http://www.republicansforobama.org/

Also, at last count, 10 Republican Senators will not be attending the Republican Convention this year.

what's your take on this Eggy?
i'm cautiously hopeful.

Well, I think it's an unknown that needs to be brought to the forefront. Just like some Hillary supporters still say she has 22K supporters hanging around out there - it's just not true. I think Randi mentioned a good while back that Rusho and Company are covering up the fact that their enterprise is falling apart and they desperately do not want that to get out.

Where is the news of so many local or state elections lost in Republican land - 3 in a row recently. I'll have to research and see if there is more. I'm sure there is. It is very easy to cover this up because the media IS still a corporate oil tool.


And these abdications are a sign that Bush/McCain/Cheney have dwindling power. I like to call it a Republican Party Recession of the mind and body. And that's why they have to artificially inflate or stuff their BVD's.

hmmmm. I'm "cautiously hopefull" as well...
Thanks for the link!

Also, it's desperate for McCain to yell and scream, or cheerlead for war (he looks like an old despotic dictator) when the American people have proven in election after election that they vote against war. Why is he bloviating? I guess he thinks he can get away with it. He really has people confused and trying to figure out who he is now and where DOES he get this strange illogical style of campaigning.

I signed up to this site a few days ago. So, I could chit chat, send them links etc....

There are level headed people that have seen the light. I've always been an indy, until the last 8 years or so. After seeing one party so totally embrace corruption and reek havok on our liberties, I had to stand up.

I know, if I was a true Republican, I would be mad as hell at the sociopaths that attempted to destroy the party. I would want Bush and his minions heads - stuffed and mounted.

The way they need to redeem themselves (the party), is to prosecute Bush co. for the endless list of crimes and make sure they get locked up for life.



Now where was that debate topic?

a. i am counting on millions of young first time voters who arent being polled to vote for obama

b. i am hopeful that we will have less people disenfranchised by the right this time because rove isnt as involved as in the past

c. if mccain did win the election, that would be important information, it would mean we are no longer the nation we once strived to be and it would be time to consider many alternatives on a personal level, for me I wouldnt move but I also would never vote again...

I have some doubts about point B. I think KKKarl is just as involved as ever...just more behind the scenes.

However, I agree wholeheartedly with A & C.

If McCain did win the election, I may have to kill myself. After 8 years of being stuck on a bus with a blind retarted guy driving, I don't think I could live with the knowledge that a bunch of ignorant asswipes did it to me again.

Last night on Hardball, two influential republicans and members of Republicans for Obama made a thoughtful case as to why they and many other republicans are supporting Obama. Not only do they support Obama, but they are vehemently opposed to McCain. It's a hopeful sign that not all republicans have drank the neocon kool-aid.

It's worth a view: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26300609#26300609

We need to get Republicans for Obama much more air-time. Get them on the news-shows and put them in ads. They have the ability to reach other republicans and independents.

You are correct!

I agree about getting more press on this. This is really an old story that has been freaking buried.

All ya hear over and over is why hasn't Obama pulled ahead of McCain. Well, I say, just let them keep living in their delusion. November 4 really will be our winning day this time. Americans are not freaking stupid as McCain/Bush and media count on all the time. Americans are suffering and that's what wakes up those who do not usually pay attention to politics.

Republicans like McCain/Bush are not real conservatives, and that's what we're seeing with this movement. And they also see that Dems sincerely work really hard on making abortion rare.

Couldn't happen to a nicer group of people!

You seem to imply that these 10 Republican senators won't be attending for political reasons. Do you have a link?

QBC,

Here's a linky - http://www.nationaljournal.com/congressdai...080725_6932.php

Now the ones, not showing up, have excuses for not attending. But, like my mommy told me, excuses are like assholes some stink worse than others.

Whatcha think?

Does Ted Stevens even have a campaign to worry about?
I would think he should be more worried about going to jail.

The polls are flawed peices of shit. John Zogby admitted on Ed's show today that they only contact people who have land lines, well who has that? I'll tell you, old RW freaks. So how is the polling accurate? It is not, it is flawed, and disengenuous, to poll people who will primarily only vote R, and have only a lnd line that is not honest. that is trying to influence an election, and who would do that? A big corporation, like...............Zogby. Wake up people, your being told who is winning by the friends of the winners. Zogby is a shithead, and everyone knows it, except the old people. That's why they are the easiest people to defraud and scam. Ignorance is bliss. Until you lose your house, then blame it on the dems for not protecting you from yourself.

Interesting that the National Journal says, "Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, who is a McCain loyalist."

and yet MSNBC, writing about the same story offers this:

"...she's never been a close ally of McCain."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200...13/1263992.aspx

Which is it?

Just like McCain's "ambition" quote SHOULD be all over if the media was objective. It's all about "the internets" this time around.

And the Republicans for Obama aren't closet Dems to boot like the PUMAs.

And now we'll have Rachel Maddow on the tv so I still believe things are changing even if it's about the bottom line - not quite there yet.

Thre premise of the thread is that Republicans are imploding and are flocking to Obama. As part of Egghead's opening post he mentioned that 10 Republican senators are planning to skip the convention.

Thus, one reading that first post might believe that these 10 senators are boycotting the convention because they might be imploding and leaning towards Obama. A veiled cause and effect so-to-speak.

Your link demonstrates that isn't the case. Given that there is clearly no cause and effect, I'm somewhat befuddled that egghead would have mentioned the senators at all.

And your point is?

I was gonna pick on you but I've changed my mind.

Maybe you should vote for Obama.

You couldn't possibly be "Proud" of McCain.

Maybe you'll stay home?

I wouldn't approve of that but you've never needed my approval.

I will be proudly pulling the lever for McCain.

I suspected some one would pull those words out of context and use them against me. It happens every time I express confusion regarding the relevance of a point someone is trying to make. You would think I would learn my lesson.

why is that

Take a look at my political leanings link in my signature line.

I will never understand how someone could blindly follow a man who lies so much and worst of all has absolutely no self-respect to the point that he'll actively support a man who abused his wife and family as well as himself.

McCain is the type of person I avoid in all areas of my life. If he were my neighbor I'd never speak to him because I would be able to find nothing good to say.

Obama is not my first choice, but he is a person that I can say there is a lot about him I do like and respect. I have no respect at all for McCain.

I'm betting Obama also has views similar to yours on many of the issues that are most important to you.

I'm not blindly following McCain. Just like you I plan to vote for the candidate whose views most closely resemble mine. The closest Democrat in that regard would be Liberman (who many of you consider a traitor). In terms of Obama, there are only a handful of issues that I agree with him on, and none of them are at the top of my list.

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that I would be blindly pulling the lever, if I were to pull it for a candidate whose politics I disagree with?

So you LIKE what Bush/Cheney has done to the country? Seriously?

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmem...hes_like_ob.php

Some people never learn.

So, in short, your views are:

1) the American Middle-class must be destroyed at the behest of the Fortune 500

2) Saber-rattling against the other 97% of the world's population is sound foreign policy, will WIN the War on Terra, and make 'merica safer

3) Commitment to ensuring that your grandchildren will be speaking Chinese when defending themselves for stealing bread

4) The Constitution must be replaced by The Bible, in order that the "Great Democracy" become the "Lawless Theocracy"



EXCELLENT

QBC has always been consistent. I'll give him that much.

Unfortunately it's the only positive statement I can make.

Which views are those?

Continuing the failed Bush economic plan?
Continuing the failed Bush energy plan?
Expanding on the neocon plan of "more wars"?
Voting against the Martin Luther King Jr holiday?
Supporting the votes that earned McCain a D grade from the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America and a 20 percent vote rating from the Disabled Veterans of America?

If I may expand on your points:

a. these young folks (and all newly registered voters of any age) didn't register to NOT vote on November 4. They will show up.

b. the Obama team is also preparing for poll chicanery by setting up a "National Voter Protection Center" --- recruiting lawyers to be ready, willing & able to hammer some judges in as many voting districts as possible on election day http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/vpchome

c. I believe the insane geezer has ZERO shot, but if the worst should happen, it will indeed signal the end of the Great Experiment. I will go down with the ship, reading "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire" while standing in the bread line.

i am wearing out that ignore button today i tell ya!
i cannot even look at someone's writing who is going to support mccain.

My iggy list has always been a good indicator of who will be leaving us soon.

Interestingly enough QBC hasn't made the list this year.

Your question is being asked from within your frame of reference.

From what I observe, it looks to me that many on the left believe America has degenerated into a giant puss pot over the last 8 years. I further observe that the left places the blame for America's supposed disintegration squarely at the feet of the evil Bush administration.

That seems to be the frame of reference from which you are asking your question.

Since I can't possibly respond to your question from within your frame of reference, let me do so within my frame of reference.

Given that I don't believe America has disintegrated over the last 8 years, or is in immenent danger of collapse, I am at odds with you on this major point. Since I don't believe that is the case, your question regarding Bush/Cheney causing the collapse of America doesn't make any sense.

Now we can switch to a frame neutral frame of reference.

There is no dispute from me that we are in the midst of a mild recession. This cyclical event was likely exacerbated by predatory lending practices that have led to a mortgage crises. And if that weren't enough, we are seeing record high oil prices.

I believe the following also to be frame neutral, but you might disagree.

Each of the events I mention above has a cause and effect which doesn't originate with Bush or his policies. In order to believe that, one would have to believe that Bush has his fingers in everything that transpires across this vast country.

America is a resilient nation and will certainly recover, and this is where the difference between the candidates emerges.

The conservative position is that the free market must be allowed to work through these latest challenges and that we need to actively work to make ourselves more energy independant through offshore drilling, nuclear power and clean coal. We must also vigorously pursue alternative sources of energy. This is my position as well, and McCain closely aligns with it.

The message I hear from Obama is that he feels America needs rescuing and that he is just the person to do so. He has laid out a plan consisting of tax increases, punishment and government intervention. This course of action goes against everything I believe in and is why I won't vote for Obama.

You are espousing your view of the world. Within my view of the world, your arguments are simply left wing talking points.

More leftwing talking points being made from within a liberal frame of reference.

More right wing projection.

After having invented talking points the right wing as represented by qbc is accusing the left of using them.

You and your conservative buddies are totally desperate. And I'm lovin' it to death

More rightwing avoidance of taking responsibility.

Iraq: We'll let history decide.
Katrina: We don't want to play the blame game.
CIA Leak: We can't comment until the court decides.
Torture: We can't comment because then the terrorists will know what we do.
9/11 Attacks: Who could have imagined?

Just once I would like to see these clowns take responsibility.

If you don't consider the following to be left-wing talking points, what would you call them?

1) the American Middle-class must be destroyed at the behest of the Fortune 500

2) Saber-rattling against the other 97% of the world's population is sound foreign policy, will WIN the War on Terra, and make 'merica safer

3) Commitment to ensuring that your grandchildren will be speaking Chinese when defending themselves for stealing bread

4) The Constitution must be replaced by The Bible, in order that the "Great Democracy" become the "Lawless Theocracy"

Continuing the failed Bush economic plan?
Continuing the failed Bush energy plan?
Expanding on the neocon plan of "more wars"?
Voting against the Martin Luther King Jr holiday?
Supporting the votes that earned McCain a D grade from the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America and a 20 percent vote rating from the Disabled Veterans of America?

Apparently those are republican talking points as well.

http://www.republicansforobama.org/

When Bush has only at 20 something percent favorability rating, and Cheney is in the single digits, it becomes quite obvious that not only those on the left are disenchanted with the direction the country is heading. It may comfort you to believe that this is a left vs right thing, but it's not.

No they aren't.

If you do believe these are republican talking points, maybe you could provide me with links to conservatives who espouse the views contained in the talking points.




Last I checked, Bush and Cheney weren't running for president.

In case you haven't looked lately, McCain is holing his own against Obama.



Actually it is. Obama is the left wing Democratic candidate with a liberal political platform and McCain is the right wing Republican candidate with a conservative political platform.

Regrettably, no. McCain's political platform is about as self-consistent and independent as Elliot Spitzer's whore.

They share the same willingness to put things in their mouth for money.

If he was a real Conservative Republican, as self-consistent and honest as a Robert Taft, I would be FAR more likely to vote for him. As of now, he's kinda McTrashy.

There's only one politician I consider to be more creepy and loathsome -

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Boney Joe.

I don't know what YOU call them but I'm so involved with the so call "Left" that if there were a talking points memo I'd have received it. If one of your little Freeper buddies made a list of what he or she thought were left wing talking points...well, there's nothing I can do about that now is there?

Thank you, my friend "Q" tends to brag and carry on a little.