term Palestine to refer to any arabic is a recent invention. "Palestine" IS the Roman name for the land of Israel. Whether the people who migrated in and have, in the last generation or so, co-opted the name of the land as their own would agree or not, is irrelevent.

TammySticker posted:

Yes, the very next 2 sentence at that link read:

it goes on: (emphasis mine).



Now, the Arabs, whose land it was a the time had every right to reject the 1947 UN partition plan. The British and the Arabs had been doing business together. The only reason the Brit were there was because that's where the oil was

But that's not what I was remarking on. What I was first remarking on was that I didn't know that there was AN OIL PIPELINE in Haifa in1943, I only learned about that while reading the 1943 guide...So I looked up Haifa, because I figured that control of that pipeline must have been at least one of the reasons there was so much fighting in Haifa.

I doubt very much that the Arabs saw that pipeline as something the Brits could give away to whom ever they felt like.

I'm betting the Arabs would not have rejected the 1947 UN Partition Plan if there was no oil pipeline under Israeli control...that's as far as my thought went. It just occurred to me that there probably would have been a lot less violence waged against Israel in the Middle East had she agreed to not include Haifa, that's all....you know, make friend with their neighbors first...but as I said, I don't know the intricacies of Arab-Israeli politics and I don't know what is the nitty gritty truth at the crux of the hatred these two groups leadership have against each other. I read that the Arabic Leadership says Israel doesn't deserve the right to exist, but then there's never any further information as to why they believe this, why they have believed it for so long and I wonder why is it that they never tire of this bloody game?

Oh, I just had a second thought...perhaps the UN was trying to accomplish in the Middle East what European colonization accomplished in Africa...forcing sworn enemy tribes to live together by redrawing the natural boundaries..causing them to fight with each other while Belgium, et al., stole as many resources as they could before they were either kicked out or forced out. I know that's a stretch, but to an outsider, that's what is kind of looks like. What the West didn't figure on was the rest of the newly created Arab countries getting along with each other as well as they have.

I don't really have a very good understanding of the intricacies of the Arab-Israeli relationship so I do appreciate your feedback. I just don't understand why there is such a deep hatred and mistrust of the Israelis by the Arab Leadership. The only thought I come up with is that the state of Israel is perceived as a gateway into the Middle East that foreigners would enter through and take over the Arab world by negotiating deals with Israel...deals that would gradually weaken Arab control of Arab land.