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Eyeswideopen

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It is now being reported that John McCain has a severe gambling addiction, evidenced by his long bouts with the craps tables in Las Vegas. There are reports that convicted GOP lobbyist and Russian-Israeli mob money launderer Jack Abramoff traded favors with McCain and Alabama Governor Bob Riley, who, through election malfeasance, cost Democratic Governor Don Siegelman his governorship in 2002 and then proceeded to engage in a criminal conspiracy to indict and convict Siegelman on trumped up charges.

A set of emails sent between Abramoff and Tom DeLay's Communications Director in December 2002, emails that were never produced by McCain's Indian Affairs Committee, show that Abramoff was conspiring with Riley, a casino gambling opponent, to keep gambling from the Poarch Creek Indian Reservation to benefit gambling on the Coushatta Indian Reservations in Mississippi. The email also describes efforts between Mississippi Republican Governor Haley Barbour and Maryland Republican Governor Bob Ehrlich to bring casino gambling to Indian reservations in their states. Ehrlich and his staff were targets of a federal investigation linking him to a prostitution ring involving Pamela Martin & Associates escorts and Shirlington Limousine, which ferried escorts on behalf of individuals and lobbyists linked to Abramoff in the Washington, DC and Baltimore areas. That investigation was shut down after George W. Bush's re-election in 2004.

McCain has also been linked to Russian aluminum tycoon Oleg Deripaska, another member of the Russian Mafia who has been denied an entry visa to the United States. Deripaska, unlike his Russian Jewish comrades, has maintained good links to Putin. Deripaska has also figured prominently as a supplier of aluminum to the European Airbus aircraft frames to be used in the production of the US Air Force tanker plane, a contract pushed hard by McCain and his top campaign advisers, some of whom were lobbyists for Airbus.

The Russian-Israeli mob infiltration of the McCain campaign is only the continuation of a cancerous infiltration of the American body politic that began with the takeover of the Senate office of Washington's Henry "Scoop" Jackson by anti-Soviet Jewish "neo-conservatives" in the early 1970s and blossomed into the full scale coup witnessed in the presidential election of 2000.

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http://www.waynemadsenreport.com

Deke
Great Post Eyswideopen!

You just can not trust Repigs for anything.
Seeker1
QUOTE (Eyeswideopen @ Jul 8 2008, 03:50 PM) *
McCain has also been linked to Russian aluminum tycoon Oleg Deripaska, another member of the Russian Mafia who has been denied an entry visa to the United States. Deripaska, unlike his Russian Jewish comrades, has maintained good links to Putin. Deripaska has also figured prominently as a supplier of aluminum to the European Airbus aircraft frames to be used in the production of the US Air Force tanker plane, a contract pushed hard by McCain and his top campaign advisers, some of whom were lobbyists for Airbus.

The Russian-Israeli mob infiltration of the McCain campaign is only the continuation of a cancerous infiltration of the American body politic that began with the takeover of the Senate office of Washington's Henry "Scoop" Jackson by anti-Soviet Jewish "neo-conservatives" in the early 1970s and blossomed into the full scale coup witnessed in the presidential election of 2000.


I notice he's stopped using the word "Israeli" and is now using the word he really means.

It's inevitable. They always do.


Sinisterblogger
Could we, perhaps, only post stories that have links to valid news sources, instead of some guy's blog? Especially when it comes to sensitive subjects like this.
carmenjonze

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Infiltrated by Russian-Israeli Mob




A-GAIN?!

That trick never works.
captainkona
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 8 2008, 08:52 PM) *


A-GAIN?!

That trick never works.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJKzDSsG0Q
bushwa
QUOTE (Sinisterblogger @ Jul 8 2008, 01:26 PM) *
Could we, perhaps, only post stories that have links to valid news sources...



Oh, better than that, you can't even follow the link to the blog and then read the story WITHOUT BUYING A "SUBSCRIPTION" to this fraud's bullshit.

Wayne Madsen is a fraud and a charlatan. His stories are bullshit, typically rewrites of MSM stories with inflammatory inventions sewn throughout or, as in this case, a series of names, offices and places tied together with less substance than stringy snot, and riddled with utter fiction that some deluded fools choose to believe, apparently because Wayne can be counted on to smear the very people the fools hate. I guess that's why they're willing to pay for fiction, sort of like those kiddy books where parents pay for a book that has their own child's name sprinkled throughout.

carmenjonze
QUOTE (captainkona @ Jul 8 2008, 08:05 PM) *


Oh dearie. LOL!

Damn, Jay Ward was a frickin genius.
bushwa
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 8 2008, 10:54 PM) *
Oh dearie. LOL!

Damn, Jay Ward was a frickin genius.



You can laugh at that smear on Bullwinkle? The banana peel by the waterfall was cruel. The box of dynamite wrapped as a birthday gift was hurtful. But this unwarranted attack on moose for no reason beyond his mooseness is nothing more than speciesism, and I cannot laugh at it.

You go ahead and buy into the "parody" claims, CJ. This is nothing more than an unwarranted attack. I am especially appalled to learn your claimed interest in fair play and civility is apparently only intermittent, and so sometimes does not apply to mooses.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (bushwa @ Jul 8 2008, 11:19 PM) *
You can laugh at that smear on Bullwinkle? The banana peel by the waterfall was cruel. The box of dynamite wrapped as a birthday gift was hurtful. But this unwarranted attack on moose for no reason beyond his mooseness is nothing more than speciesism, and I cannot laugh at it.

You go ahead and buy into the "parody" claims, CJ. This is nothing more than an unwarranted attack. I am especially appalled to learn your claimed interest in fair play and civility is apparently only intermittent, and so sometimes does not apply to mooses.


Yeah well, ya know. Carmen "Ad Hominem Double Standard for Moose" Jonze, that's me.

lol
TammyStickers
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jul 8 2008, 04:17 PM) *
I notice he's stopped using the word "Israeli" and is now using the word he really means.

It's inevitable. They always do.



Eyeswideopen keeps posting the same anti-semitic crap without any reputable links. All he/she/it links to is the same BS web site. Why don't the moderators do something about this. By allowing such anti-semitic crap on this web site just gives all of us liberals a bad name.

Can you imagine a swing voter coming on here and reading this stuff and forming an opinion about what the left is by reading a post by eyeswideopen?

I guess one always runs the risk of someone claiming that you are censoring political thought, but since does anyone really think that someone who constantly posts anti-semitic crap and only uses antisemitic websites is really interesting in freedom of expression. Besides, aren't these posts a violation of rules

2 - no antisemitic remarks or hate speech.
3 - posting with the sole intent to sow upset and discord
11 - linking to objectionable material.

also "baiting topics or comments meant to annoy, heckle or badger are not allowed"

Also illegal:
"User that posts derogatory or inflammatory comments on the message board with the sole intent to sow discord."



Note that I am not saying that eyeswideopen is anti-semitic. That would be a personal opinion not provable or disprovable. I have no way of knowing eyeswideopen is anti-semitic or not. What I am saying is that eyeswideopen constantly posts anti-semitic crap without any reputable citation. That is a statement of fact, easily provable by looking at his/her/its posting record.
Seeker1
Two observations.

Although Eyes and I disagree on many things, most notably 9/11 and many conspiracy theory topics, I do not believe she is anti-Semitic.

However, she does appear to be a fan of Wayne Madsen. I also am not certain if Wayne Madsen is anti-Semitic or not but he is so obsessed with connecting Ashkenazi Jews with global crime and corruption that I have to wonder. Certainly, others smarter than me have wondered about this.

Here's Neural Gourmet's take on Wayne Madsen: "smuggling in bigotry under the cover of speculation"
http://archives.neuralgourmet.com/2006/12/...uggling_bigotry

Why exactly was he banned over at DU? I don't think bushwa is the first person to question his journalistic bonafides.

Now, whenever I raise this issue, Eyes says the mainstream media lies so instead she turns to people like Madsen. I have never understood this argument, per se, because I believe there is a thriving alternative media in this country, made up of things like the Nation, the Progressive, Z Magazine, Salon, Mother Jones, and Common Dreams.

But better yet, even though they are "alternative," they also adhere to important journalistic norms like not giving credence to rumors without verification, providing identifiable sources, not engaging in baseless speculation, and spicing up their stories with unverifiable claims.

Maybe Eyes does not like these because unlike Madsen, most do not devote a lot of energy to the topic of "9/11 truth". I suspect that might be part of it.

So I've told Eyes over and over again that if she wants alternatives to the MSM - and I agree they are needed due to its pervasive corporate bias and unwillingness to afflict the comfortable - there are ones that are out there that are also better and more reliable than Madsen.

I don't think the only "alternatives" out there are ones that by avoiding the mainstream also avoid its journalistic norms. I don't want an "alternative" to people being able to back up what they say with facts, sources, and evidence.







Dan-From-LA
QUOTE (Sinisterblogger @ Jul 8 2008, 04:26 PM) *
Could we, perhaps, only post stories that have links to valid news sources, instead of some guy's blog? Especially when it comes to sensitive subjects like this.



Thank you. Madsen often has very squishy sources.

It's a non story anyway. McCain is already linked to a proven mob family. They are called the Bush family.

bushwa
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jul 9 2008, 08:15 AM) *
...
I do not believe she is anti-Semitic. ...



FWIW, and perhaps that's nothing, I would absolutely agree. I've never had an inkling nor seen a clue of such sentiments, and would vehemently join in categorizing such concerns as unfounded.
Seeker1
QUOTE (bushwa @ Jul 9 2008, 11:58 AM) *
FWIW, and perhaps that's nothing, I would absolutely agree. I've never had an inkling nor seen a clue of such sentiments, and would vehemently join in categorizing such concerns as unfounded.


... that said, though, BTW, I think she does always seem to misunderstand why Jews are "oversensitive" to anti-Semitism.

Maybe we are.



I think it's fair for us to err on the side of caution.

When it starts sounding like a duck, well, me, I'm gonna say it quacks.




TammyStickers
QUOTE (bushwa @ Jul 9 2008, 11:58 AM) *
FWIW, and perhaps that's nothing, I would absolutely agree. I've never had an inkling nor seen a clue of such sentiments, and would vehemently join in categorizing such concerns as unfounded.



I carefully avoided saying anything about her motives. I think, however, that constantly posting anti-semitic stuff is a good clue. There are other possible motives (just being a trool, ignorance, to name just two).

What would you say about someone who used the "n" word or constantly made claims that Blacks were subhuman? I would call them a "bigot". It would be fairly obvious. Yet, when someone makes similar misstatements about Jews or uses the word "zionist" or "Israel" to disguise their motives, some people think that we should discuss what their true motivation is.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jul 9 2008, 09:20 AM) *
... that said, though, BTW, I think she does always seem to misunderstand why Jews are "oversensitive" to anti-Semitism.

Maybe we are.



I think it's fair for us to err on the side of caution.


But you're not supposed to have any feelings about that at all. Any feelings about it at all are written off as "oversensitive".
egghead


Oh, McGoshers, I happened in on a real live INTERVENTION!!

To which I don't think Eyeswideopen really needs one. She CAN think for herself, and I welcome her to do so. smile.gif

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