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zatoichi
You neocons need to enlist as grunts. You know the types. Infantry. Yeah. Skyblue cord and all that. You need to go to Iraq and walk the walk rather than talk the talk.

We want you to get up close and personal with the real bad guys. Get going, get fit, get hooouuaa. Not in the rear with the gear, but seriously walk in patrols and such.

We want to spared the bullshit lines like, I am supporting them (but I am too much of a complete douchebag to do the hard stuff).
EVOLUTION
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Meanwhile....

"On Thursday, Speaker Nancy Pelosi will force the House to approve $163 billion more of our tax dollars for the occupation of Iraq - nearly $100 billion for 2008 plus nearly $70 billion more for 2009.

We are outraged. This Democratic Congress was elected to end the occupation, not fund it forever.

On Monday, a new Democrats.com poll found an overwhelming 68% of Americans want to bring our troops safely home within 6 months - a significant increase from 54% last September. Support among Democrats increased 14% to 85%, while support among Independents increased 20% to 78%. Why is the Democratic Congress defying the will of the overwhelming majority of Democrats and Independents?

Each day's news underscores how disastrous the occupation is. April was the deadliest month for U.S. soldiers since last September. One in five Iraq and Afghanistan veterans - roughly 300,000 - report symptoms of PTSD or major depression. The V.A. covered up the fact that 12,000 veterans attempt suicide each year while under V.A. treatment.

To make matters worse, Bush continues to use our occupation of Iraq as a reason to wage a covert war against Iran that could quickly turn to a wider and even more disastrous war. We know the Iraq War "marketing" was timed for the 2002 election - if John McCain is behind in the polls, will Bush " bomb bomb Iran " as an " October Surprise " to keep Republicans in power?"



DougfromVancouver
I find it amazing that neocans are not forming long lines outside recruiting offices.

Perhaps they have but the army is required to reject those with feeble minds.
jerome
The Congress was never going to defund this war. If they withheld funds, they'd get crucified in the media. Bush knows that, which is why the Congress has done nothing. They have a moral obligation to fund an active war.

Where they have failed, completely, is in oversight. The administration has on several occasions told the Congress that they just aren't going to comply with those subpoenas, and the Congress did nothing but sit back and say "Oh gosh! You're getting a sternly worded letter now!"

The Senate and House Majority Leaders need replaced.
Eyeswideopen
It's not just that Congress continues to fund the existing wars, they have also funded covert activities intended to wage a wider war.


Democrats Okay Funds for Covert Ops
Secret Bush "Finding" Widens War on Iran

By ANDREW COCKBURN

Six weeks ago, President Bush signed a secret finding authorizing a covert offensive against the Iranian regime that, according to those familiar with its contents, "unprecedented in its scope."

Bush’s secret directive covers actions across a huge geographic area – from Lebanon to Afghanistan – but is also far more sweeping in the type of actions permitted under its guidelines – up to and including the assassination of targeted officials. This widened scope clears the way, for example, for full support for the military arm of Mujahedin-e Khalq, the cultish Iranian opposition group, despite its enduring position on the State Department's list of terrorist groups.

Similarly, covert funds can now flow without restriction to Jundullah, or "army of god," the militant Sunni group in Iranian Baluchistan – just across the Afghan border -- whose leader was featured not long ago on Dan Rather Reports cutting his brother in law's throat.

Other elements that will benefit from U.S. largesse and advice include Iranian Kurdish nationalists, as well the Ahwazi arabs of south west Iran. Further afield, operations against Iran's Hezbollah allies in Lebanon will be stepped up, along with efforts to destabilize the Syrian regime.

All this costs money, which in turn must be authorized by Congress, or at least a by few witting members of the intelligence committees. That has not proved a problem. An initial outlay of $300 million to finance implementation of the finding has been swiftly approved with bipartisan support, apparently regardless of the unpopularity of the current war and the perilous condition of the U.S. economy.

Until recently, the administration faced a serious obstacle to action against Iran in the form of Centcom commander Admiral William Fallon, who made no secret of his contempt for official determination to take us to war. In a widely publicized incident last January, Iranian patrol boats approached a U.S. ship in what the Pentagon described as a "taunting" manner. According to Centcom staff officers, the American commander on the spot was about to open fire. At that point, the U.S. was close to war. He desisted only when Fallon personally and explicitly ordered him not to shoot. The White House, according to the staff officers, was "absolutely furious" with Fallon for defusing the incident.

Fallon has since departed. His abrupt resignation in early March followed the publication of his unvarnished views on our policy of confrontation with Iran, something that is unlikely to happen to his replacement, George Bush's favorite general, David Petraeus.

(snip)

Interestingly, despite the bellicose complaints, Petraeus has made little effort to seal the Iran-Iraq border, and in any case two thirds of U.S. casualties still come from Sunni insurgents. "The Shia account for less than one third," a recently returned member of the command staff in Baghdad familiar with the relevant intelligence told me, "but if you want a war you have to sell it."

Even without the covert initiatives described above, the huge and growing armada currently on station in the Gulf is an impressive symbol of American power.


(snip)

http://www.counterpunch.org/andrew05022008.html
Randys
Chickenhawks,


they are everywhere...and they dont go well with potato salad either...
RandiLover
This whole thing sucks. I listened to Repubs talk about the war at the beginning, they talked about propping up the economy. I told them that we don't make anything anymore, so how is this going to help our economy? They waved the flag and called me unpatriotic, I called them koolaid drinkers and selfcentered fascists. They all cheered as Bush flew onto the aircraft carrier and when he proclaimed "Mission Accomplished" they cheered once again. I was on the floor laughing my ass off, but then the horror set in. We had not put a single boot on the ground yet, the war was yet to begin. I was horrified that someone in the presidents position could outright lie so big to the public. Now days when I bring it up, they don't want to talk about it.... jeee... I wonder why?
Eyeswideopen
Iran Blast That Killed 13 Was a Bombing; Links to West Alleged

By Ladane Nasseri

May 8 (Bloomberg) -- An April 12 explosion that killed 13 people at a mosque in the southern Iranian city of Shiraz was caused by a bomb, said the Intelligence Ministry, which accused the six suspects of having ties to Western nations, including the U.S. and the U.K.

The main suspect was arrested ``during an attempt to leave the country,'' Intelligence Minister Gholam Hossein Mohseni Ejei was cited as saying yesterday by the official Islamic Republic News Agency. The man was armed, the minister said. Five other people, found with explosives and cyanide, also were detained in connection with the bombing, he said. All are Iranian, he said.

The suspects ``have ties to the U.S. and the U.K.,'' Mohseni Ejei said. ``Iran's Foreign Ministry had previously notified these countries but no action was taken to prevent their terrorist actions and they were instead supported,'' he said. They planned similar attacks in other cities, he said.

Bombings have been carried out in recent years in Iran's border regions, home to ethnic and religious minorities. The government, led by Shiite Muslim clerics, regularly blames the U.S. and the U.K. for attempting to destabilize the regime by commissioning agents and seeking to fuel discontent and chaos among the minority populations.

(snip)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...p;refer=mideast
Eyeswideopen
May 9-11, 2008 -- US continues establishment of new airbase in northern Lebanon

WMR was the first to report on the establishment of a major US airbase at Kleiaat (or Qlei'at) in northern Lebanon to facilitate logistics for America's planned long-term stay in the Middle East, including the occupation of Iraq. We have now learned from our intelligence sources in Lebanon that on May 5, a representative from the US Embassy in Beirut spent three hours at Kleiaat surveying the airport and meeting with local officials. The secretiveness of the embassy official's visit was highlighted by the prohibition of cameras at the airport.

The United States has made an agreement with the pro-US, Israeli, and Saudi government of Prime Minister Fuad Siniora to gradually transform the Kleiaat airbase from a civilian airport to a military airbase. The base will function under a NATO umbrella but will be controlled by the United States.

The recent move by Siniora against a private Hezbollah telecommunications network that extended from Beirut International Airport, south Lebanon, the Bekaa Valley, Mount Lebanon, and greater Beirut to pro-Michel Aoun Christian enclaves in Jbeil and Keserwan is seen as a way to ensure that the Hezbollah-Aoun March 14 Alliance cannot securely communicate. The fact that the Lebanese opposition to the pro-US government was able to evade total electronic surveillance by the Israelis, the US National Security Agency, and the British Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) prompted pressure on the Beirut government to act against the Hezbollah network. That triggered a Hezbollah retaliation and the outbreak of warfare between Hezbollah and its allies and the central government.

The outbreak of warfare between Hezbollah and the central government comes after a planned Israeli Mossad assassination of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah in Beirut on April 25. That would have triggered an environment for the outbreak of a general war involving Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. That possibility prompted a leak from the office of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. Olmert is now under pressure to resign for accepting bribes from Orthodox Jewish Long Island businessman Moshe (aka Morris) Talansky, dubbed the "Laundry Man," between 1999 and 2003 when Olmert served as Jerusalem's mayor.

Talansky is CEO of Globes Resources Group, an investment firm. Olmert and Talansky co-founded the New Jerusalem Fund, a charity for public works projects in Jerusalem. Talansky has also donated money to New York's former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, Bill Clinton, Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY), Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), Senator Joe Lieberman (I-CT), and George W. Bush. and Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-NY).

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com



zatoichi
At the very least, I still want to see some of these Republican assklowns in BDUs, walking a patrol, as a grunt in Iraq.
scottymac54
It's the possibility that Barry takes the prize, that's impelling the neocons to speed up war in Lebanon (and possibly Syria).

The Israelis are frantic to get the mass destruction happening, while Israel is still a US ally, and Bush can lend support, before a pro-Islamic president may be installed.

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At the very least, I still want to see some of these Republican assklowns in BDUs, walking a patrol, as a grunt in Iraq.

Only a draft, as suggested by Charlie Rangel oh so long ago, would be the only way for you to realize your dream.
zatoichi
QUOTE (scottymac54 @ May 12 2008, 03:36 PM) *
It's the possibility that Barry takes the prize, that's impelling the neocons to speed up war in Lebanon (and possibly Syria).

The Israelis are frantic to get the mass destruction happening, while Israel is still a US ally, and a pro-Islamic president may be installed.


Only a draft, as suggested by Charlie Rangel oh so long ago, would be the only way for you to realize your dream.


This is a fantasy thread, but golly that is a fantasy suggesting that Obama is an Islamic President.
scottymac54
QUOTE (zatoichi @ May 12 2008, 09:38 PM) *
This is a fantasy thread, but golly that is a fantasy suggesting that Obama is an Islamic President.

I don't see how you can call reality fantasy and truth fiction, in your own little corner of Bizarro World.

Of all of the candidates, Bambi is by far the least supportive of the Zionist agenda.
zatoichi
QUOTE (scottymac54 @ May 12 2008, 03:40 PM) *
I don't see how you can call reality fantasy and truth fiction, in your own little corner of Bizarro World.

Of all of the candidates, Bambi is by far the least supportive of the Zionist agenda.


Could you read the posts you created? That would be a nice place to start. That is post #11.

You stated on that post that Obama would be an Islamic President.
scottymac54
QUOTE (zatoichi @ May 12 2008, 09:45 PM) *
Could you read the posts you created? That would be a nice place to start. That is post #11.

You stated on that post that Obama would be an Islamic President.

No. I said a pro-Islamic president MAY BE INSTALLED.

Bambi may have sympathies to Islamic radicalism without self-identifying with it?

Are you aware that if he is NOT, they could well kill him for it?

He probably IS an Islamist. His explanation, about the church he was a member of, for twenty years, without having learned a thing about his minister's ideology, certainly was suspicious enough to give anyone pause.

I'm not generally pro-Israel, but I don't blame the Jews for looking out for their own interests in this rapidly changing atmosphere, where anything is possible.

Do you?
zatoichi
QUOTE (scottymac54 @ May 12 2008, 03:52 PM) *
No. I said a pro-Islamic president MAY BE INSTALLED.

Bambi may have sympathies to Islamic radicalism without self-identifying with it?

Are you aware that if he is NOT, they could well kill him for it?

He probably IS an Islamist. His explanation, about the church he was a member of, for twenty years, without having learned a thing about his minister's ideology, certainly was suspicious enough to give anyone pause.

I'm not generally pro-Israel, but I don't blame the Jews for looking out for their own interests in this rapidly changing atmosphere, where anything is possible.

Do you?


You actually read your own post! How wonderful. That would be nice if you did this across the board.

I do not see Obama as so much as a pro Islamic person but a pro people person. smile.gif
Cabby
And, by the way, there is nothing in the law that says a President
cannot be a Muslim, regardless of the hysteria certain people might feel.

Coincidentally, it is possible for one to be a decent Human
even if their skin is not white.

A fact that 'Ordinary Americans' often find inconvenient.
Libertas
QUOTE (EVOLUTION @ May 7 2008, 05:26 PM) *
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Meanwhile....

"On Thursday, Speaker Nancy Pelosi will force the House to approve $163 billion more of our tax dollars for the occupation of Iraq - nearly $100 billion for 2008 plus nearly $70 billion more for 2009.

We are outraged. This Democratic Congress was elected to end the occupation, not fund it forever.

On Monday, a new Democrats.com poll found an overwhelming 68% of Americans want to bring our troops safely home within 6 months - a significant increase from 54% last September. Support among Democrats increased 14% to 85%, while support among Independents increased 20% to 78%. Why is the Democratic Congress defying the will of the overwhelming majority of Democrats and Independents?

Each day's news underscores how disastrous the occupation is. April was the deadliest month for U.S. soldiers since last September. One in five Iraq and Afghanistan veterans - roughly 300,000 - report symptoms of PTSD or major depression. The V.A. covered up the fact that 12,000 veterans attempt suicide each year while under V.A. treatment.

To make matters worse, Bush continues to use our occupation of Iraq as a reason to wage a covert war against Iran that could quickly turn to a wider and even more disastrous war. We know the Iraq War "marketing" was timed for the 2002 election - if John McCain is behind in the polls, will Bush " bomb bomb Iran " as an " October Surprise " to keep Republicans in power?"

there's a couple of things going on in the background, with this bill.

the additional money avoids another war bill being debated in the Fall.... during the run-up to the elections.
some of the increases in this bill are for some other items being attached to the war bill like, summer job programs, unemployment benefits and infrastructure.... to help spur the economy.

I had read in Bloomberg news Sen. Byrd was adding some funding for roads, bridges and airports to the bill and called out GW's willingness to rebuild Baghdad while refusing to spend one thin dime at home.

also... they're daring Bush to veto the bill. If GW vetoes the bill, the Democratic party are going to abuse him for not supporting the troops. Turnabout is going to be a bitch.
Libertas
QUOTE (zatoichi @ May 6 2008, 04:48 PM) *
You neocons need to enlist as grunts. You know the types. Infantry. Yeah. Skyblue cord and all that. You need to go to Iraq and walk the walk rather than talk the talk.

We want you to get up close and personal with the real bad guys. Get going, get fit, get hooouuaa. Not in the rear with the gear, but seriously walk in patrols and such.

We want to spared the bullshit lines like, I am supporting them (but I am too much of a complete douchebag to do the hard stuff).

they're all suddenly got better things to do... than go to battle.

Randi outed one of these right wingnut clowns on some TV program. Not the church lady (that was good too) ... it was some young punk with a weekly radio program.

That was some classic Randi.
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Libertas
in some circles....

it would be called cowardly.
Christine
QUOTE (Libertas @ May 12 2008, 09:35 PM) *
they're all suddenly got better things to do... than go to battle.

Randi outed one of these right wingnut clowns on some TV program. Not the church lady (that was good too) ... it was some young punk with a weekly radio program.

That was some classic Randi.
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I saw that! she said "How old are you? 22?" and he says "No, I'm 24." so she tells him to go sign himself up!!! It was great!!!
zatoichi
QUOTE (Christine @ May 12 2008, 05:37 PM) *
I saw that! she said "How old are you? 22?" and he says "No, I'm 24." so she tells him to go sign himself up!!! It was great!!!


Randy Rhodes randi.gif : You should go, don't just talk about about it. Go! Go!

I love Randi randi.gif for that one. smile.gif
CowboySteve
Chekitout....

CODE YELLOW!
CHICKENHAWK DOWN!!


Tom Tomorrow
zatoichi
QUOTE (CowboySteve @ May 13 2008, 04:00 AM) *
Chekitout....

CODE YELLOW!
CHICKENHAWK DOWN!!


Tom Tomorrow

rofl.gif rofl.gif rofl.gif

Great strip, great point.
zatoichi
So why isn't this douchebag in Iraq? Here is the link.

Faux indignation!
Libertas
QUOTE (zatoichi @ May 20 2008, 09:04 PM) *
So why isn't this douchebag in Iraq? Here is the link.

Faux indignation!

I'm guessing cause he's a Fixed News republican
zatoichi
QUOTE (Libertas @ May 20 2008, 03:12 PM) *
I'm guessing cause he's a Fixed News republican


Your statement is, without a doubt, true.

But this liquid bag of crap needs to live up to his own convictions. That means he needs to sign up as a grunt and volunteer to go to Iraq. Walk the walk in patrols. To get up close and personal with the real bad guys.
DougfromVancouver
QUOTE (zatoichi @ May 20 2008, 06:15 PM) *
Your statement is, without a doubt, true.

But this liquid bag of crap needs to live up to his own convictions. That means he needs to sign up as a grunt and volunteer to go to Iraq. Walk the walk in patrols. To get up close and personal with the real bad guys.


<<Sarcasm>> How do you know that this guy has not already attempted to enlist and was not accepted?
The United States Army has standards, it does not accept the severely mental deficient.
Libertas
QUOTE (DougfromVancouver @ May 20 2008, 10:11 PM) *
<<Sarcasm>> How do you know that this guy has not already attempted to enlist and was not accepted?
The United States Army has standards, it does not accept the severely mental deficient.

there's always the Marines!


sorry Marine buddies!!!!
I know the kid is a just a pog and probably not wanted by the corp, either.

we can ship him to the Air Force
I'm sure there's something for him to do there.
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airbor504
I think a draft without deferments is one of the best things that could happen to the upcoming generation of Americans to learn to love and value their country, see how the rest of the world lives, and get us all on the same page. The military is the great equalizer where the only one that's going to hump your ruck is you and 125 degree heat feels the same whether your a Democrat or Republican.
Ishmael
Because for neocons, it's all about Let's YOU and HIM fight. Being the yellow-bellied cowards they are, they have to bluster and bully to assert their non-existant masculinity. It's the poor people who have to fight their filthy war. I subscribe to Bill Mauldin's comment.

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The quickest way to become a pacifist is to join the Infantry.





The caption reads:

QUOTE
Them buttons wuz shot off when we TOOK this town.
zatoichi
You know neocons, it has gotten a little quieter in Iraq. Not so dangerous these days. Convoy duty is a lot safer than it used to be.

Now is a great time to enlist to become a grunt. Step up and be part of the solution rather than part of the problem. We need people like yourself to step up to the courage of your convictions and get up close and personal with the real bad guys.
DougfromVancouver
It is rather difficult for neocons to step up to the plate and enlist. The Army has minimum standards for education and intelligence.
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