maybe (just maybe) he's had himself an epiphany and trying to turn over a new leaf?

I'm fine with the fad -- people SHOULD be excited by all things green.

But they should not be manipulated by dirty carbon whores into thinking somehow those people give a shit about real progressive change.

Those people aren't in the "progressive change" business. They are in the "dinosaurs stuck in the mud" business -- LITERALLY.

I don't want their philosophy of scarcity poisoning this positive change too. Whatever they're selling, we ain't buying.

I'm fine with the fad -- people SHOULD be excited by all things green. ...

DECENTRALIZATION OF POWER GENERATION.[/b]

They want to continue ruling the world, but things like micro-generation (ie. the FACT that you can produce all the power you need WITHOUT the help of these greedy fucks and then SHARE any extra with others if the power grid is modernized to allow it) threaten their continued existence.

So they want to centralized their control over the emerging alternative energy options, before those pesky PEOPLE can get their grubby little hands on it.

Which is why somebody like T. Boone Pickins is suddenly acting like "he's got a plan to save us all" with his wind farm in Texas [oh, and the building of a whole bunch of new nuclear power plants].

Nevermind that I'd much rather get my wind power from a Native American Reservation than a Texas oil man like Pickins who:

Boy, 5by5, that first post of yours on this thread is about the most impressive I have ever seen...

I would like to save that somehow...extremely informative and explicitly complete.

Boy, 5by5, that first post of yours on this thread is about the most impressive I have ever seen...

I would like to save that somehow...extremely informative and explicitly complete.

So I'm watching Rachael Maddow subbing for the Olbermensch, and pretty much back to back, I see 4 supposedly "pro-alternate energy" commercials from.... Exxon and Texas oil-boy, T. Boone Pickins.

This is green-washing at it's most nauseating.

The same people who:

• Have RELENTLESSLY fucked up our environment,

• Worked TIRELESSLY blocking all progressive environmental legislation for the past 4 decades,

• Spent millions of dollars on disinformation campaigns to place doubts in people's minds about the SCIENCE of global cataastrophic climate change, and

• War-profiteered OUT THEIR ASS....

Are now trying to "position" themselves as our "saviors" from the crisis THEY HELPED CREATE.

The key thing happening here is, they can see the writing on the wall. They know their business is essentially OVER. So what they are concerned with now is not helping others, but rather preventing the one thing that REALLY threatens their bottom-line:

DECENTRALIZATION OF POWER GENERATION.

They want to continue ruling the world, but things like micro-generation (ie. the FACT that you can produce all the power you need WITHOUT the help of these greedy fucks and then SHARE any extra with others if the power grid is modernized to allow it) threaten their continued existence.

So they want to centralized their control over the emerging alternative energy options, before those pesky PEOPLE can get their grubby little hands on it.

Which is why somebody like T. Boone Pickins is suddenly acting like "he's got a plan to save us all" with his wind farm in Texas [oh, and the building of a whole bunch of new nuclear power plants].

Nevermind that I'd much rather get my wind power from a Native American Reservation than a Texas oil man like Pickins who:

• Gave $3 million dollars to the Swift Boat Veterans for [Lies].

• Gave $2.5 million dollars to the 527 group, [No] Progress For America to push privatizing Social Security [Read: Stealing old ladies lunch money].

• Contributed the maximum of $250,000 to Dumbya's SECOND campaign to steal the Presidency.

• Also given money to such Republican "geniuses" as Ted "Internet Tubes/Bridge to Nowhere" Stevens, Mitch "I Swear I'm Not Gay" McConnell, Larry "I Am Not Gay Either/Wide-Stance" Craig, Pete "Just Fire the U.S. Attorneys" Domenici, Tom "I Protect Sex Slavery in the Marianas Islands" Delay, Rick "Man-on-Dog" Santorum, Saxby "Likes to Smear Vietnam Vets" Chambliss, and Phil "Enron Loophole/High gas Prices" Gramm, among a parade of other morons and criminals.

• Chaired the celebration for the 40th anniversary of the [Moonie] American Spectator rag.

• Declared that Rudi Giuliani had a "proven track record of achieving the impossible" [Well putting the anti-terrorism center into the same building that was attacked earlier, yeah, that is impossibly STUPID].

• Is also currently buying up all the subsurface water rights in Texas [Apparently he didn't hear what happened to the fuckwits at Bechtel when they tried to "own" water in Bolivia, but "We the People " can teach that hard lesson again when he gets his ass kicked for charging outrageous oil-like prices for water.And people in Texas have GUNS, and lots of them. You take away their water, and I don't think they'll stop with the house-arrest the Bolivians ended with against their oppressors. I pretty much think they're gonna blow your damn head off.]

Here's the thing, people like this could pour green tech all over themselves for the next thousand years, it's STILL not gonna get the stain of either oil OR BLOOD off their hands, so I humbly submit they should cut the crap, because nobody's buying their bullshit anymore.

THIS is their legacy:





And N-O-T-H-I-N-G will ever change that.

Why do we have to rely on mega corps at all?

The whole point of micro-generation is that you generate the power YOURSELF.

It's working like gangbusters in Germany and Denmark, where both countries simply committed to giving tax subsidies for the next 20 years to all home ot apartment owners who generate their own clean power via solar or wind generation.

Decentralization and LOCAL control is where it's at -- not just with power, but with jobs and food too.

Here's the link to a NOVA program which covers a lot of this including HOW the Germans came to produce over 20% of their energy from solar.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/solar/program.html

QUOTE (5by5 @ Jul 9 2008, 09:16 AM)
I'm fine with the fad -- people SHOULD be excited by all things green.

But they should not be manipulated by dirty carbon whores into thinking somehow those people give a shit about real progressive change.

Those people aren't in the "progressive change" business. They are in the "dinosaurs stuck in the mud" business -- LITERALLY.

where theres money to be made, they will come.

The reality check is that this is a capatlistic nation, but the capitalists are fewer and fewer, having gobbled up all the money; and then you have the Fed closing the doors of banks like IndyMac today, and who will pay the depositors? the taxpayer will foot that bill too - just like they pay for illegal war and illegal wiretapping on themselves.

So where does the entrepreneur come in?

T. Boone Pickens Responds to Al Gore's Climate Speech
Pickens: Gore's Global Warming Plan Ignores Crippling Stranglehold Foreign Oil Has on America's Economic and National Security Reducing the $700 Billion Annual Spend on Foreign Imported Oil is Most Important Issue Facing our Country Today

Last update: 4:25 p.m. EDT July 17, 2008
NEW YORK, Jul 17, 2008 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- The following statement was issued today by Texas oilman, T. Boone Pickens, who last week unveiled a comprehensive and practical plan to reduce foreign oil imports by more than 30%, or $300 billion, in the next 5 - 10 years.

"Today, former Vice President Al Gore put forward a framework of a plan that is focused on global warming and climate issues. My plan is aimed squarely at breaking the stranglehold that foreign oil has on our country and the $700 billion annual impact it has on our economy. We import 70% of our oil and that number is growing larger every year.

Vice President Gore's plan does not address this enormous problem, it is clear that he and I have two different objectives and our plans should be viewed with that in mind."

"I believe that elements of any realistic plan to reduce our deadly addiction to foreign oil should encompass the following:

-- Will it slash oil imports by at least 30% in 10 years?
-- Does it rely 100% on domestic energy resources?
-- Does it rely on existing and proven technologies?
-- Can it be on line within 10 years?
-- Can it be done by private investment?

Unveiled on July 8th, the Pickens Plan will reduce the amount of foreign oil imported by more than one third within the next decade, or $300 billion annually. It focuses on our abundant domestic renewable resources available and would harness extensive use of wind power, a resource the Department of Energy this year recognized can generate more than 20 percent of our electricity needs. This wind energy can replace the natural gas currently being used to operate power plants around the country, and the released natural gas can be redirected and used as a cleaner, more cost effective fuel in our transportation system. Pickens believes the infrastructure can be built by private enterprise within the next 10 years.

"It's time for us to take responsibility for the problem we've created and act now. The Federal Government should provide the leadership to clear the way for action and private enterprise should build the infrastructure to get it done. Only in that way can we recapture our energy destiny."

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/t-bo...D&dist=hppr

Pickens is currently the head of BP Capital Management, a secretive hedge fund (aren't they all?) that has extensive connections to the magnate's [supposedly] hated "foreign oil" interests. The most glaring example from its investment portfolio is Halliburton, which was once run by U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney, is currently headquartered not in America but Dubai, and whose main business segments and subsidiaries involve oil exploration, construction, production and refining. And that's not mentioning its resume on rampant fraud and corruption, especially in Iraq but also elsewhere, which has so far cost American taxpayers billions.

But Halliburton isn't the only BP Cap holding that stinks. Pickens is also heavily invested in Schlumberger, the world's largest oil services corporation; nuclear and conventional energy powerhouse Shaw Group; the embattled ex-Halliburton subsidiary Kellog Brown and Root and so on. For a very rich man who decries the influence foreign oil has on American life, Pickens sure hasn't put his money where his mouth is. He's put his money where the oil is.

I think that the timing of Pickens' proposal coming to the forefront right when Gore had pledged to campaign for Obama is very suspect. Just when Gore vows to do all he can do to assure a Democrat in the White House in comes Pickens to take Gore's biggest platform - alternative energy and environment - away from him.

maybe (just maybe) he's had himself an epiphany and trying to turn over a new leaf?

Boy, 5by5, that first post of yours on this thread is about the most impressive I have ever seen...

I would like to save that somehow...extremely informative and explicitly complete.

Yeah, 5x5 is good like that!!!!

Great. Now he's got the CEO of the frickin' Cheesecake Factory shilling for his "natural gas alternative".

But Pickens wants to make it the center of his plan.