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Eyeswideopen
June 20-22, 2008 -- Mossad has official and unofficial presence in Houston

WMR has learned from U.S. intelligence sources that Israel's intelligence service, the Mossad, operates under both official and unofficial cover in Houston. Former CIA station chief in Houston Roland "Tony" Carnaby, slain on April 29 by Houston police, kept the Israeli intelligence presence under close surveillance.

The official Mossad presence is at the Israeli Consulate General in the Greenway office complex. Mossad's "secret station," as it is called by the CIA, operates under the cover of a security firm based in Houston. A CIA source told WMR that the Mossad often buys into foreign companies and then uses them as secret stations for its operations.

Mossad's secret Houston station works closely with other Mossad secret stations in Europe, Africa, Southeast Asia, and the Middle East and maintains close liaison with the Houston Police Department, the Port of Houston, George H. W. Bush International and Hobby Airports, the Department of Homeland Security and its Transportation Security Administration (TSA), US Agency for International Development (USAID), and the State Department

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com
captainkona
QUOTE (TammyStickers @ Jun 16 2008, 09:57 AM) *
First of all, it is not up to me to provide a reputable link proving your post false. It is up to you to provide a reputable link proving your post true. The burden of proof is on you, not me.


Actually, it is on you.

It is only your opinion that Wayne Madsen is not credible. Please show some proof that he's not.
Eyes did what is required by offering citation. If you question the source you are responsible for backing up your claims as Eyes did.


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Second, I pointed out in the last post that I saw that referenced http://www.waynemadsenreport.com, that the actual story little releationship with the story posted on http://www.waynemadsenreport.com. On http://www.waynemadsenreport.com, the claim was a link between Israel and 9/11 while the actual story on reputable news sites showed that there was no link what-so-ever between Israel and 9/11.


What is a "reputable news site"? Got link?
Israel's involvement in 9/11, to whatever extent, is more than obvious to me. They're the one's that stood to gain the most from it and "deception" is something Israel prides it's self on. By their own admission.


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As I said, if you can find reputable sites to support allegations, you should include those in your posts. If you can't, then you probably shouldn't subject us to your post at all.

I'm sorry if I've gotten you upset. Perhaps you have a reason why you don't feel that you need to justify your claims with reputable links. If so, I would be thrilled to listen to your reasoning.


Who is "us". You do not speak for all members of the board.
I'll be waiting for proof that WM is not credible.
Seeker1
QUOTE (captainkona @ Jun 20 2008, 02:11 PM) *
Israel's involvement in 9/11, to whatever extent, is more than obvious to me. They're the one's that stood to gain the most from it and "deception" is something Israel prides it's self on. By their own admission.


You going by the Mossad motto, Captain? It is NOT "by way of deception".

You ought to know what the Hebrew really means. There are a lot of idiots who don't know Hebrew who think the motto is "by way of deception".

Mossad's former motto: be-tachbūlōt ta`aseh lekhā milchāmāh (Hebrew: בתחבולות תעשה לך מלחמה‎, "For by wise counsel thou shalt wage thy war." - Proverbs XXIV,6.

Go look at Proverbs 24:6. You own a Bible. THAT is the Mossad motto. You see the word "deception" in there? It says, and this is the Mossad motto, "for by wise counsel you shall wage war." The word many idiots who do not know Hebrew have translated as "deception" does not translate to "deception". It means "wise counsel".

In any case, that's not their motto anymore.

The new motto: be-'éyn tachbūlōt yippol `ām; ū-teshū`āh be-rov yō'éts (Hebrew: באין תחבולות יפול עם, ותשועה ברוב יועץ‎, "Where no counsel is, the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety.") - that's from Proverbs 11:14.

P.S. Victor Ostrovsky is a bullshit artist. If he worked for the Mossad, he should know that its original motto came from the Book of Proverbs, and known the translation.

Tachbulot = guidance, counsel.
captainkona
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Jun 20 2008, 11:24 PM) *
Go look at Proverbs 24:6. You own a Bible. THAT is the Mossad motto. You see the word "deception" in there? It says, and this is the Mossad motto, "for by wise counsel you shall wage war." The word many idiots who do not know Hebrew have translated as "deception" does not translate to "deception". It means "wise counsel".


smile.gif Tomato Tomatto.

"wise counsel" just means "sneaky". Sneaky just means deceptive. King David was a bit of a deceiver himself, was he not? And Jacob?

I was impressed with Ostrovsky. Especially when he described the Mossad's use of a hapless prostitute to set up a murder and then the vicious, soulless way they silenced her.


Besides, with or without the semantics, the actions speak for themselves. Headrest bombs? Spying on (see "Deceiving") "friends"? The ways of cowards.

Seeker1
QUOTE (captainkona @ Jun 21 2008, 12:05 AM) *
I was impressed with Ostrovsky.


You shouldn't be. Benny Morris thinks he is a bullshit artist.

The Far Side of Credibility (about Ostrovsky and his book) by Benny Morris.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/2538192

As far as being cowards; well, humm, captain, last I checked, Israel's intelligence agency wasn't the only one to spy on or deceive others; last I checked, the CIA, KGB, and heck even the French DGSE train agents in the arts of deception, disguise, and covert operations.

I don't want to go too far in defending Mossad; I'm not fond of any spook agency. I just don't think it operates any differently than any of the others, including ours in the U.S.

The U.S. spies on all its allies. The UK, Israel, France, and South Korea. Among others.






Eyeswideopen
June 25, 2008 -- FBI going slow on Carnaby assassination investigation

WMR has learned that the FBI's investigation of the April 29 shooting death of former Houston CIA station chief Roland "Tony" Carnaby, which was raised to a "national security" investigation, is plagued by a "go slow" approach.

The investigation appears to parallel past attempts by the FBI to probe the Israeli "art student" espionage activities across the United States and the activities of several of the 19 Arab hijackers before 9/11. In both cases, FBI agents were hamstrung by purposeful bureaucratic red tape from FBI headquarters in Washington. An investigation of the Israeli moving company Urban Moving Systems, whose employees were arrested after 9/11, was shut down by the FBI after pressure from the Justice Department hierarchy.

The word is that valuable FBI agents' hours are being wasted with no intention of actually following through on any leads. WMR has also learned that the CBS News 48 Hours slant in its initial investigation, so far, is that there was nothing very sinister behind the shooting death of Carnaby.

WMR has been the subject of intense criticism since we first reported a connection between Carnaby's work on the security of the port of Houston and Houston airports and the activities of the Israeli Mossad in the Houston region. This criticism emanates from certain liberal blogs that are known to take a pro-Israeli line. That prompted one U.S. intelligence veteran to comment, "the heat . . . means you are on to something."

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com
Viewer
QUOTE (Eyeswideopen @ Jun 27 2008, 01:50 PM) *
...This criticism emanates from certain liberal blogs that are known to take a pro-Israeli line. That prompted one U.S. intelligence veteran to comment, "the heat . . . means you are on to something."


I like that. If no one criticizes he must be right, because he's not challenged. If he's challenged, the "the heat" proves he on to something. A site with distinction.
Eyeswideopen
June 27-29, 2008 -- FBI on wild goose chase in Houston

WMR has learned that the FBI is not only dragging its feet in its investigation of the April 29 shooting death by Houston police of one-time CIA Houston station chief Roland "Tony" Carnaby but is making excuses for the Houston Police Department's unprofessional handling of evidence in the case. The FBI in Houston feels that the violation by the Houston Police of federal Judge Keith Ellison's court order to preserve all evidence in the civil law suit brought by Carnaby's widow against the Houston Police is merely the result of "sloppy" police work.

At a recent hearing before Ellison, the Houston police failed to list Carnaby's CIA badge and his cell phone communications after his first stop by the police on a list provided to the court. It is known that Carnaby had contacted Houston Police Internal Affairs, the CIA, and FBI to have them intercede with the police officers who stopped and chased him. The FBI tried unsuccessfully to have the Houston Police call off the chase.

When the absence of the ID badge and the cellular communications was noticed by the plaintiff's attorney, the Houston Police said they erred and would add the items to the list. The Houston Police have failed to list Carnaby's lap top computer, seized by the police along with its classified national security information, on the inventory of evidence, even though the FBI in Houston has confirmed that the lap top computer was in Carnaby's car when it was impounded by the police. WMR has also learned from reliable sources that the police videotapes of the shooting incident have been destroyed.

The police inventory list also contains a Glock, said to be in Carnaby's car when impounded by the police. However, sources who worked closely with Carnaby said he never carried a Glock and did not like the weapon.


(snip)

The FBI is investigating a Ford Crown Victoria and a Dodge Aspen in connection with the "national security case," but it is not known what significance these two vehicles play in the case.

In addition, the CBS 48 Hours spin on the story from individuals in Houston who have been interviewed is closely following the FBI line -- that the Carnaby case is a national security matter but there is little interest in his actual shooting by the Houston police.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com
Eyeswideopen
July 3, 2008, 12:23AM

Was rocket moments from striking Continental flight?
Probe of launch near Bush airport has stalled, FAA records indicate


By CINDY HORSWELL

A Continental airliner might have been only a minute away from colliding with what the pilot described as a model rocket that shot past his cockpit window, Federal Aviation Administration records obtained by the Houston Chronicle show.

On Memorial Day, the Continental pilot reported being startled by his encounter with this object that "went straight up" and left a long white vapor trail.

Yet the trail to identifying this object has appeared to run cold since the FAA and the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force launched their investigation into the episode.

For starters, the radar at George Bush Intercontinental Airport was unable to detect any unusual object in the sky when Flight 1544 took off. A video recording, acquired from the FAA through a Chronicle open record request, shows the radar detected nothing but dozens of airplanes.

FAA authorities said this is not surprising because airport surveillance radar is designed to track the departure and arrival of planes, and officials want to avoid clutter. It would usually not pick up a small object such as a model rocket that is going straight up, the FAA said.

The radar data also show the plane carrying 148 passengers to Cleveland never detoured from its route.

Just minutes after takeoff, as the plane was headed over Lake Houston, the pilot acknowledged spotting the object. The plane had then reached 4,750 feet elevation and was traveling at 277 mph, records show.


'Is that a rocket launch?'
The pilot on that flight, Capt. George Drebo, has declined to comment. The co-pilot, John Knight, could not be reached.

But radio conversation between the plane and air traffic control showed the pilot's surprise at encountering something in his airspace.

"Can you tell me what this is on my 12 o'clock (in front of his plane)? It's climbing about 20 miles up. Is that a rocket launch?" he asks.

The control tower responds: "I am unaware of any activity in your vicinity."

Later, the pilot adds, "Oh, it's going straight up!"

As a precautionary measure, for about an hour, the FAA placed a temporary flight restriction over the area where the object was seen.

Some residents reported seeing F-16 fighter jets across the area, but the Air National Guard did not return phone calls about the jets.

The air traffic controller also was recorded asking other pilots flying in the area what they saw.

"On your climb out, did you happen to see any rocket launches in your vicinity?" the tower dispatcher asks.

"Negative," said a pilot on Flight 2168.

"OK. Just checking on something."

Flight 1544's pilot soon chimes in to say again: "It went straight up!"

Later, the dispatcher asks another pilot if he saw a "rocket launch" about "three to four miles out."

"Don't mean to alarm you, but there might be a possibility that you will see it," the dispatcher said.

(snip)

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5869262.html
Eyeswideopen
Please note that post #59, quoting the Houston Chronicle, adds to the May 27 Madsen story featured in post #24.
bushwa
QUOTE (Eyeswideopen @ Jul 4 2008, 11:49 AM) *
July 3, 2008, 12:23AM

Was rocket moments from striking Continental flight?
Probe of launch near Bush airport has stalled, FAA records indicate...



What an astonishing story about a model rocket being launched.

My 14 year old neighbor had a visit from the FAA and airport cops after he launched his 4ft., 3 engine, 3 stage behemoth from the school athletic field across the street from his home. Trouble is, we're directly on a departure and approach path (depending on wind direction) for an airport about one mile away.

It wasn't seen on radar, but was reported by a pilot. It took the airport police about 10 minutes to get here and spot the family walking back to the house with their rocketry gear.

But if the point is the vulnerability, the ED of my local airport told me he thinks the easiest most likely avenue for a hand-held, shoulder mounted rocket attack would be on the access roads at virtually every airport in the country where aviation buffs park to watch departures and approaches. Aircraft are typically at 200-400 feet at that point, and he envisioned a guy in a VW van just popping out fom the sunroof.

"You'd have to be pointing in the opposite direction to miss" he said.

Eyeswideopen
Did the 14-year-old neighbor's rocket cause them to close the air space? Were fighter jets seen in the area at the time?
Eyeswideopen
August 8-10, 2008 -- Houston refuses to turn over evidence to widow in Carnaby assassination unless secrecy order invoked

The Houston Chronicle reported yesterday on new developments in the civil case brought against the city of Houston by Susan Carnaby, the widow of slain retired CIA Houston station chief Roland "Tony" Carnaby. Carnaby was shot to death by Houston police on April 29. The city is trying to convince U.S. Judge Keith Ellison, who is trying the civil case, to order Susan Carnaby not to make public the "homicide report," the police internal investigation report of the shooting incident, 911 emergency phone call transcripts, or police dispatch tape transcripts to be made public if the city provides such material to her. Susan Carnaby, in an affidavit to the court, said she believes the public has a right to know about the details of the incident, especially since the "police department is investigating itself." She also said that her late husband would have wanted the investigation "open and not hidden."

Recently, a Harris County grand jury declined to prosecute Houston police Sgt. Andrew Washington and officer Cecil Foster for murder in the shooting death of Carnaby. However, the Houston Chronicle, for the first time, referred to a "homicide report" in the incident.

The references to 911 emergency calls is the first indication that someone other than Carnaby may have called the police to report details of the shooting incident. WMR has learned from knowledgeable Houston sources that Carnaby was on the phone with an FBI supervisor when police surrounded his vehicle on the 610 West Loop in the Galleria section of Houston. Carnaby had apparently been stopped earlier by police for speeding but someone in the Houston Police Department ordered the retired CIA agent stopped again and arrested for anything the police could nail him on.

Contrary to earlier reports that police chased Carnaby through heavy traffic before they made their second stop, WMR has learned that Carnaby's vehicle ran out of gas when police surrounded it. The shooting was captured on local TV news helicopter video. The Houston police violated Judge Ellison's order to preserve all evidence in the case. The Houston police disposed of police dashboard video tapes of the incident, audio tapes of phone calls, and the evidence gathered from Carnaby's vehicle, including his laptop computer, cell phones, and other items.


http://www.waynemadsenreport.com

(This is a paid subscription site.)

Eyeswideopen
August 13, 2008 -- Port of Houston security in hands of Israeli firm

WMR previously reported that slain retired CIA station chief in Houston, Roland "Tony" Carnaby, gunned down gangland-style on April 29 by Houston police after his vehicle ran out of gas, not after a "high-speed chase" as alleged by Houston police, had a tepid and wary relationship with Israeli intelligence operatives in Houston. Carnaby was contracted to the Port of Houston, as well as the two Houston area international airports, to provide security consultative services.

An Israeli firm, Orsus, is currently installing an integrated security monitoring system that will link video surveillance, visitor control, and police dispatch systems to a 24-hour Port Coordination Center. It is known that Carnaby used a number of cell phones to dial into port video cameras to turn them on, stop them, and download captured video data. The Israeli firm was scheduled to begin installation of its system this month.

The financial backers of Orsus include ComSor Venture Fund LDC, a joint operation of Comverse Technology, which includes its subsidiary Verint Systems, and Soros Fund Management's Quantum Industrial Holdings Ltd. Other investors in Orsus include Israel's Koor Industries, the leading shareholder of Tadiran, the Israeli defense electronics firm; Cial Industries and Investment, an Israeli holding company; the Cedar Fund, an "Israeli-related" venture capital firm; Israel Infinity Venture Capital Fund; and Poalim Capital Markets, a subsidiary of Bank Hapoalim, Israel's largest bank.

Some of Orsus' backers have faced legal problems stemming from dubious activities, not least of whom is George Soros, the international financier who conducted a "hostile takeover" of the Democratic Party in 2004 and has muted the message from the progressive media by pouring cash into various magazines, publishers, and web sites to control the message, ensuring the message does not include any criticism of Soros or his questionable activities, including his manipulation of democratic institutions abroad, including in the Republic of Georgia.

Soros' ComSor partner, Comverse, saw its CEO Jacob "Kobi' Alexander, arrested in the Namibian capital Windhoek in 2006 for manipulating Comverse's stock options. Alexander is facing extradition to the United States but he has managed to buy off a number of Namibian politicians in order to extend his exile in Namibia, a country that hosts a number of Israeli diamond poaching firms and traders.

The list of Soros' dubious associates does not stop with Alexander. James Marquez, a former Soros assistant, and co-founder of the Bayou Group hedge fund, was sentenced to prison for defrauding investors of $350 million. The manager of Bayou, Samuel Israel III, faked his own suicide in June before turning himself in for defrauding his investors.

Bank Hapoalim was investigated under Israel's new and relatively weak Prohibition of Laundering Law for exiled Russian-Israeli tycoon Arcadi Gaydamak.

Soros managed to derail any effort by the so-called "progressive media" sites he funds to properly investigate the shooting death of Carnaby. The reasons now appear quite apparent.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com
(This is a paid subscription site.)

bushwa
QUOTE (Eyeswideopen @ Jul 7 2008, 03:15 PM) *
Did the 14-year-old neighbor's rocket cause them to close the air space? Were fighter jets seen in the area at the time?



The Point (as defined by the "article").





























































































Eyeswideopen.
Viewer
QUOTE (Eyeswideopen @ Aug 13 2008, 12:00 PM) *
... Poalim Capital Markets, a subsidiary of Bank Hapoalim, Israel's largest bank. ...
Is that the best Madsen's report can do? You deserve at least a partial refund.

They completely missed some of my own research/reporting with indicates that Bank Hapoalim was formed as part of the Labor movement in Israel, but has since become privatized, and maintains operations in many countries...including Turkey. Most recently they purchased controlling interest in a Russian bank. Ties to the Georgia war? They are very secretive. Many of the company's officers, directors and key staff members have served in the Israeli Defense Forces and been trained to speak several languages. Some of them remain involved with the military in an official capacity.

In addition to other offices worldwide, Hapolim maintains offices in the where many say, US finances are controlled and and what may call the real power center of the American (some say world) economy, New York. Another US based office is in Miami, from where finances, people and many illegal products often flow to (and from)the Caribbean. They also maintain an office in Venezuela where, tensions between Israel and Caracas has risen since Chavez took power. Chavez has pointed accused Israel of various nefarious activities. Suspicion and accusations have been raised.

It's no coincidence that former President Clinton has also opened his office in Manhattan, not far from the home of Senator Clinton, and from the Bank Hapolim office. Both the Senator and former President are known to have ties with Israelis, including several senior level officials and high powered "business people" there.

Bank Leumi, another Israeli bank, is known to maintain an office just a couple of miles from Senator Obama's home in Chicago. He has been seen on nearby streets, but its unclear how often he has actually visited that office. Just like Hapoaolim, they have offices in Tel Aviv and other financial centers.

There's more to this. Rest assured I'm beginning to feel the heat from this research.
Eyeswideopen
August 21-24, 2008 -- Carnaby autopsy report sealed

In an action considered unprecedented following a decision by a Harris County grand jury to return a "no bill" and not indict two Houston police officers for the April 29, 2008 slaying of retired CIA agent Roland "Tony" Carnaby on a busy Houston street, Harris County, Texas is refusing to make public the coroner's autopsy report on Carnaby.

Houston attorney Randall Kallinen told WMR that autopsy reports were "100 percent public" following a grand jury determination of no criminal offense in a police shooting. Up to a "no bill" decision, autopsy reports involving police shootings were granted a "law enforcement exception" under Texas' Open Government Law. However, after resolution of the case, autopsy reports are publicly available, except in the shooting death of Carnaby.

Kallinen also said Harris County is seeking a "100 percent protective order" on 911 emergency phone call tapes relating to the shooting of Carnaby. This amounts to a virtual gag order on heretofore publicly-available 911 tapes. It is not known whether the 911 phone calls were from Carnaby or from other witnesses present before, during, and after the police assassination of Carnaby.

It has also been determined that Houston and Harris County records contain no previous records on any criminal activity by Carnaby and that Carnaby spoke to an FBI official between the time he was first stopped by Houston police and when the shooting occurred later.

WMR has learned from another informed source in Houston that Carnaby was close to former Texas Democratic Governor Mark White. White lost his re-election partly as a result of a 1986 dirty trick engineered by Karl Rove that blamed White's campaign for placing a bug inside Rove's office. It turned out that Rove himself placed the bug inside his own office. But for White, who had been ahead of GOP challenger Bill Clements, the damage resulted in White losing the election. White was reportedly an avid supporter of the Houston Chapter of the Association for Intelligence Officers (AFIO), of which Carnaby was the president.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com

(a paid subscription site)
Eyeswideopen
The following article comes from the Wayne Madsen Report, a paid site. Do not click on the link below, unless you are a paid member of WMR. The link is provided for attribution purposes.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com

October 11-12, 2008 -- New information on Carnaby shooting

New information concerning the shooting death of retired CIA agent Roland "Tony" Carnaby has come to light in Houston, according to informed WMR sources in the city.

Carnaby was shot to death by two Houston police officers last April after what was described as a "high speed chase." There is no evidence to suggest that such a chase occured in heavy morning traffic in Houston's West End Loop.

What is now known is the following: Carnaby's Jeep vehicle had a bullet hole in the left rear passenger door that was from a straight-on shot and not angled. This rear bullet hole was not disclosed in any police or other official report about the incident. Moreover, the round had the appearance of a shot gun slug due to the diameter of the hole and attendant paint damage. It is also known that the round was not fired at the scene of Carnaby's shooting by the police, which means that someone must have fired at the vehicle prior to his shooting death.

In another development, while it is never appropriate for a journalist to become part of a news story that he or she is covering, WMR has learned from a U.S. intelligence source that this editor is being subjected to a "swift boating-like" campaign arising from our coverage of the Carnaby matter. Apparently, a black and white video of this editor taken while I was wearing a Navy service dress white uniform is being circulated in some circles, primarily within the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). The scene, as reported by the source, is of this editor at an event that is described as "tailhook-like" in nature.

Tailhook is an annual Navy jet pilot event that was the subject of controversy about improper conduct by male naval officers with women during the late 1980s. For the record, I was an unrestricted general line officer in the Navy, not an aviator, and would not have had any reason to attend a "tailhook-like" event. As far as the service dress white uniform is concerned, I last wore such a uniform in 1985 and certainly never to such an affair as purportedly contained in the black and white videotape.

bushwa
QUOTE (Eyeswideopen @ Oct 10 2008, 08:27 AM) *
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In another development, while it is never appropriate for a journalist to become part of a news story that he or she is covering, WMR has learned from a U.S. intelligence source that this editor is being subjected to a "swift boating-like" campaign arising from our coverage of the Carnaby matter. ...



As the guy has an established, documented record of inventing supposed threats against him, there's no reason to believe this isn't a load of crap, too. And like virtually every relevant claim made in this pathetic series of "stories" about the Houston cops supposedly serving as hit men for the government, the "author" is the only source.
Morgan
Thanks Eyes,

Wayne has tried to wake people up...but I fear we are reaching the end of the line. The corporate media has successfully overloaded and confused most of the public with nonsense. The majority of Americans do not recognize that a coup has taken over the country this past week.

Many people who have tried to reach the public will be faced with a choice, soon. To be or not to be - online. Some of us have consistantly brought the obvious to the attention of this message board and have been attacked for being ....well I don't know...what would you call it?...agressively pursued and discredited? Because we did not have a mainstream media source to back our claims.

They don't seem to get the obvious at all. I really thought 'The Left' was smarter than most.

I was wrong. Or we need to redefine the meaning of 'Left', because it seems to have been hijacked by CENTRIST who will waltz this country right to the camps...or worse. At this point, it may be too dangerous to continue these warnings to the public.

So, Eyes...I just wanted to say to you, before the lights go out, that I believe you gave it your best shot. Considering the constraints you had to work within and the limited sources at hand.

YOU ROCK!
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