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carmenjonze

Quote from Rush...

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To me it is striking how unqualified Obama is, and how this whole thing came about in the Democrat party. I think it really goes back to the fact that nobody had the guts to stand up and say no to a black guy. Liberal policies are always going to end up strangling liberals, too, and I think this is a classic illustration where affirmative action has reared its ugly head against them.



Yep.

Right on schedule.

Just wait till after the convention. Like martsmart says, we ain't seen nothin, yet.
SickupandFed
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 21 2008, 11:53 PM) *
Quote from Rush...




Yep.

Right on schedule.

Just wait till after the convention. Like martsmart says, we ain't seen nothin, yet.



This isn't the first AA bs.gif that I've heard. He supposedly got into Harvard because of AA. Michelle was special ed. and got in because of AA and took his scholarship. blahblah.gif

The guy I got that from was mad because he couldn't get in, and had to pay to go to a school that offered me a scholarship, that I turned down.


carmenjonze
Yeah well you know..we don't get anything except by stealing it from some poor white victim, so...

wacko.gif

What I've been saying is, it's been bubbling up until now, especially with all the "they're just voting for him becuz he's blk" b.s. but it will be unleashed after the convention. It's what they're sitting on, now.

And they know it will work with certain white liberals, too, even the ones who are the main beneficiaries of affirmative action. Ahem.
SickupandFed
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 22 2008, 12:08 AM) *
Yeah well you know..we don't get anything except by stealing it from some poor white victim, so...

wacko.gif

What I've been saying is, it's been bubbling up until now, especially with all the "they're just voting for him becuz he's blk" b.s. but it will be unleashed after the convention. It's what they're sitting on, now.

And they know it will work with certain white liberals, too, even the ones who are the main beneficiaries of affirmative action. Ahem.



Yeah. Did you notice in one of the debates when HRC said she would end AA?

carmenjonze
QUOTE (SickupandFed @ Aug 21 2008, 09:15 PM) *
Yeah. Did you notice in one of the debates when HRC said she would end AA?


No, I didn't catch that.

All talk. There's no way she would do that with all that glass-ceiling-breaking she was said to be doing rolleyes.gif
SickupandFed
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 22 2008, 12:42 AM) *
No, I didn't catch that.

All talk. There's no way she would do that with all that glass-ceiling-breaking she was said to be doing rolleyes.gif


Well she said it in the one when They tried to do the hatchet job on Obama. It was first a question to lay a trap for him, and when they brought it to her, she said without hesitation that she would end it.


I remember because my jaw dropped to the floor. AA's biggest beneficiary group is white women.

How's that for standing up for her voters. laugh.gif
Ishmael
Unqualified? Let's look at the record of the "qualified".

1. Failed to prevent 9/11.

2. Failed to capture or kill bin-laden, al-zauwahri and Mullah Omar and let them escape.

3. Invaded the wrong, sovereign country and poured over 4,000 American lives and almost a trillion dollars down a hole in the sand.

4. Eviscerated the Constitution, the Rule of Law both domestically and internationally and made a mockery of what little moral authority the US had.

5. Encouraged the growth and proliferation of private corporate armies and intelligence services beholden only to their paymasters.

6. Committed Treason, War Crimes and Murder while turning the White House and the Republican party into a Racketeer-Influenced Corrupt Organisation.

7. Enriched their cronies who spun gold from the bodies of the slain while allowing their own wounded soldiers to languish in governmental and military cesspools.

8.Subverted the Justice Department and the very election process itself to maintain power by fraud, trickery and political witch hunts masquerading as corruption trials.

9.Bankrupted the nation by giving tax breaks so their friends could keep their swag while running the cash presses overtime, selling out the very nation itself to authoritarian and totalitarian regimes.

So, Hell Yeah! Give me the "unqualified" guy.
SickupandFed
QUOTE (Ishmael @ Aug 22 2008, 12:55 AM) *
Unqualified? Let's look at the record of the "qualified".

1. Failed to prevent 9/11.

2. Failed to capture or kill bin-laden, al-zauwahri and Mullah Omar and let them escape.

3. Invaded the wrong, sovereign country and poured over 4,000 American lives and almost a trillion dollars down a hole in the sand.

4. Eviscerated the Constitution, the Rule of Law both domestically and internationally and made a mockery of what little moral authority the US had.

5. Encouraged the growth and proliferation of private corporate armies and intelligence services beholden only to their paymasters.

6. Committed Treason, War Crimes and Murder while turning the White House and the Republican party into a Racketeer-Influenced Corrupt Organisation.

7. Enriched their cronies who spun gold from the bodies of the slain while allowing their own wounded soldiers to languish in governmental and military cesspools.

8.Subverted the Justice Department and the very election process itself to maintain power by fraud, trickery and political witch hunts masquerading as corruption trials.

9.Bankrupted the nation by giving tax breaks so their friends could keep their swag while running the cash presses overtime, selling out the very nation itself to authoritarian and totalitarian regimes.

So, Hell Yeah! Give me the "unqualified" guy.



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Dan-From-LA
I've seen it on the RRMB. Person's "wondering" how Obama got from Occidental, to Harvard, etc. The inferences about affirmative action. And let's face it, white Americans don't understand what affirmative action as a program is. Because the whole concept has been twisted so much by Rush and his Klanspeople.

McCain has had a life of nepotism and connections. He's done nothing of merit on his own. Because he cannot. He is an untalented, uncreative failure. If he didn't have his family's connections in the military, Vietnam would have been him serving in the mess hall. If he hadn't married well, he wouldn't have had a chance at politics.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Dan-From-LA @ Aug 21 2008, 10:15 PM) *
I've seen it on the RRMB. Person's "wondering" how Obama got from Occidental, to Harvard, etc. The inferences about affirmative action. And let's face it, white Americans don't understand what affirmative action as a program is.


The women certainly do. Many just pretend like they don't.
JRunRun
QUOTE (Dan-From-LA @ Aug 21 2008, 10:15 PM) *
I've seen it on the RRMB. Person's "wondering" how Obama got from Occidental, to Harvard, etc. The inferences about affirmative action. And let's face it, white Americans don't understand what affirmative action as a program is. Because the whole concept has been twisted so much by Rush and his Klanspeople.

McCain has had a life of nepotism and connections. He's done nothing of merit on his own. Because he cannot. He is an untalented, uncreative failure. If he didn't have his family's connections in the military, Vietnam would have been him serving in the mess hall. If he hadn't married well, he wouldn't have had a chance at politics.



That's the affirmative action these 'elitist' have known for years... It's all about who you know. I'm sure Obama headed the Harvard Law Review because of AA too. (sarcasm)
carmenjonze
QUOTE (JRunRun @ Aug 21 2008, 11:20 PM) *
That's the affirmative action these 'elitist' have known for years... It's all about who you know. I'm sure Obama headed the Harvard Law Review because of AA too. (sarcasm)


Eh, anything we have, we stole. It's the only way we acquire anything, see.

Our educations, jobs, suburban dwellings, Swedish cars, better-looking spouses and kids are no different rolleyes.gif laugh.gif
JRunRun
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 21 2008, 11:28 PM) *
Eh, anything we have, we stole. It's the only way we acquire anything, see.

Our educations, jobs, suburban dwellings, Swedish cars, better-looking spouses and kids are no different rolleyes.gif laugh.gif


hahaha... Rush knows the truth. His job is to manipulate the masses. He's quite effective at it unfortunately. Anything they fail at they look to outsource the blame.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (JRunRun @ Aug 21 2008, 11:41 PM) *
hahaha... Rush knows the truth. His job is to manipulate the masses. He's quite effective at it unfortunately. Anything they fail at they look to outsource the blame.


Sadly, I predict that it's going to work.

But it's Obama who's "playing the Race Card™", though.
SickupandFed
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 22 2008, 02:51 AM) *
Sadly, I predict that it's going to work.

But it's Obama who's "playing the Race Card™", though.



Going after that "inner racist" is all they have. Around here McPathetic has not run one spot in the last 6 or 7 weeks that addresses what he wants to do. It been all smear. And they started the one about the weather underground yesterday.

I know for a fact that one station in town held off running it for 8 hours until they could run it by the lawyers. They were afraid they might be open to a lawsuit because it is all a blatant lie.
bushwa
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 21 2008, 08:53 PM) *
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Just wait till after the convention. Like martsmart says, we ain't seen nothin, yet.



Don't worry. Apparently Obama is taking a pretty tough stand. Check out this thread. If Obama's team or supporters are murdering delegates who MIGHT support Hillary, Rush isn't gonna be around much longer.

JRunRun
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 21 2008, 11:51 PM) *
Sadly, I predict that it's going to work.



I hope it doesn't... That's why I'm hoping for Biden. His loud ass (less irritating than HRC) voice would confront some Repub jargon.


QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 21 2008, 11:51 PM) *
But it's Obama who's "playing the Race Card™", though.


Jajajaj (laughing in spanish) @ the trademark for Race Card. I don't think he's playing it... especially not from "the bottom of the deck." Tell me they didn't get to you too.

carmenjonze
QUOTE (JRunRun @ Aug 22 2008, 12:26 AM) *
I hope it doesn't... That's why I'm hoping for Biden. His loud ass (less irritating than HRC) voice would confront some Repub jargon.




Jajajaj (laughing in spanish) @ the trademark for Race Card. I don't think he's playing it... especially not from "the bottom of the deck." Tell me they didn't get to you too.


No, that was sarcasm.

Conservatives invented the Race Card.
JRunRun
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 22 2008, 12:30 AM) *
No, that was sarcasm.

Conservatives invented the Race Card.



You had me worried for a sec.
Hammerhead
Discussing Obama, Limbaugh suggests Dems, media believe "you can't criticize the little black man-child"

http://mediamatters.org/items/200808200009?f=h_clips
Seeker1
QUOTE (JRunRun @ Aug 22 2008, 02:20 AM) *
That's the affirmative action these 'elitist' have known for years...


Bush, the C- student, got into Yale because his grandfather and other family members had gone there... he's a "legacy".

Or, as might be more properly termed, affirmative action for dumb WASPs.


rowdyroddypiper
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Aug 22 2008, 07:59 AM) *
Bush, the C- student, got into Yale because his grandfather and other family members had gone there... he's a "legacy".

Or, as might be more properly termed, affirmative action for dumb WASPs.


can i ask what many will probably call a dumb question? wouldnt affirmative action better serve if it was based on class?

i know im off topic, but have often wondered.
toreyj01
QUOTE (SickupandFed @ Aug 22 2008, 12:49 AM) *
Well she said it in the one when They tried to do the hatchet job on Obama. It was first a question to lay a trap for him, and when they brought it to her, she said without hesitation that she would end it.


I remember because my jaw dropped to the floor. AA's biggest beneficiary group is white women.

How's that for standing up for her voters. laugh.gif


http://clinton.senate.gov/~clinton/news/2003/2003623932.html

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I am pleased that the Supreme Court today upheld the principles behind affirmative action, holding in both Grutter v. Bollinger and Gratz v. Bollinger that diversity in higher education is a compelling state interest that can justify the use of race in university admissions. In Grutter, the Court noted the benefits of diversity "are not theoretical but real," not only for the benefit of all students in higher education, but also to ensure the success of American corporations in an increasingly global marketplace and the strength of our military.


http://www.ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

Affirmative Action
Equal pay is not yet equal. (Jan 2008)
Compiled "Handbook on Legal Rights for Arkansas Women". (Nov 2007)
Hillary wanted Bill's cabinet to "Look Like America". (Oct 2007)
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA. (Jun 2007)
First chair of ABA Commission on Women and the Profession. (Aug 1999)
Raised issues of gender compensation gap at 1970s Rose Law. (Nov 1997)

Here is the debate question and both candidates responses:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWD1HEYh6YM


YOU ARE WRONG.

Have a nice day. smile.gif
Seeker1
QUOTE (rowdyroddypiper @ Aug 22 2008, 09:13 AM) *
can i ask what many will probably call a dumb question? wouldnt affirmative action better serve if it was based on class?

i know im off topic, but have often wondered.


Interestingly enough, Obama has mused about that very same question.

Suffice to say, there are interesting arguments for class-based affirmative action, but it won't work (to end racial discrimination and promote diversity) if based on class alone.

Secondly, as has been pointed out, women are beneficiaries of affirmative action too (see Title IX), and class-based programs certainly won't address gender discrimination.

BTW, the third target group affirmative action benefits is the disabled, handicapped, and elderly (see ADA), and there, for certain, class-based programs won't have much effect.

Bonus history question for you roddy -- who first used the words "affirmative action" and in what context? (I ask this because it helps clarify what affirmative action really is, versus what conservatives claim it does.)






Dan-From-LA
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Aug 22 2008, 08:28 AM) *
Interestingly enough, Obama has mused about that very same question.

Suffice to say, there are interesting arguments for class-based affirmative action, but it won't work (to end racial discrimination and promote diversity) if based on class alone.

Secondly, as has been pointed out, women are beneficiaries of affirmative action too (see Title IX), and class-based programs certainly won't address gender discrimination.

BTW, the third target group affirmative action benefits is the disabled, handicapped, and elderly (see ADA), and there, for certain, class-based programs won't have much effect.

Bonus history question for you roddy -- who first used the words "affirmative action" and in what context? (I ask this because it helps clarify what affirmative action really is, versus what conservatives claim it does.)



I know the answer to the bonus question. I'll give a hint. His wife wore pill box hats and lots of Givenchy.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Dan-From-LA @ Aug 22 2008, 06:34 AM) *
I know the answer to the bonus question. I'll give a hint. His wife wore pill box hats and lots of Givenchy.


Humphrey Bogart?
rowdyroddypiper
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Aug 22 2008, 08:28 AM) *
Interestingly enough, Obama has mused about that very same question.

Suffice to say, there are interesting arguments for class-based affirmative action, but it won't work (to end racial discrimination and promote diversity) if based on class alone.

Secondly, as has been pointed out, women are beneficiaries of affirmative action too (see Title IX), and class-based programs certainly won't address gender discrimination.

BTW, the third target group affirmative action benefits is the disabled, handicapped, and elderly (see ADA), and there, for certain, class-based programs won't have much effect.

Bonus history question for you roddy -- who first used the words "affirmative action" and in what context? (I ask this because it helps clarify what affirmative action really is, versus what conservatives claim it does.)


i started other thread, as to not sidetrack this one.
Ishmael
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Aug 22 2008, 06:59 AM) *
Bush, the C- student, got into Yale because his grandfather and other family members had gone there... he's a "legacy".

Or, as might be more properly termed, affirmative action for dumb WASPs.


And he was Skull and Bone's version of Flounder and Niedermeyer all rolled into one.
Dessalines
QUOTE (Seeker1 @ Aug 22 2008, 09:28 AM) *
Secondly, as has been pointed out, women are beneficiaries of affirmative action too (see Title IX), and class-based programs certainly won't address gender discrimination.

Thus enriching entire households including males.


SickupandFed
QUOTE (toreyj01 @ Aug 22 2008, 09:15 AM) *
http://clinton.senate.gov/~clinton/news/2003/2003623932.html



http://www.ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

Affirmative Action
Equal pay is not yet equal. (Jan 2008)
Compiled "Handbook on Legal Rights for Arkansas Women". (Nov 2007)
Hillary wanted Bill's cabinet to "Look Like America". (Oct 2007)
1988: Instituted gender diversity Report Card within ABA. (Jun 2007)
First chair of ABA Commission on Women and the Profession. (Aug 1999)
Raised issues of gender compensation gap at 1970s Rose Law. (Nov 1997)

Here is the debate question and both candidates responses:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWD1HEYh6YM


YOU ARE WRONG.

Have a nice day. smile.gif



Possibly. I seem to remember it differently. need to review them. But if I am wrong You will be the first to know.

Is that clip from the debate where she seemed really frazzled and defensive through the first half? There were so damn many of them it's confusing sometimes.
toreyj01
QUOTE (SickupandFed @ Aug 22 2008, 03:53 PM) *
Possibly. I seem to remember it differently. need to review them. But if I am wrong You will be the first to know.

Is that clip from the debate where she seemed really frazzled and defensive through the first half? There were so damn many of them it's confusing sometimes.


Back in those days most Obama supporters could have heard HRC say "Its a sunny day" and have it come out "Satan is my golfing buddy", so I don't really blame yah.

But yeah, its the exact same debate you were referencing. She's more into this than Obama, if you notice.
Randys
QUOTE (toreyj01 @ Aug 22 2008, 01:32 PM) *
Back in those days most Obama supporters could have heard HRC say "Its a sunny day" and have it come out "Satan is my golfing buddy", so I don't really blame yah.

laugh.gif laugh.gif
ianshickle
Do ya think the Clintons making a mess of this, or are they just driving up TV/RADIO ratings and Voter turnout?

SickupandFed
QUOTE (toreyj01 @ Aug 22 2008, 04:32 PM) *
Back in those days most Obama supporters could have heard HRC say "Its a sunny day" and have it come out "Satan is my golfing buddy", so I don't really blame yah.

But yeah, its the exact same debate you were referencing. She's more into this than Obama, if you notice.


Did her head spin around?


That's funny! You should do stand up. laugh.gif
toreyj01
QUOTE (ianshickle @ Aug 22 2008, 04:55 PM) *
Do ya think the Clintons making a mess of this, or are they just driving up TV/RADIO ratings and Voter turnout?



B.
Tabula-rosa
Every picture tells a story, & this is worth @ least 1000 words.

Nice toon ianshickle.
ianshickle
QUOTE (Tabula-rosa @ Aug 22 2008, 02:31 PM) *
Every picture tells a story, & this is worth @ least 1000 words.

Nice toon ianshickle.


Why... Thank You!

Thank friggin' Gawd its Friday too...
JRunRun
QUOTE (rowdyroddypiper @ Aug 22 2008, 06:13 AM) *
can i ask what many will probably call a dumb question? wouldnt affirmative action better serve if it was based on class?

i know im off topic, but have often wondered.



There are different criteria... including economic disadvantage.... But my understanding is that AA is typically to repair disparities due to historical disadvantage (not necessarily without merits) But I agree... there should be more ways to increase the ability for citizens to make it out of poverty and lower classes...
Hardball
QUOTE (SickupandFed @ Aug 22 2008, 12:02 AM) *
This isn't the first AA bs.gif that I've heard. He supposedly got into Harvard because of AA. Michelle was special ed. and got in because of AA and took his scholarship. blahblah.gif

The guy I got that from was mad because he couldn't get in, and had to pay to go to a school that offered me a scholarship, that I turned down.


Didn't GWB get into Harvard with some kind of Rich White Guy form of Affirmative Action?
carmenjonze
QUOTE (Hardball @ Aug 22 2008, 06:57 PM) *
Didn't GWB get into Harvard with some kind of Rich White Guy form of Affirmative Action?


Not sure.

Was he a legacy admit there too, like he was for POTUS?
Dessalines
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 22 2008, 01:22 AM) *
The women certainly do. Many just pretend like they don't.


Evidently many white women do not realize that they are the largest benefactors of affirmative action according to the labor department. I guess the opponents of affirmative action were smart of enough to put a black face on it so it would automatically be viewed as bad.
jewellthief
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 22 2008, 12:08 AM) *
What I've been saying is, it's been bubbling up until now, especially with all the "they're just voting for him becuz he's blk" b.s.

bs is right... everytime I hear that call of the stupid, i have to laugh... if that were the case here in OHIO, Ted Strickland wouldn't have won the governorship running away.... laugh.gif

u know you're a wackazz candidate if you CONCEDE DEFEAT 10 MINUTES AFTER THE POLLS CLOSED!!! rofl.gif rofl.gif rofl.gif rofl.gif
fla1sun
QUOTE (carmenjonze @ Aug 22 2008, 01:51 AM) *
Sadly, I predict that it's going to work.

But it's Obama who's "playing the Race Card™", though.



Not if the distraction doesn't work. If he manages to distract people from the campaign and turn the topic to race relations, or agitate conflict, the campaign suffers and he will have accomplished his goal.
carmenjonze
QUOTE (fla1sun @ Aug 25 2008, 07:23 PM) *
Not if the distraction doesn't work. If he manages to distract people from the campaign and turn the topic to race relations, or agitate conflict, the campaign suffers and he will have accomplished his goal.


That was a sarcastic remark. I should have included the smilie.
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