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galilei
I've been curious about the carbon credit proposals that have been turning up everywhere. MIT, Harvard and other Universities are turning out PhD's these days who specialize in this as yet unrealized market.

Can someone point me to what the rules are for military carbon credits? I've been unable to find anything.
Wayne
From what I have learned, carbon credits may have a place, but they are not a solution.

A real incentive is a carbon tax. Don't just allow pollution and then permit corporations the rights to buy and sell these allowances. Make it cost the polluter because it sure as hell is going to cost the rest of us.

Here is Al Gore's 10-point plan



1.) Immediately freeze carbon at the existing level; then implement programs to reduce it 90% by 2050.

2.) Reduce taxes on employment and production, instead taxing pollution (especially CO2). These pollution taxes would raise the same amount of money, but make us more competitive by encouraging employment while discouraging pollution.

3.) A portion of the revenues must be earmarked for low-income and middle class people who will have a difficult time making this transition.

4.) Negotiate a strong global treaty to replace Kyoto, while working toward de facto compliance with Kyoto. Move the start date of this new treaty forward from 2012 to 2010, so the next president can to act immediately, rather than waste time trying to pass Kyoto right before it expires. We have to try to get China and India to participate in the treaty. If they don’t immediately participate, we have to move forward with the treaty regardless, trusting that they will join sooner rather than later.

5.) Impose a moratorium on construction of any new coal-fired power plant not compatible with carbon capture and sequestration.

6.) Develop an "electranet" -- a smart grid that allows individual homeowners and small businesses to create green power and sell their excess power to the utility companies at a fair price. Just as widely distributed information processing led to a large new surge of productivity, we need a law that allows widely distributed energy generation to be sold into the grid, at a rate determined not by a the utility companies, but by regulation. The goal is to create a grid that does not require huge, centralized power plants.

7.) Raise CAFE standards for cars and trucks as part of a comprehensive package. Cars and trucks are a large part of the problem, but coal and buildings must be addressed at the same time.

8.) Set a date for the ban of incandescent light bulbs that gives industry time to create alternatives. If the date is set, industry will meet this challenge.

9.) Create Connie Mae, a carbon-neutral mortgage association. Connie Mae will defer the costs of things like insulation and energy efficient windows which cut carbon but are often not used by builders or renovators because they add to the upfront costs of homes, only paying for themselves after several years of energy savings.

10.) The SEC should require disclosure of carbon emissions in corporate reporting.

http://www.algore.org/Gores_10_Point_Plan_..._Global_Warming




galilei
Thanks, Wayne.
While most of that sounds decent enough (though I definitely want to know who gets all those taxes and what that spending goes for), there's still a huge hole in military carbon use.
A jet fighter burns in an afternoon the amount of petroleum I use in a year. Why is there a gaping hole in military pollution?
TitusMaximus
Why do we need a tax? If there is a carbon tax how far will it stretch. Will they tax my carbon usage when I drive? Why not revise the clear air act to restrict the output. The clean air act has already done alot of good at holding down air pollution.

I think the carbon credit is a big hoax. Just like a carbon tax would be detrimental to the already fragile economy.

Are we going to restrict China's output? I think not. So as they continue to pollute like we did decades befor the clean air act there will be no change in carbon output because everyone will move factories there and leave the US and other more restrictive countries.
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