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Eyeswideopen
July 8, 2008 -- The Russian-Israeli Mafia: Off-limits to FBI, US Intelligence

The same cancer that bankrupted the Soviet Union and the early Russian Federation, namely the Russian-Israeli Mafia -- the global organized crime syndicate that uses Israeli government protection and passports to cover their illegal worldwide activities -- has so thoroughly permeated the American political and business system that the FBI and U.S. intelligence agencies are virtually powerless to bring the major perpetrators to justice.

Across the United States, FBI agents have been hamstrung by the Justice and Homeland Security Departments, led by two individuals, Michael Mukasey and Michael Chertoff, whose close links to the Russian-Israeli Mafia in New York and New Jersey have seen case after case involving Russian-Israeli mobsters going un-investigated and virtually ignored.

In fact, the National Security Agency (NSA), FBI, and the military intelligence services have seen their ranks of Russian linguists slashed by the Bush administration. In most cases, Russian-Israeli mobsters use their native Russian language in their telephone conversations and email communications. Only recently, perhaps owing to a shift within the Defense Department led by Robert Gates, has the NSA began re-hiring Russian linguists, although at a very slow pace.

Neo-con outlets such as The Daily Telegraph in Great Britain, which has also witnessed an infiltration of its government, law enforcement, and intelligence services by individuals linked to the Russian-Israeli mob, are now complaining that there are so many Russian Federal Security Bureau (FSB) agents in Britain that MI-6, MI-5, and the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) are finding it difficult to battle "Islamist terrorists." However, the FSB is primarily a law enforcement agency that has been waging battle against the Russian-Israeli Mafia, particularly its major backers like exiled Russian-Israeli oligarch Boris Berezovsky who have been granted protection by the British government while they plan subversive activities against Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

In fact, as seen in the poisoning of Russian ex-FSB and KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko in London, there are solid links between Berezovsky, the Russian-Israeli Mafia, and Islamist guerrillas in Chechnya and abroad. However, British intelligence, which recently suffered a major blow with the strange illness that struck the Chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC), Alex Allan, who was found in a coma and covered with blood in his Hammersmith apartment in the London suburbs, has been unable to crack down on the Russian-Israeli Mafia infiltration of Britain since the billions of pounds in dirty money has made its way into the coffers of top Labor and Conservative politicians.


(snip)

The United States is only second to Britain in infiltration by the Russian-Israeli gangsters in the highest echelons of government. The Bush administration has ignored INTERPOL arrest warrants and requests for information issued on behalf of Russia for wanted Russian-Israeli billionaires like Leonid Nevzlin, Boris Berezovsky, aka Platon Elenin (suspected by Russian authorities of links to the assassinations of Litvinenko and Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya), Arkady Gaydamak, Semyon "Sam" Kislin, Michael Chernoy, and others.

The Russian-Israeli interference in the law enforcement activities of the FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) have hobbled major investigations to the detriment of the national security of the United States.

(snip)

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com
Seeker1
QUOTE (Eyeswideopen @ Jul 8 2008, 04:01 PM) *
The same cancer that bankrupted the Soviet Union and the early Russian Federation, namely the Russian-Israeli Mafia


That's right - it wasn't failed governmental policies, communist totalitarianism, general bureaucratic corruption, military overspending, or dissident activities that brought down the Soviet Union, it was - the Russian Israeli mafia.

You keep asking me what I don't like about Madsen. It's because the guy is a professional scapegoater, and I know where scapegoating has often gone in the past.

There is another guy who claimed Jewish gangsters and oligarchs brought down the Soviet Union. His name was Vladmir Zhirinovsky. And yes, I know he was of partial Jewish ancestry. Guys like him often are.

And if you don't get this - then for christ-on-a-cracker's-sake, you never will.





Ishmael
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jul 8 2008, 02:12 PM) *
There is another guy who claimed Jewish gangsters and oligarchs brought down the Soviet Union. His name was Vladmir Zhirinovsky. And yes, I know he was of partial Jewish ancestry. Guys like him often are.


Does that mean Zhirinovsky hates himself? Kinda like a Black Skinhead or a Gay Republican.
Eyeswideopen
Don't you see that the same corrupt forces, now controlling our own government, are bankrupting our nation? They use the same modus operandi: lies, fabricated evidence, blackmail, bribery, murder, weapons and drug smuggling, and money laundering, to enrich and empower themselves, as they drain the treasury and disempower the American people. Yes, the same kind of failed policies and CORRUPTION is at play in the U.S. today.
Seeker1
QUOTE (Ishmael @ Jul 8 2008, 04:16 PM) *
Does that mean Zhirinovsky hates himself? Kinda like a Black Skinhead or a Gay Republican.


You know about this guy, right? Former leader of an American Nazi organization?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Collin

Arguably, the downfall of Frank Collin was the revelation that his father's real surname was either "Cohn" or "Cohen" and had reportedly been a prisoner at the Dachau concentration camp. It meant that Collin was at least half-Jewish by ancestry. It was also discovered that Collin was a pedophile. Both of these revelations led to his falling out of favor with members of the neo-Nazi movement. Collin soon left it altogether. A psychiatrist who interviewed Collin when he was a Nazi concluded that he was consumed by hatred for his father which may have influenced him to reject him in extremis by becoming a Nazi and adopting and publicly espousing antisemitic beliefs.

[snip]

As carmen says, I can't climb inside these guy's heads and psychoanalyze their motives, but all I can say is it is a dynamic I've seen over and over again.

I don't believe Jewish critics of Israel are self-hating, not even Jewish critics of Judaism, but yes, I do believe internalized self-hatred is something that afflicts all minority groups, of which Jews are one.



Sinisterblogger
Could we, perhaps, just for once, not post crap like this without linking to a valid news source?
Seeker1
QUOTE (Eyeswideopen @ Jul 8 2008, 04:23 PM) *
Don't you see that the same corrupt forces, now controlling our own government, are bankrupting our nation? They use the same modus operandi: lies, fabricated evidence, blackmail, bribery, murder, weapons and drug smuggling, and money laundering, to enrich and empower themselves, as they drain the treasury and disempower the American people.


Yes, but the problem is corruption knows no ethnic, racial, national, or religious affiliation or face. It is a human flaw. Attempts to give it one are scapegoating.

This is why I keep pointing out that class analysis and structural criticism is superior to these other forms.



Sinisterblogger
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jul 8 2008, 03:26 PM) *
Yes, but the problem is corruption knows no ethnic, racial, national, or religious affiliation or face. It is a human flaw. Attempts to give it one are scapegoating.

This is why I keep pointing out that class analysis and structural criticism is superior to these other forms.



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Eyeswideopen
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jul 8 2008, 04:26 PM) *
Yes, but the problem is corruption knows no ethnic, racial, national, or religious affiliation or face. It is a human flaw. Attempts to give it one are scapegoating.

This is why I keep pointing out that class analysis and structural criticism is superior to these other forms.

Seeker, I respectfully ask you set aside your personal sensitivity and look at the facts. If the crowd entwined with the neocons happened to be the Sicilian mafia, or the Italian mafia, or the New Jersey mafia, would you similarly object to the facts as to where these thugs live and where they come from? I doubt it.

Then it would be considered relevant information which would be appreciated, considered or rejected, without outcry. Neither would you object if it merely said Russian mafia, would you? Do you object to mentions of German Nazis because they happened to come from Germany? Evil people are everywhere. This is not a matter of anti-semitism, or prejudice of national origin, but you seem to feel it is.

Please consider that you may be overreacting. No offense is meant to you at all or to any group, except the CRIMINALS mentioned.
Eyeswideopen
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/225...rywhere%27.html

Spy chief Alex Allan found with 'blood everywhere'

By Rupert Neate
Last Updated: 11:53AM BST 06/07/2008

Britain's leading spymaster, who is in a coma after apparently being struck down by a mystery illness, was found covered in blood, according to a tenant.
Alex Allan has been described as "very, very seriously ill" and is under police guard in the intensive care unit of a west London hospital.

He was found by Dominique Salm, a painter who rents an artist's studio in his west London home.

According to neighbours she found him slumped unconscious with "blood everywhere".

(snip)
Eyeswideopen
(snip)

The Russian-Israeli interference in the law enforcement activities of the FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) have hobbled major investigations to the detriment of the national security of the United States. The FBI investigation of the assassination of retired CIA Houston station chief Roland "Tony" Carnaby, who was investigating Israeli Mossad and Russian-Israeli mob activities in the Houston area, has been relegated to a low-level and non-descript national security investigation by FBI higher ups.

The DEA and FBI investigations of the activities of Israeli "art students" and "movers" in the months leading up to the 9/11 attacks were similarly stymied by the direct orders of then-FBI director Louis Freeh and Attorney General John Ashcroft, according to a major wire service journalist who covered the Justice Department. The Boston-based Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), funded by wealthy Jewish American private contributors and the Israeli government, "threatened" media outlets, including the Associated Press, who continued to report on the activities of the Israeli art students and movers.

(snip)

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com


Does anyone here know anything about CAMERA and their alleged "influence" on media outlets?
Seeker1
QUOTE (Eyeswideopen @ Jul 8 2008, 04:41 PM) *
Seeker, I respectfully ask you set aside your personal sensitivity and look at the facts. If the crowd entwined with the neocons happened to be the Sicilian mafia, or the Italian mafia, or the New Jersey mafia, would you similarly object to the facts as to where these thugs live and where they come from? I doubt it.


A very interesting point. But the funny thing is, Italian people often complain that everywhere they go, they are often stereotyped as being part of the Mafia. Heck, that's the running joke that kicks off the Sopranos. Many complain that organized crime is treated as a strictly Italian phenomenon - when it isn't. Even when the Mafia was the Mafia, it had Irish members.

The problem is this, eyes: it's true if you look at organized crime in the U.S. in the 1920s and 30s, who were most of its members... Italians, Jews, Poles, Russians, and other immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe. But did they get involved in crime because of some genetic flaw? Some moral problem with their culture? Or was it because of the lack of opportunity within the "legit" system of America that forced them to turn to crime?

If you look at modern day organized crime in America, many of the "mafias" today are run by Jamaicans, Chinese, Mexicans, Salvadorans, etc. Same reasons. You'll notice very few WASPs. That's because they tend to stick to a higher level of organized crime we call "white collar".

I would agree if someone said worldwide organized crime syndicates are a problem. I would even agree that they have infiltrated and corrupted governments. There is even a good case as to discussing the negative role they play in globalization. Why only pay attention to the "Russian Israeli" Mafia, and NOT Chinese Triads, Japanese Yakuza, or the Colombian cartels?

You're acting as if Madsen writes this stuff in a vaccuum, when I have shown you there are people saying that all organized crime worldwide is controlled by Jewish overlords. And that in fact, propaganda like this in the 1930s helped lead to genocide.

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Neither would you object if it merely said Russian mafia, would you?


If by "Russian" mafia you mean organized crime within the borders of Russia; fine; although I would point out even in Russia the organized crime is not strictly controlled by people who are ethnically Russian, let alone ethnically Jewish. Quite a lot of Russian organized crime is run by Georgians - and no, I don't mean people from Atlanta.

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Do you object to mentions of German Nazis because they happened to come from Germany?


No, I think there are plenty of fine people in Germany now, and there were even quite fine people in Germany then.

The truth is Nazism began out of fascism, which also developed in Italy and Spain and Croatia and to some extent even took hold in Japan in the 1930s.

Not only that, but most of the execution camps were in POLAND, because the Poles were even more anti-Semitic than the Germans.

For exactly those reasons, I do not consider "Nazism" a "German" phenomenon although I do think there are interesting things to discuss as to the topic of why Germany in the 1930s was ripe soil for that particular ideological movement to take hold.

To make Nazism an ethnic rather than an ideological phenomenon would be a mistake - the same one you're making.

QUOTE
Evil people are everywhere. This is not a matter of anti-semitism, or prejudice of national origin, but you seem to feel it is.

Please consider that you may be overreacting. No offense is meant to you at all or to any group, except the CRIMINALS mentioned.


So riddle me this, Batman.

I notice that when the local news covers criminal incidents, the race of the perpetrator is rarely mentioned or remarked on - unless the perp is a minority.

But if the reality is that criminals are criminals, then you don't need to remark on their race or ethnic origin, do they?

Unless you believe there is some correlation between their ethnic origin and their criminality....




justiceforall
It seems like minority groups which emigrate to a new countries in large numbers often end up running illegal "businesses".

Lack of credentials and opportunities in the legal market makes the black market very appealing.

The real crooks, however, run Wall Street.
Seeker1
QUOTE (justiceforall @ Jul 8 2008, 05:04 PM) *
The real crooks, however, run Wall Street.


And, BTW, the biggest swindlers of that particular institution are and remain WASPs.

Nice article on the WASP White Collar Mafia from Time magazine.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...38862-1,00.html

Yes, the article is from 1969, but the point remains relevant.



thomasBean
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jul 8 2008, 03:12 PM) *
1) That's right - it wasn't failed governmental policies, communist totalitarianism, general bureaucratic corruption, military overspending, or dissident activities that brought down the Soviet Union, it was - the Russian Israeli mafia.

2) You keep asking me what I don't like about Madsen. It's because the guy is a professional scapegoater, and I know where scapegoating has often gone in the past.

3) There is another guy who claimed Jewish gangsters and oligarchs brought down the Soviet Union. His name was Vladmir Zhirinovsky. And yes, I know he was of partial Jewish ancestry. Guys like him often are.

4) And if you don't get this - then for christ-on-a-cracker's-sake, you never will.



1) Good point. I'm sure Madsen would agree that...you are both correct. Right now...PUTIN is a former KGB spy wi mafia ties that runs a mafia country for the oligarchs best interests.

OUR ENEMY IS WHAT IS CALLED THE ILLUMINATI....a web of connected sociopaths who work together to form what one author called MCMAFIA....the new transglobal organized criminal elite.


2) ISRAELI'S are not above PROJECTION and DISPLACEMENT of their JUNGIAN SHADOWS. They like scapegoating Palestinians....as well as NAZIS did like scapegoating little jewish children. OUR battle is against HUMAN EVIL...HUMAN NATURE...ignorance of such?

Consider reading Ernest Becker's "Escape From Evil". You'll like it. You will learn something...about how to stop evil.


3) I hope you are not attempting to ignore THE PRESENCE OF ORGANIZED CRIME IN RUSSIAN and the former USSR "stan countries".


http://madcowprod.com/ Nice link for Russian mafia stories linked to global organized crime including our US INTEL COMMUNITY.


4) "christ on cracker" sake? Hmmm...I thought you were a Zionist jew....now using "christ" to make a point?
Seeker1
QUOTE (thomasBean @ Jul 8 2008, 06:37 PM) *
4) "christ on cracker" sake? Hmmm...I thought you were a Zionist jew....now using "christ" to make a point?


It's called a colloquialism.

Are Jews not allowed to use it?

Or only Zionist Jews?

I also sometimes say "Jesus H. Christ it's cold outside!" too, but honestly, I really doubt he had a middle name starting with "H."

Bonus observation: what was Harry S Truman's middle name?

What was "Meadowlark" Lemon's real name?

Your other points are interesting. Yes, if Jung was correct, we all have a Shadow archetype... not just Israelis.

Perhaps we could discuss the phenomenon that Freud and Jung called "projection" sometime.






carmenjonze
QUOTE (thomasBean @ Jul 8 2008, 02:37 PM) *
OUR ENEMY IS WHAT IS CALLED THE ILLUMINATI


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Seeker1
I defeat them singlehandedly every day.



http://www.sjgames.com/illuminati/bfd/

Bavarian Fire Drill is the long-awaited expansion for Illuminati. It adds 110 new cards illustrated (mostly) by the redoubtable Dan Smith.

Control new and terrifying groups like Bloggers, Reality Shows, and Intelligent Design. Will you use Embedded Reporters and FEMA to destroy the Webcams, or will you be defeated by Bird Flu and Bobbleheads? Fans of the mega-hit INWO will recall the Deprogrammers and Science Alarmists, as well as more of the best groups from the best-selling conspiracy CCG.

BFD also introduces a new kind of card: Artifacts! Some are magical, some are technological, some are just . . . strange. But all of them give their owners an unfair advantage in the struggle for world domination. Hitler's Brain, the Spear of Longinus, the Screaming Meme - and these are just the beginning.

Bavarian Fire Drill. You know what it means, but your cover demands you pretend not to . . .




gabriel777
Is there or is there not a Russian Israeli mafia?

In other words are there some Russian Israelis who operate illegal arms deals behind the scenes?

I submit it is within the realm of possibility. And they may be acting outside any Israeli government involvement, like the italian mafia did in Italy.

Perhaps more shall be revealed about this.
gabriel777
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jul 8 2008, 05:58 PM) *
It's called a colloquialism.

Are Jews not allowed to use it?

Or only Zionist Jews?

I also sometimes say "Jesus H. Christ it's cold outside!" too, but honestly, I really doubt he had a middle name starting with "H."

Bonus observation: what was Harry S Truman's middle name?

What was "Meadowlark" Lemon's real name?

Your other points are interesting. Yes, if Jung was correct, we all have a Shadow archetype... not just Israelis.

Perhaps we could discuss the phenomenon that Freud and Jung called "projection" sometime.

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carmenjonze
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jul 8 2008, 03:14 PM) *
I defeat them singlehandedly every day.



http://www.sjgames.com/illuminati/bfd/

Bavarian Fire Drill is the long-awaited expansion for Illuminati. It adds 110 new cards illustrated (mostly) by the redoubtable Dan Smith.

Control new and terrifying groups like Bloggers, Reality Shows, and Intelligent Design. Will you use Embedded Reporters and FEMA to destroy the Webcams, or will you be defeated by Bird Flu and Bobbleheads? Fans of the mega-hit INWO will recall the Deprogrammers and Science Alarmists, as well as more of the best groups from the best-selling conspiracy CCG.

BFD also introduces a new kind of card: Artifacts! Some are magical, some are technological, some are just . . . strange. But all of them give their owners an unfair advantage in the struggle for world domination. Hitler's Brain, the Spear of Longinus, the Screaming Meme - and these are just the beginning.

Bavarian Fire Drill. You know what it means, but your cover demands you pretend not to . . .




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carmenjonze
QUOTE (Eyeswideopen @ Jul 8 2008, 12:59 PM) *
Does anyone here know anything about CAMERA and their alleged "influence" on media outlets?


Only what the CTs say about it.

Both parties look pretty biased, from where I sit.
Seeker1
QUOTE (gabriel777 @ Jul 8 2008, 07:28 PM) *
Is there or is there not a Russian Israeli mafia?


What do you mean? Were there organized crime figures in Russia who were Jewish and took advantage of that to move to Israel in the waning days of the Soviet Union? Yes. Were all the organized crime figures in Russia Jewish? No. Did all of the ones that were leave and go to Israel in the 90s? No.

I'm not denying that. To suggest that that particular sector of the global universe of organized crime - "McMafia", if you want - is more powerful than any of the others - well there I take exception. I would consider them just part of the soup. The main point of Misha Glenny's book is exactly this - organized crime exists in every region of the world and is made up of people from every possible ethnic group. Glenny also takes a long look at the Japanese Yakuza.

Are some of the so-called "Russian Oligarchs" Jewish? Well, yes, and again, it depends on how you count, it might be ~50-70%. Two of the ones frequently identified as such converted to Russian Orthodoxy and insist they are no longer Jewish. Some of them have been Russian Orthodox from birth. However, as anticapitalist as I might be, I don't equate their positions with them being leaders of organized crime, although, of course, from a strict Marxist point of view, all capitalist activity is a kind of organized crime.

Three of the prominent non-Jewish Russian Oligarchs inherited their positions because they actually were heads of Soviet era ministries, and held positions specifically closed to Jews.

A lot of the Israeli "criminal syndicates" that people like Madsen like to go after mostly sell Ecstasy (MDMA) to ravers in the U.S. They are not exactly dealing in PCP, cocaine, or heroin. MDMA is not an addictive narcotic, and while it may be dangerous if used habitually, it was actually being used for therapeutic purposes in the 1980s - as one of 5by5's recent posts mentioned.















Seeker1
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 8 2008, 07:42 PM) *
Only what the CTs say about it.

Both parties look pretty biased, from where I sit.


I think CAMERA is too hardline, ideologically, for me. Sometimes, I read their stuff and I feel like I'm listening to a Likud propaganda outlet.

I don't know how much influence they have on the media; like a lot of "media watchdog" groups, I imagine they and FLAME try to influence the media, maybe just like FAIR or AIM try to... I doubt any of these groups are particularly successful. (BTW, if Jews and/or "Zionists" control the media, then it would seem to me a group like CAMERA or FLAME wouldn't even need to exist ... now would it?)

The main bias in the media is corporate, and the main driver is profit. In point of fact, I would argue one definite bias I see in the media is that they often report on stories about conflict in Israel/Palestine, but little or no reporting on groups working to create peace and cooperation. But that makes sense. As we know from the primary election coverage, conflict sells.




thomasBean
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jul 8 2008, 05:58 PM) *
1) Bonus observation: what was Harry S Truman's middle name?

2) What was "Meadowlark" Lemon's real name?

3) Your other points are interesting. Yes, if Jung was correct, we all have a Shadow archetype... not just Israelis.

4) Perhaps we could discuss the phenomenon that Freud and Jung called "projection" sometime.


____________

1) If we start playing trivial pursuit for bonus points...we will all find ourselves dealing with "known unknowns".

KNOWN (if we look up) UNKNOWNS (until we look it up).


2) Hmmmmm.


3) You will like Becker's two books "Denial of Death" that covers alot of ground...with a style that pursed it down to make it available to more readers. Chapter 8 in "Escape from Evil" is good on "characterizing the Nazis as all too human, and therefore "all too inhumane" in their saddistic failed attempts at killing their own repressed guilt by murdering Jewish children.

4) No expert on Jung or Freud. Fair to say "...why do you see the splinter of sin in your brothers eye, when you have a log in your own eye?"

A quick easy explanation of UNCONSCIOUS repressed guilt--PROJECTED ONTO THE ENEMY OTHER...and CONSCIOUS DISPLACED SIN THE enemy other.

Guilt and anxiety....gets dealt with by Becker better than I could remember.

If you want a good book....DENIAL OF DEATH, and ESCAPE FROM EVIL...will leave you thinking about things in another way.

Ammo to win psuedo intellectual debates with info...that is usually unknown to others..........I prefer to just tip people off rather than "use it for my apotheosis" when it was...Becker's book based on alot of scholarship.
thomasBean
QUOTE (Eyeswideopen @ Jul 8 2008, 03:23 PM) *
Don't you see that the same corrupt forces, now controlling our own government, are bankrupting our nation? They use the same modus operandi: lies, fabricated evidence, blackmail, bribery, murder, weapons and drug smuggling, and money laundering, to enrich and empower themselves, as they drain the treasury and disempower the American people. Yes, the same kind of failed policies and CORRUPTION is at play in the U.S. today.




Yes.

People in Authority are acting like it's all over.

I think it is the end times.

We are really mobbed up.

We have alot of Israeli influence in our national security state.

I don't get it.

I just cannot imagine FBI OR DOJ OR DIA OR CIA cow towing to any other foreign country.

Heard capital flight to china is ongoing.....people are running with their dollar overseas.

We are dead........ended into Depression.
thomasBean
QUOTE (Sinisterblogger @ Jul 8 2008, 03:24 PM) *
Could we, perhaps, just for once, not post crap like this without linking to a valid news source?




http://www.madcowprod.com/05212008.html



CIA Drug Pilot Linked to Russian Mob


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May 21 2008
by Daniel Hopsicker









The Guyanese pilot implicated by a former Customs agent as part of a ring of corrupt Customs officials being investigated by the Dept. of Homeland Security was in the news again recently as part of another scandal, this time in his native Guyana.

Michael Francis Brassington, whose name is a footnote in the 9/11 investigation, was named in a procurement scandal over the disputed purchase by the Guyana Defense Forces of two antique 30-year old helicopters from a 'dummy' company in Delaware that sounds suspiciously like a front for the CIA, the ironically-named “Global X Group.”

The company may have no visible corporate history and a suspiciously- improbable name, but today one thing "Global X Group" does have is a whole lot of Guyanese Government cash.

The citizenry of the tiny impoverished South American country of Guyana were up in arms over the scam, which fleeced them of $1.5 million, a sizable sum in a country with a deteriorated infrastructure, bad housing, poor sanitation... and an unfinished sports stadium with an unpaved parking lot in the capital of Georgetown, which one determined blogger is attempting to shame the Government into completing.


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Sinisterblogger
no, I said a VALID source.
Seeker1
QUOTE (thomasBean @ Jul 9 2008, 06:17 PM) *
1) If we start playing trivial pursuit for bonus points...we will all find ourselves dealing with "known unknowns".


Come on, guy, I'm probing for your sense of humor. While dodging the bullets of the CONspiracy, don't you have time for a joke?

Harry S Truman's middle name was "S". Dig it. That was my point.

QUOTE
2) Hmmmmm.


"Meadowlark's" real name was Meadowlark Lemon. It's not a nickname. See above.

I like Becker's writings. I've read articles where his work is discussed. So no, I'm not unfamiliar.

The problem is, you tend to keep hitting on one of my persistent mental blocks that prevent me from having a serious conversation, and that word is (fnord) "Illuminati".








thomasBean
QUOTE (Sinisterblogger @ Jul 9 2008, 06:38 PM) *
no, I said a VALID source.




You don't like Hopsicker?


He's dug up alot of angles to 9/11 links to a Shadow Government.


A valid source would be?....mainstream media?


They don't cover the news.


They are the Government.
Sinisterblogger
QUOTE (thomasBean @ Jul 10 2008, 03:38 PM) *
You don't like Hopsicker?


He's dug up alot of angles to 9/11 links to a Shadow Government.


A valid source would be?....mainstream media?


They don't cover the news.


They are the Government.


A valid source would be a legitimate news outfit. Some guy's blog, especially a conspiracy nut, does not a valid source make.
thomasBean
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jul 9 2008, 09:35 PM) *
Come on, guy, I'm probing for your sense of humor. While dodging the bullets of the CONspiracy, don't you have time for a joke?

Harry S Truman's middle name was "S". Dig it. That was my point.



"Meadowlark's" real name was Meadowlark Lemon. It's not a nickname. See above.

I like Becker's writings. I've read articles where his work is discussed. So no, I'm not unfamiliar.

The problem is, you tend to keep hitting on one of my persistent mental blocks that prevent me from having a serious conversation, and that word is (fnord) "Illuminati".




I THOUGHT that Dumsfield's "doublespeak" when he talked seriously about "known unknowns" was funny...and somehow...had it's own logical illogic. That is humor...that is serious....called "the absurd"?

Harry Truman's middle name is S.

This guy didn't abbreviate his middle name....he just had a consonant?

That is odd?

How many people know that?

What does that say about his mother?


ILLUMINATI.....hmmmm....it is a bizarre world....and many have tried to organize the secret groups into one Shadow Government heirarchy....with OPUS DEI, Masons, CFR, Bilderbergers, Bohemian Grove....hmmm...well...elite Deviance says it all.


The Byrds sang, "....I am sorry...i'm not that fun anymore".

These are serious times.

All hell is blowing loose.

The End Times?

No humor in me or for me or about me.

I used to be fun loving....but I'm not that fun anymore.




Carry on.


Watch the End Times occur.


We are all definitely doomed.....to go toward the light after suffering that has not been seen in this country since THE GREAT DEPRESSION.


It's all over.


No hope.


There never was--mortality, the existential crisis...etc.
thomasBean
QUOTE (Sinisterblogger @ Jul 10 2008, 04:43 PM) *
A valid source would be a legitimate news outfit. Some guy's blog, especially a conspiracy nut, does not a valid source make.




valid sources...ARE KNOWN UNKNOWNS in that Bill O'Reilly is "known" on TV with snazzy graphics, editing, marketing, propaganda...etc...but, "the control of his talking points" that he follows is UNKNOWN.


You don't like independent journalists who use the phone and check documents at the court house?


I don't think you will ever accept Rod Stich either...despite the fact...his books are written from the point of the whistleblowers who got piss pounded.


Okay.


Find FBI WHISTLEBLOWER GERAL SOSBEE'S WEBSITE..............read his journal about being harassed....IS THIS A VALID SOURCE FROM THE INTERNET and therefore IS NOT A CORPORATE VALID SOURCE MEDIA STORY?


You've been brainwashed into thinking the MSM is the truth, and the only truth.


Journalism is............today's history right now. It is a version of the truth.


Who could make up Hopsicker's stories ? He talked to ATTA's hooker girlfriend to find that ATTA hacked her kittens up into pieces? That is a story...no?
carmenjonze
QUOTE (thomasBean @ Jul 10 2008, 01:44 PM) *
Watch the End Times occur.


"The End Times": World's oldest never-occurring prediction.
Sinisterblogger
QUOTE (thomasBean @ Jul 10 2008, 03:49 PM) *
valid sources...ARE KNOWN UNKNOWNS in that Bill O'Reilly is "known" on TV with snazzy graphics, editing, marketing, propaganda...etc...but, "the control of his talking points" that he follows is UNKNOWN.


You don't like independent journalists who use the phone and check documents at the court house?


I don't think you will ever accept Rod Stich either...despite the fact...his books are written from the point of the whistleblowers who got piss pounded.


Okay.


Find FBI WHISTLEBLOWER GERAL SOSBEE'S WEBSITE..............read his journal about being harassed....IS THIS A VALID SOURCE FROM THE INTERNET and therefore IS NOT A CORPORATE VALID SOURCE MEDIA STORY?


You've been brainwashed into thinking the MSM is the truth, and the only truth.


Journalism is............today's history right now. It is a version of the truth.


Who could make up Hopsicker's stories ? He talked to ATTA's hooker girlfriend to find that ATTA hacked her kittens up into pieces? That is a story...no?


I think I'm kinda done with this thread. Thanks, though.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (thomasBean @ Jul 10 2008, 01:49 PM) *
You've been brainwashed into thinking the MSM is the truth, and the only truth.


They said "valid source", not "MSM".

How is anybody who believes in "Illuminati" and "The End Times" going to call someone else "brainwashed"?
TammyStickers
QUOTE (Eyeswideopen @ Jul 8 2008, 04:01 PM) *


I see that you are still at it. Do you ever post anything except antisemitic falsehoods off of the wayne madesen site?
thomasBean
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 10 2008, 04:14 PM) *
They said "valid source", not "MSM".

How is anybody who believes in "Illuminati" and "The End Times" going to call someone else "brainwashed"?




Again..."what is a valid source?"


Hopsicker talked to ATTA's hooker girlfriend, and wrote a great piece called "TOP TEN THINGS YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT ATTA".


That's not valid sourced journalism?....because it was not carried by UPI, AP, USA today?


I know what you are implying...you just won't admit it, and then..."I'm done with this string" so I won't be forced to enter a battlefield where I cannot win.

I've seen that alot.
Eyeswideopen
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jul 8 2008, 07:58 PM) *
The main bias in the media is corporate, and the main driver is profit. In point of fact, I would argue one definite bias I see in the media is that they often report on stories about conflict in Israel/Palestine, but little or no reporting on groups working to create peace and cooperation. But that makes sense. As we know from the primary election coverage, conflict sells.

Yes, and the coporate-controlled media makes money off of war, not just war coverage. They have an agenda that is warlike and confrontational, which translates to profits. That makes the mainstream media natural bedfellows with warmongering political extremists. Rarely are the warmongers predominantly liberal. As you said, the msm rarely mentions those engaged in the art of peacemaking.

Seeker1
QUOTE (thomasBean @ Jul 10 2008, 04:44 PM) *
This guy didn't abbreviate his middle name....he just had a consonant?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman

His parents chose "S" as his middle name, in attempt to please both of Harry's grandfathers, Anderson Shippe Truman and Solomon Young; the initial did not actually stand for anything, as was a common practice among Scots-Irish.

QUOTE
No hope.


I choose Cynicism over Pessimism. I believe there is hope. I think people putting it in powers and potentates are looking in the wrong place. It lies in all of us.


Eyeswideopen
QUOTE (TammyStickers @ Jul 11 2008, 10:01 AM) *
I see that you are still at it. Do you ever post anything except antisemitic falsehoods off of the wayne madesen site?

Is that a serious question? If you look at my posts, you can see that I post from many sources. Neither am I aware of any "falsehoods" I am posting. Please prove what falsehood I have posted, not by merely proclaiming it so according to your personal opinion, but with evidence.

I think you are WRONG to suggest that Madsen's site is "antisemitic". Do you really think that any story which reflects badly on Israel's government, is antisemitic? Likewise, do you think articles critical of the U.S government are anti-Christian? Do you really think Randi Rhodes would invite Madsen on her show if he were guilty of antisemitic rants? Do you think PBS' News Hour would? Hey, maybe, just maybe, the PREJUDICE is coming from you.

By the way, since you bring up my posting habits, I do post excerpts from significant stories, which are not fully reported elsewhere, as I find them. Since I am a subscriber on the WMR, I often find them there and I am aware that most people are not subscribers, although some other RRMB members are. Wishing to spread awareness and inspire consideration is my sole purpose. Some people appreciate those scoops. It is up to everyone who reads them to decide what significance they may or may not merit.
thomasBean
QUOTE (Sinisterblogger @ Jul 10 2008, 03:43 PM) *
A valid source would be a legitimate news outfit. Some guy's blog, especially a conspiracy nut, does not a valid source make.




MATT DRUDGE was fed the Monica gate semen stained blue dress story....no?


He had sources...yes?


He was on the internet...so this was a valid source?



The truth is the truth...don't matter what bond paper it is printed on...no?
Eyeswideopen
This attitude that only certain "approved" sources are legitimate smacks of censorship. The press, whether mainstream of alternative, can only flourish if it is free. Without a free press, democracy dies. Let the people decide who and what they will believe, but the attitude of some is that we cannot be trusted to decide for ourselves, therefore, we better not read "unapproved" information. Pretty scary.
thomasBean
QUOTE (Eyeswideopen @ Jul 11 2008, 04:15 PM) *
Some people appreciate those scoops. It is up to everyone who reads them to decide what significance they may or may not merit.



EXACTLY.


I've always been WMR fan.



Here's an example from my blog:


from WAYNE MADSEN REPORT:


May 22, 2007 --

WMR has received documents sent to one of the presidential campaigns from Leonard D. Wallace, a former business associate of former Enron Vice Chairman J. Clifford Baxter, that provides details of Al Qaeda and the 9/11 attacks being financed through Citigroup/Citibank.


The document states that Baxter, who was to appear before a congressional committee to testify on Enron's dubious business practices, died from a reported suicide on January 18, 2002. According to the document received from Baxter's associate, the former Vice Chairman of Enron was planning to expose Citigroup's knowledge of Saudi banks, some of which it had a financial stake, were funding the terrorists who were responsible for carrying out the 9/11 attacks.


Wallace writes, "this cover-up of criminal misconduct has certainly been perpetrated both at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC and at Citigroup's 399 Park Avenue address in New York City." The document goes on to state, "Alberto Gonzales, and the U.S. Department of Justice that he heads, have successfully blocked any investigation of Citigroup, despite evidence that has been presented to them."



Wallace also writes, "I was brought into this spider web of greed and illegality by J. Clifford Baxter, a business associate of mine who was at one time vice chairman of Enron. Through his relationship with Robert Rubin at Citigroup's Chairman's Suite in New York City, in August 2001, I became privy to a series of business transactions planned by Citigroup that I began to realize were not only illegal but also aiding international terrorism from Saudi Arabia. I complained to Citigroup's senior executives and their board, and Cliff told me and others that he was going to expose this bank fraud of Citigroup and Saudi banks. Then, about 30 days after my first letter to Citigroup's chairman, Cliff suddenly died on January 18, 2002 from what is to this day still considered a very questionable suicide."


In a letter dated February 14, 2005 to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, Wallace presents the background of his case: "I had a prior association in a $1.5 billion armored vehicle project with J. Clifford Baxter, the former Enron executive who died mysteriously in January 2002. As a result of that project, there are two public companies that can corroborate my participation and the integrity with which I conducted myself.


In August 2001, Cliff told me that he was involving me in securing $5 billion in loans and the subsequent investment of these funds. The collateral was to be located at Citibank Singapore, and he said that he would provide me with 4 pages of posting instructions."


The loan deal eventually was handed over to a Citibank Miami vice president -- on September 10, 2001. Wallace writes, "During the next 100 days, up until mid-December, Citigroup, through its headquarters and elsewhere, clearly orchestrated a well-coordinated conspiracy whose major impacts were going to be the defrauding of another bank and the acquisition of ill-gotten gains that would be received and/or distributed to others by Citigroup's senior management. It was represented to me by Citigroup officials and their documentation that the "others" included Account 98 activities, which I later learned were synonymous with the funding of terrorist organizations."


"Citigroup Singapore supplied a false inventory and authentication about Federal Reserve Bonds that supposedly were being used as collateral for the $5 billion loans. Citibank headquarters in Manhattan and Citibank Miami confirmed the authenticity of these bogus bonds. The posting instructions they provided me referred to Account 98s to be managed by unknown operatives in Saudi Arabia at SAMBA Bank, of which Citigroup was a major stockholder." [WMR previously reported on and provided a canceled SAMBA (Saudi American Bank) check written to a group affiliated with Hamas. This editor was personally told by a former chief of Mossad in October 2002 that if one wanted to find out where Al Qaeda received its funding, one would need not look further than the six largest U.S. banks, one of which is Citigroup].

carmenjonze
QUOTE (Eyeswideopen @ Jul 11 2008, 03:10 PM) *
This attitude that only certain "approved" sources are legitimate smacks of censorship.


Oh please, not that old "censorship" b.s. again.

What makes WMR any better than Washington Times or any other "MSM"? The fact alone that it's not "MSM"?

I really hope this is not your standard of "truth".
thomasBean
More proof that WMR is a "valid source" of news info worthy of my time:








From WAYNE MADSEN REPORT:

July 13, 2006 --

Another suspicious death in Enron probe. A British banker who was involved in the criminal investigation of Enron was found dead yesterday in Waltham Forest, in east London. Neil Coulbeck, 53, was the former Head of Group Treasury at the Royal Bank of Scotland, the bank that purchased National Westminster Bank (NatWest), the bank which is the subject of the Enron investigation. Three NatWest bankers -- David Bermingham, Gary Mulgrew, and Giles Darby -- have been ordered by a British court to be extradited to Houston to stand trial in a multi-million dollar fraud scheme involving Enron.



----British business leaders have condemned the decision to extradite the three. Coulbeck, who was based in the United States, allegedly approved a deal by Bermingham, Mulgrew, and Darby, in which NatWest sold a Cayman Islands company to Enron for less than its actual value. The three had purchased shares in the company before they sold it, raking in 1.5 million British pounds each. The Cayman company, SwapSub, was later used by Enron to secretly move large sums of cash and support off-balance sheet transactions of its subsidiaries.



----The British civil rights organization Liberty has stated that FBI agents "hounded" Mr. Coulbeck, who was reportedly a key figure in the case against Enron. FBI agents traveled to Britain to interview Coulbeck. The fact that FBI agents were threatening to a citizen of another nation on foreign soil is yet another indication that the Bush regime continues to trample on the rights of Americans and those abroad. If Coulbeck was as important to the case against the NatWest bankers and Enron as the British media is reporting, there is no reason why the FBI should have threatened Coulbeck unless they were engaged in witness intimidation, a crime. There is also a question as to what role the FBI may have played in Coulbeck's suspicious death.


----Coulbeck's death, which some British sources are reporting to be a "suicide," is eerily similar to that of British Ministry of Defense weapons expert Dr. David Kelly. The bodies of Coulbeck and Kelly were found in the woods. In Kelly's case, the Hutton Commission concluded that his death was a suicide, even though many questions remained unanswered about his death. Most of the corporate British press are speculating Coulbeck's death was a suicide, there is hardly any mention of the more likely scenario -- that he was murdered to keep him silent about a politically-charged criminal investigation that may link to Number Ten Downing Street and the White House. The Enron probe has been wracked by "suicides" and untimely deaths, including that of former Enron officer Cliff Baxter in Houston and Kenneth Lay in Aspen, Colorado.



Enron bodies continue to pile up: First it was chief witness Cliff Baxter (left), then Ken Lay (right), and now Neil Coulbeck.



Coulbeck's death followed the arrest of Tony Blair's close friend, major fundraiser, and tennis partner Lord Michael Levy. Levy, the architect of Blair's "New Labor" program, which saw the traditional workers' party turn away from labor unions and to big business for contributions (the mirror image of that "Third Way" initiative in the United States is the Democratic Leadership Council, which also turned away from unions and toward big corporations for contributions), was arrested by London Metropolitan Police for his role in selling House of Lord peerages and New Year's honors in return for large contributions to the Labor Party.



The death of Coulbeck, the granting of extraterritorial rights to the FBI in Britain, and the arrest of Levy suggests that the Blair regime is merely a corrupt adjunct of the Bush crime cartel. It is strongly rumored that once he leaves Number Ten, Blair will be offered a lucrative spot on the international board of the Carlyle Group -- joining George H. W. Bush, former Secretary of State James Baker, and former British Prime Minister John Major.

Yesterday, just after Coulbeck's body was discovered in the East London woods, the elder Bush and Baker attended Enron founder "Kenny Boy" Lay's memorial service in Houston. Lay died in Aspen on July 5 from a reported heart attack. Lay's wealth, including any that may have been hidden in off-shore locations like the Cayman Islands, will now remain with his estate instead of being confiscated by the government. Lay's body was reportedly cremated.

________________


That's good reporting...no?


Lots more on ENRON special purpose entities used to...fund terrorism?...black ops like election fraud in Houston?
thomasBean
More reasons to trust WMR on his stories:







http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

July 11, 2006 --

The tenth anniversary of the TWA 800 crash off of Long Island, July 17, 2006, is approaching and the mainstream media, as expected, will be spinning the "official" conclusion that the Boeing 747 crashed as the result of center fuel tank spontaneous combustion. WMR has learned from FBI sources that TWA 800 was shot down on July 17, 1996, by a Stinger missile fired from a leased speedboat by individuals associated with white supremacists and neo-Nazis. The late ABC News correspondent and President Kennedy Press Secretary Pierre Salinger reported that TWA 800 was brought down by a missile fired from a Navy ship. Salinger had the story only partially incorrect.


----TWA 800 was brought down by a Stinger missile stolen in 1993 in a major weapons heist by right-wing militia members from Navy ships anchored off the coast of the U.S. Coastal Systems Base in Panama City, Florida, according to Navy and FBI investigators who investigated the theft.


According to FBI and Florida law enforcement officials, after the United Klans of America was disbanded after a successful lawsuit brought in 1987 by the Southern Poverty Law Center, much of the Klan and Aryan Brotherhood began doing business under a new name: the Northwest Florida Horsemen's Association, operating mainly out of Washington County in the Florida Panhandle. The new incarnation of the Klan in Washington County, Florida, attracted a number of ex-military members after Bill Clinton became President.

----These included Timothy McVeigh and his Army boot camp friend Terry Nichols. In small towns like Chipley in the Florida Panhandle, the future Oklahoma City bombers would cross paths with those who would plan the Stinger attack on TWA 800.



Oklahoma City bombers Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols crossed paths with future TWA 800 attackers in Florida Panhandle.


But the newly-established Klan and Aryan Brotherhood also attracted the attention of the FBI, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and the Washington County Sheriff, particularly after the mail bombing campaign directed at U.S. Federal judges in the South and the theft by Klan members of weapons from Florida National Guard armories. In 1993, 214 Stinger missiles, along with a number of AR-15 assault rifles, were stolen from Navy supply ships stationed off the coast of Panama City's Naval Base.


----The ships, stationed off Panama City since the mid-1980s, maintained full stocks of arms and ammunition in the event they had to be deployed quickly to the Middle East or some other hotspot. According to law enforcement sources in Florida, a number of base officials, including those involved with the security of the base and the pre-stocked ships, were also associated with the white supremacist groups active in the Panhandle.


----The Naval Investigative Service, FBI, BATF and the Washington County Sheriff investigated the theft of the weapons but were stymied by a lack of cooperation from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which according to law enforcement sources, was riddled with officers tied to the Klan and cocaine and weapons smuggling operations involving a number of businessmen and covert intelligence operatives who were also close to the Bush family and their Florida cohorts.


The Klan and their Florida business friends were responsible for smuggling drugs and weapons into Los Angeles and reaping lucrative profits from the mainly African-American gangs who they did business with through criminal intermediaries. In one case, the Klan sent 1000 machine guns from Callaway, Florida to street gangs in Los Angeles.

After the Oklahoma City Murrah Federal Office Building bombing on April 15, 1995, the right-wing militia nationally put out an alert. They expected raids by the BATF, FBI, and other law enforcement agencies in reaction to the involvement of two of their numbers -- McVeigh and Nichols -- in the Oklahoma bombing.


----The militias decided to use their purloined Stingers to bring down U.S. passenger planes. An FBI informant with whom WMR spoke stated that the FBI and Washington County Sheriff's Office first became aware of the theft and possession of the Stingers by the militias when the militia members began discussing the possible sale of the weapons to other militia groups in Panama City. These groups had been penetrated by FBI and local sheriff's informants.


----The FBI had sought, unsuccessfully, to retrieve the Stingers by having its informants in the militias offer $30,000 in cash [what the FBI considered was the going rate for street purchases]. There were no takers. In response to the obvious threat posed by the stolen surface-to-air missiles, President Clinton reportedly ordered anti-missile defenses to be enhanced for Air Force One, Marine One, and other VIP aircraft.


The FBI informant with whom WMR spoke also stated that two of the stolen Stingers were transported in early 1996 by a Panama City Naval Base employee to Tennessee where they were then put on a single engine private plane that flew them to New York. TWA 800 was downed by what a number of witnesses said was a ground launched missile on July 17, 1996, just ten days before another right-wing radical associated with the Aryan Brotherhood, Eric Rudolph, detonated a pipe bomb in Atlanta's Centennial Olympic Park, killing an African American and wounding dozens of others.



NTSB Identification: DCA96MA070

Scheduled 14 CFR 121 operation of TRANSWORLD AIRWAYS (D.B.A. TWA)

Accident occurred JUL-17-96 at EAST MORICHES, NY
Aircraft: Boeing 747, registration: N93119
Injuries: 230 Fatal.




----On July 17, 1996, about 8:45pm, TWA flight 800, N93119, a Boeing 747-100, crashed into the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Long Island shortly after takeoff from Kennedy International Airport. The airplane was on a regularly scheduled flight to Paris, France. The initial reports are that witnesses saw an explosion and then debris descending to the ocean. There are no reports of the flight crew reporting a problem to air traffic control. The airplane was manufactured in November 1971. It has accumulated about 93,303 flight hours and 16,869 cycles. On board the airplane were 212 passengers and 18 crew members. The airplane was destroyed and there were no survivors.


NTSB Official Notification of TWA 800 Crash



As with Oklahoma City, the missile attack on TWA 800 was covered up by law enforcement agencies and political interests who saw no benefit in advertising the fact that most terrorist attacks in the United States have been carried out by white, racist, and self-proclaimed "Christian" identity advocates who have had past and current connections with members of the U.S. military, law enforcement, and the Republican Party.

________




That's good journalism...no?
carmenjonze
QUOTE (thomasBean @ Jul 11 2008, 03:27 PM) *
More reasons to trust WMR on his stories:


You mean that guy who claimed Condi was bonking Shrubya?

Ok, whatever you say.
thomasBean
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Jul 11 2008, 05:29 PM) *
You mean that guy who claimed Condi was bonking Shrubya?

Ok, whatever you say.





A British banker who was involved in the criminal investigation of Enron was found dead yesterday in Waltham Forest, in east London. Neil Coulbeck, 53, was the former Head of Group Treasury at the Royal Bank of Scotland[size="6"][/size]



bIGGEST PUMP AND DUMP STOCK SWINDLE IN THE HISTORY OF ORGANIZED CRIME...and Lay is tied to GOP and White House and TExas...and...you want to focus on sex with rice.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (thomasBean @ Jul 14 2008, 01:47 PM) *
A British banker who was involved in the criminal investigation of Enron was found dead yesterday in Waltham Forest, in east London. Neil Coulbeck, 53, was the former Head of Group Treasury at the Royal Bank of Scotland[size="6"][/size]



bIGGEST PUMP AND DUMP STOCK SWINDLE IN THE HISTORY OF ORGANIZED CRIME...and Lay is tied to GOP and White House and TExas...and...you want to focus on sex with rice.


Uh, no, that's Wayne Madsen's story, not mine.

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